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You are always right
The basic question arises here that why our feudal leaders and shakky govt as well as Agencies choose to play all stuff on pakistan soil.This is right that we may be gaining through it, in different forms like dollars,loyalty,character certificate from yes boss america etc,,,but is it not possible to replace pakistan's territory with india etc....surely NO NO...If india etc are not letting this chaos to happen on their soils,,why we are too much puzzle to forget all boundaries of humanity and leave the innocent trible ppl on the mercy of wicked americans,,,,
We as a nation and individuals one day will have to apper in front of ALLAH on the day of judgement.what will be our stance for letting wicked american to target our innocent ppl before allah.. aor kes mou se allah ko jawab denge,,,ke hmm es mulk ke rullers and citizens the, pher hmm ne es mulk ke ghareeb aor lachar logo ko kuffaar aor zalemeen ke raham wo karam pher choar deye the..... we should think of our own nation rather for yes boss interest, and speciall for our innocent ppl dying day by day in suicide blast,drone missiles etc.. We have alot of natural resources,but it to be explored and polish.we are doing nothing with our resources and that much idle that inviting other ppl for its utilization and explorations...Hmm kese nation hain keh etnee umer main aik DAM na bana sake,,,,,very shamfull |
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Out of those four wars, we initiated three (1948, 1965, 1999) and technically, our bombing of camps within Indian territory started the 1971 war, too. Oh and we've also lost all those four wars incidentally. And your paranoia doesn't end there. "Israel is doing everything to destabilize Pakistan". lol.. Why would Israel want to destabilize Pakistan? If the Zionist lobby really does want Pakistan to sink, it'll simply ask the US senate to stop filling our begging bowl - without US aid, Pakistan will sink on its own. What evidence do you have that Israel is trying to destabilize Pakistan? Lastly, we're the ones who have a first-use nuclear policy. India's nuclear policy is based on the concept of massive punitive retaliation (retaliation being the key word here).
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Indian threat is no paranoia. Ill show you why. • They have a hand behind Balochistan insurgency. • They are over-spread in Afghanistan( this is what happens when you ditch strategic depth) • they refuse to talk over Kashmir • they have atleast 17 nuclear missiles ready to be blown off towards Pakistani cities • they have broken off your country once in 1971 • they are sponsoring and aiding TTP outfit inside Pakistan • they were most probably behind the Mehran base attack (owing to pattern) • they lobby vehemently against Pakistan at Washington (what do you think people like Deepak Chopra are doing there or the fact that Thomas Friedman, a bitter New York Times critic of Pakistan told the Pakistani-Americans to pay him high enough to write in favor of Pakistan. Having insufficient funds, the Pakistani lost to the Indians) • they bad-mouth you in the UN trying to play against you through resolutions, attempts at us being termed a terrorist state. • their media constantly engages in a hate propaganda against Pakistan • and their common man spews venom for Pakistan too. Does the above still look like ‘paranoia’ to you? Before making sweeping judgments, you need to understand the cause behind all these wars. Its Kashmir. You know that basic thing.If we don’t have Kashmir, India will starve us down in near future. The main issue is not ‘faux honor’. It’s the rivers that flow down from Indian Kashmir. And all fears are turning true because now India is busy constructing the Kishanganga dam that seeks to divert our waters for their purpose. Experts say that our next war with India will most certainly be on water. This is why we are busy negotiating terms with India, that I at least don’t see materializing any way. If India succeeds in doing this, it means a level 5 disaster for a primarily agro-based economy. And this is why, a stalwart like Jinnah, and another one like ZAB understood its importance and both yearned to fight for this territory. And you expect me to find some ‘Ahmed_cool’s’ advice more credible? 1948 started because India sent in its troops to Kashmir through deception and hence, illegally. What would you have Pakistan under Jinnah do? Sit back tight? Or fight back for a right that in principle belonged to Pakistan due to Kashmir’s majority muslim population. If you go with the accession principle of “ruler of princely state deciding whom to accede to” then why didn’t India follow this principle in Hyderabad and Junagarh? And if it didn’t, then Pakistan had the right to gain hold of Kashmir. This fact was acknowledged in the UN, after which a UN resolution to conduct a plebiscite there was passed. Conveniently, India never succumbed to it for obvious humiliating reasons. 1965 and Kargil war were again attempts to wrestle with a much bigger enemy that is a looming threat. Risks have to be undertaken when the consequences are dire. Youre delusional about the 1971 war too. India had amassed its troops all along the E. Pakistan border, preparing to engage Pakistan army inside its territory on a minute excuse given the volatile situation of the region (only waiting for winters enough to block off any Chinese intervention from north). Pak army had to make a pre-emptive strike in order to gain an element of surprise that a defensive stance would not have yielded. I don’t understand when our ignorant lot says, “We didn’t WIN any of those wars”. It’s a case of verbal vomit, I swear. In 3 out of these 4 wars, there stands no concept of victory on either side. Repeat. RESULT WAS INCONCLUSIVE ON EITHER SIDE. And in warfare, even if ONE side has a 5% upper edge, it decides the outcome in that country’s favor-India did not have that benefit, hence a CEASEFIRE requested by it ¾ of the time (1948, 1965 and 1999)! And in 3 out of these 4 wars, Pakistan gained an edge and defended its frontiers well. 1971 was our only real defeat. Mourn only that. And while you do that, do not forget the unequal treatment meted out to Pakistan in this conflict. India was being armed all along