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Ahmed_2007_Cool Monday, April 04, 2011 07:18 PM

Is the scientific theory of evolution true?
 
The scientists of the world are almost unanimous on the issue of evolution. Even the Catholic church has finally accepted that species change, adapt, transform through natural selection, mutation, etc.

How ethical is it for clerics with little or no understanding of science, biology and the theory of evolution to ask their followers to dismiss it?

Lastly, evolution does not necessarily infer atheism much in the same way as the water-cycle does not infer the absence of God.

Nauman Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:42 AM

Evolution theory is a total farce and fanciful imagination.

Many verses from Holy Quran negate it.

For complete picture, read "The Evolution Deceit" by Harun Yahya. Soft copy of the book is available on Harun Yahya's site.

mhmmdkashif Monday, July 30, 2012 08:31 AM

[QUOTE=Nauman;286501]Evolution theory is a total farce and fanciful imagination.

Many verses from Holy Quran negate it.

For complete picture, read "The Evolution Deceit" by Harun Yahya. Soft copy of the book is available on Harun Yahya's site.[/QUOTE]

Haroon Yahya refutes the Theory of Evolution because it has turned into a baseline for political ideologies promoting racism, atheism and materialism, I think; however he cannot scientifically refute the occurrence of evolution and species changing forms under the process of natural selection. There is at least one verse in Quran which hints it might have occured with the command of Allah (SWT) setting its course of natural selection:

[SIZE="4"]وإذ قال ربك للملائكة إني جاعل في الأرض خليفة قالوا أتجعل فيها من يفسد فيها ويسفك الدماء ونحن نسبح بحمدك ونقدس لك قال إني أعلم ما لا تعلمون
اور (وہ وقت یاد کرنے کے قابل ہے) جب تمہارے پروردگار نے فرشتوں سے فرمایا کہ میں زمین میں (اپنا) نائب بنانے والا ہوں۔ انہوں نے کہا۔ کیا تُو اس میں ایسے شخص کو نائب بنانا چاہتا ہے جو خرابیاں کرے اور کشت وخون کرتا پھرے اور ہم تیری تعریف کے ساتھ تسبیح وتقدیس کرتے رہتے ہیں۔ (خدا نے) فرمایا میں وہ باتیں جانتا ہوں جو تم نہیں جانتے[/SIZE] (Al-Baqarah-30)

This verse clearly hints that life was present on earth and angels were very well aware of its nature, and Allah (SWT) willed to create a vicegerent amongst it. Wallah o aalamo bis sawab.

desertrain Monday, July 30, 2012 04:12 PM

Muhammadkashif - where is the hint about 'Evolution' in this verse ?


And next thing, suppose evolutioary process is true. Then why are men not changing into some other kind ? Or the creatures surrounding us , why are they the same ? Men has been living here from million of years and yet he is the same as was before.
Has evolutionary process stopped now ?
Or is it that we are too insentive to notice it ?

mhmmdkashif Tuesday, July 31, 2012 03:47 AM

[QUOTE=desertrain;460140]Muhammadkashif - where is the hint about 'Evolution' in this verse ?


And next thing, suppose evolutioary process is true. Then why are men not changing into some other kind ? Or the creatures surrounding us , why are they the same ? Men has been living here from million of years and yet he is the same as was before.
Has evolutionary process stopped now ?
Or is it that we are too insentive to notice it ?[/QUOTE]

The hint is it points to something different than what is our common theological and philosophical understanding of creation. Common belief in this regard is Allah (SWT) created Adam and Eve and consequently (because of their sin) sent them to earth. This might have happened some 6000-10000 years ago (as suggested by historical and archaeological records of modern human's activities on earth), but if life was already present on earth for millions of years then how did Allah (SWT) adjust His new creation in the world?? Theologically and philosophically you can establish it in many ways (as a miracle, like they were under continuous divine protection or something) but you cannot put it scientifically unless you come up with a plausible theory supported by evidence of observed phenomenon. Moreover 3 times in Quran Allah (SWT) mentions condemning cursed people to become apes, it shows a relationship between apes and humans :dd:

ولقد علمتم الذين اعتدوا منكم في السبت فقلنا لهم كونوا قردة خاسئين
And you had already known about those who transgressed among you concerning the sabbath, and We said to them, "Be apes, despised." (Al-Baqarah, 65)

قل هل أنبئكم بشرّ من ذلك مثوبة عند الله من لعنه الله وغضب عليه وجعل منهم القردة والخنازير وعبد الطاغوت أولئك شر مكانا وأضل عن سواء السبيل
Say, "Shall I inform you of [what is] worse than that as penalty from Allah ? [It is that of] those whom Allah has cursed and with whom He became angry and made of them apes and pigs and slaves of Taghut. Those are worse in position and further astray from the sound way." (Al-Ma'idah, 60)

فلما عتوا عن ما نهوا عنه قلنا لهم كونوا قردة خاسئين
So when they were insolent about that which they had been forbidden, We said to them, "Be apes, despised." (Al-A'raf, 166)


Theological understanding of these revelations is cursed people were defaced into becoming apes, but it is a scientific marvel which Allah (SWT) has mentioned in His own holy words I could say. Evolution is now an observed phenomenon and scientifically established fact, genetic mutation is a proof of it occurring and its understanding is even applied in biological and medical sciences (for example in creating antibiotics for increasingly resisting infectious bacteria, treatment of cancer etc). Fossil record shows that life has existed on earth for millions of years while historical records of human activities can be traced back only to a few thousand years. During the entire time of life on earth, many species became extinct and many new species were born. Some species of great apes (like Neanderthals, an extinct homo erectus species closely relating to homo sapiens). Evolution has been occurring in every life form for millions of years, but it takes more than a human life time to actually notice it in large multicellular organisms because it is a very slow process, however it is noticed in bacteria and other micro organisms. Some other religious dogmas hint change in human forms over long periods of times (like people during Hazrat Nooh (AS)'s period were of a different stature than ours and lived for hundreds of years, seems highly improbable these days).

However it is the theory of natural selection that is bone of contention between rationalists and theologians, it describes survival instincts (or something like that :D) causes organisms to adopt evolutionary changes and reproduce with them but that does not describe accurately how humans came into being from apes (or whether not from apes at all). Evolutionary process is very slow and not easy to observe during life time of even a few generations of humans, rest aside a person. It does not describe how life originated on earth, what is the source of information contained in DNA which is the basis of life, these missing links are called gaps. It is highly plausible that Allah (SWT) is the prime mover and cause of everything, however rationalists (mainly scientists) of non-belief take atheistic notions that natural selection is due to survival mechanisms of living organisms (survival of the fittest) and God does not intervene to direct the course of natural selection. Such stances then make it an epitome of many irreligious political movements that promote racism, atheism and materialism. That is chief reason why many sane theologians of all faiths do not scientifically contend evolution, however they are vary of natural selection theory. As muslims our belief is that Allah (SWT) is the Creator and He 'causes' everything that happens around us, but since these dogmas can be understood theologically and philosophically but are not possible to be demonstrated empirically as how Allah (SWT) causes it, scientifically it is better either to adjust with existing scientific theories or bring forth new ones backed by evidence. It has become a religious duty of muslims to make progress in science now, simple theological descriptions, leaps of faith and mythological tales are not sufficient and make our very beliefs a subject of ridicule. Religions (all of them, not particularly Islam) are increasingly under attack by scientific progress. To save our religion, we need to adopt a more rational standing and seek scientific advancement in a theological direction.

roijen Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:08 PM

@ KASHIF

:dd

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i think that there is a change in thinking perspective. science believes in making hidden things revealed but God doesnt have such an intention. He explains everything and everything is already evident in his plan. His plan is perfect. :) So why question?

mhmmdkashif Tuesday, July 31, 2012 04:21 PM

[QUOTE=roijen;460513]
i think that there is a change in thinking perspective. science believes in making hidden things revealed but God doesnt have such an intention. He explains everything and everything is already evident in his plan. His plan is perfect. :) So why question?[/QUOTE]

Ofcourse He has mentioned it Himself in Quran that He is the best Planner of all :). His plan is absolutely perfect, His laws are flawless, and these rationalists are irrationals themselves :).

desertrain Wednesday, August 01, 2012 07:11 AM

Muhammadkashif- What if tomorrow science proves that 'theory of evolution' is inaccurate ?
Would you again start conforming Quranic ayat to the new held idea of science ?