while Pakistan wasn’t. We could send in only 50 planes to India in 1971, because we didn’t have enough planes (more were promised but never arrived). Then about Israel. You need some briefing dude. Israel is a country that since 1992 has aided, supported, trained, equipped our deadliest foe- India. Previously, they were literally ENEMIES. India and Israel. What normal relation do you see here? They are miles apart, and apart from Pakistan have no other common ground. If you say Israel is only getting on the Indian bandwagon for its massive trade benefits, then it would’ve simply stopped at that. But no. Their intelligence cooperation goes way back to 1968 (although India hadn’t recognized Israel), and Israel has feared that Pakistan is aiding the Libyans and Iranians, hence (the enemy of my enemy is a friend). They have had military trade worth $23 billion (mostly Israel supplying India with arms and equipment that has done huge harm to the balance of power in South-Asia). Further, Israeli leadership has gone on record to show its dislike for Pakistan. Its FM considered Pakistan a bigger threat than Afghanistan. Pakistan has a list of weapons systems that it wants to buy from US, France and Canada. Israeli lobby, alongwith Indians, continue to oppose this. And the icing is this- Israel had planned to attack Pakistani nuclear facilities in 1980, not unlike, its successful attack on Iraqi nuclear arsenal. However, the ISI got news of this and in turn alerted the PAF. IDF backed off for the time being. Later, when it began a healthy relationship with India, India was wary of such a plan as it could trigger a nuclear war in the region. And from here, you can get an answer to our anti- “no first use policy’. This policy is integral because India of course wont attack us first, but what would you do if Israel or US attacks us? We don’t have missiles that reach US and very few that can reach Israel. How will we create our bulwarks? India, then, will serve as our guinea pig. Despite all this, outwardly, Israel has always wanted to establish good relations with Pakistan. And perhaps I feel, we could have agreed to their offer early in our history- but with a double game policy- not unlike what US is doing to Pakistan today. Its too late now to recognize Israel- it wont pay us well. And yeah, about Israeli lobby shutting off aid to us- it already does so through IMF, World bank and through constricted deals like Kerry-Luger Bill. By the way, 80% of the aid that US merely promised to us-never reached us. During Afghan war they promised us $ 4 billion in 1987 that never made way to Pak because the war was over by 1988. Post 9/11, we never received some $10 billion out of $18 billion promised to us. Are you still in doubt that the Israeli lobby runs America? Then try venturing out of your dreamland. |
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for the ones in doubt of israelz napak azaim about PAK.
retired leftinent general abdul qayum director military operations 1982 openly admits the fact that isreal after destroying iraqz french made nuclear facility was determined to go after PAKz nuclear facility.three factors prevented tat strike 1.india was reluctant to give israel its air bases for conducting this operation because of its interests and the idea that it will lead to an open war and may result in a counter strike on indian nuclear facility.so basically they were wise enough in not becoming a dummy 2.america at that time due to afghanistan war was not in support of this idea, 3.ISI anticipated this attack before its occurance so much so that abdul qayum(who is now a days a defence analyst) also told that an attack on dummmy kahota plant was also carried out by israel.now thats not what i am syaing thats not what some conspiracy theorist is saying.this is what our leftinent general is saying for the ones who believe that america is not our enemy a leader of PPP/or a renowned journalist(actually i dont remember accurately) reveals his private converstaion with B.B.and according to him when asked from B.B about america our enemy or not?her reply was that if you want a frank answer then yes U.S has decided to do away with PAK and i am a hurdle in their way. official studies of U.S naval war college(not some conspiracy theories center ) should be studied in which probable future outcomes with respect to asia were studied and according to those studies PAK will be no more in 2020 and america will sieze PAKZ nuclear weapons.this is how we are perceived by them.this study is conducted by U.S military strategists(not some conspiracy theorists) and is termed as probable outcomes.this study basically depicts their thinking. the warning given by iran should be considered seriously.
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you r right brother........ but 4th point should be SO CALLED MOLVIES NOT AWAM.............
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It is a new strategy of america that make fight with each other and govern over enemy. America has a fear that muslims are thier enemies not only pakistan. The terrorism and other these kind of incidents are the reasons of that mystery
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We all are enemies of Pakistan. We all are responsible for present deteriorating condition of Pakistan. We select these politicians and we give them a chance to destroy our country. We are ready to stand on the call of these politicians and we never use to stand against corrupt leaders.they are busy in making money through corruption and we are unable to stop them. In next elections we will choose these persons again and then again start this drama that they are corrupt..etc...
Neopleon said "Bad crises in a country are not due to the violence of bad people ,but due to the silence of good people" we are silent and we have no courage to demand our rights...
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Enemy of Pakistan
None is our enemies but our own follies, mistakes and wrong policies and social evils which have almost eroded the social fabrics of our society and edifice of state is crumbling, shivering and likely to fall apart. Solution lies only in implementation of constitution and resolutions of parliament in its true letter and spirit.
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