By the way , why we muslims always try to compare Quranic verses with those of scientific theories , and start 'deliberately fitting in' the quranic revelations with the newly held scientific ideas ?

Brother , it cant be denied that Muslims as well need a scientific approach towards all phenomenal activities that happens around but beleiving in crap which suggests that our ancestors once were animals ? No way!!
They might have had the lineage that traces back to the family of Monkeys but Ours is Not.
And 'Quran and Islam' are Much clear about it !!
Quran clearly distinguishes Human from those of Animals and we have been declared as the most superior among all living creatures.
The Creation of Insan , the clay the main element from which the human body was created , was collected by angels themselves.
The soul that he (S.W.T) blew into human body was the most sacred one.
Adam and Eve , they had their physical existence in heavens and then they ( their real existence) were sent down on earth.

Where has it been mentioned that their souls were sent down ? Or blew into some other creature's body whose fathers ( parents) were something else? Or where has it been mentioned that Adam and eve had some parents aswell ?

When Allah says we have created everything in Pairs , what does that mean ? Everything had been created independtly.

When he says ' be' and it 'becomes' .. What does that mean ? Things comes to their existence at the mean time.
And we are the creation of the same word.

You referred the story of people that were transformed into Apes ( as a punishment)
kindly tell me how long it took for them to transform into apes ? Was it an evolutionary process that took millions of years in transformation ? Or was it the word 'Kun' that caused them to become apes in seconds? ( dont compare that with Evolution - it was totally a different thing)
Moreover, it was transformation from Humans to animals and not vice versa.

You said that the earth must have been a dwelling place for some other creature before humans , so according to My little knowledge , that creature were jinns. And , u must be knowing as well that jins got on earth years before Insan.

The plants, fruits , water , infact everything on earth was spreaded for Humans and had been mentioned several times distinctly.

When Nothing is Mentioned in Quran about Evolution , and nowhere , the existence of animals, or anything before adam and eve ( except the creation of earth) has been revealed. Then why do we add things by our own just to prove that the Quran is in total conformity with science? When nothing in reality exists abt that thing.
When Allah didnt mention 'anything' before human (Except angels and Jinns) then this means nothing existed. And , I am clear about it .. No matter what does science says !!

mfaizanattique Wednesday, August 01, 2012 10:56 AM

Asalam mo alikum,
The theory of evolution says that a "uni-cellular organism is evolved into a multi-cellular organism" and hence we have the today's Homo erectus as base for modern Human being. But the truth in the Quran, it is clearly Mentioned Via ref to Tafseer by Ibn Khatir that its was not Monkey that evolved into a human but a Man was transformed into a Monkey. As far the theory goes [There is more that meets the eye] : Darwin suggested the theory that in order for the development of a newer and more intelligent species the existing species needs to be Destroyed hence the adaptation of Nazi Agenda and the New World Order! came into existence. Their hasn't been a single prove that the humans where evolved from the monkeys, but there is a reference from Quran that Man and all the animals where created from One single type of water in [Surah Noor].

My question to Evolutionist or atheist is that if human where evolved from monkeys then why they monkeys are still monkeys?

babaralimemon Thursday, August 02, 2012 12:34 AM

[QUOTE=mfaizanattique;460939]Asalam mo alikum,
The theory of evolution says that a "uni-cellular organism is evolved into a multi-cellular organism" and hence we have the today's Homo erectus as base for modern Human being. But the truth in the Quran, it is clearly Mentioned Via ref to Tafseer by Ibn Khatir that its was not Monkey that evolved into a human but a Man was transformed into a Monkey. As far the theory goes [There is more that meets the eye] : Darwin suggested the theory that in order for the development of a newer and more intelligent species the existing species needs to be Destroyed hence the adaptation of Nazi Agenda and the New World Order! came into existence. Their hasn't been a single prove that the humans where evolved from the monkeys, but there is a reference from Quran that Man and all the animals where created from One single type of water in [Surah Noor].

My question to Evolutionist or atheist is that if human where evolved from monkeys then why they monkeys are still monkeys?[/QUOTE]
actually i want to ask about evolution . the point which usually people raise about evolution is that, the men were initially monkeys.. if there is a evolution in monkeys and all monkey were converted in to men then why other monkeys are still surviving???


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