Originally Posted by ali emraan

practically,no 100% secular state exists on the planet earth.
moreover,the overwhelming ,majority of pakistan cannot tolerate absolute
derision from islam.because in words of the creator of the term "secularism", "george jacob hollioke", the religionless state is called a secular state.and which we cannot become.

as regards to the issue of intolerance,religious bigotry and sectarian violence,.....the problem will further be aggravated by creating a secular state.because this act will create a vacuum and a sort of room for the extremists to launch a more volatile battle against the already troubled and druined people of our country.

So,the need of the time is not secularism but "LIBERALISM" as presented by the last reformer of the world.and which he practically implemented in "the city state of madina" by "the constitution of madina".

And that liberal (not secular) system had safeguarded all the casts,colours ,creeds and religious minorities of MADINA.
and in that "MEESAQ E MADINA" ,the jews and christians were honoured by declaring them "UMMAH" and equal citizens whose honour,life and property had to be equally safeguarded by the islamic state.

Perhaps ,that,s why the founding father of pakistan had said that our ideal model would be "THE CONSTITUTION OF MADINA".

because, Jinnah possessed better grey-matter than current age,s socalled intellactuals who believe in the fallacy that they can achieve absolute peace and tranquility by enforcing a GODLESS system.

Originally Posted by xaara~hussain

Agreed! It should be secular!

Originally Posted by Najam Nawaz Saqib

Islam wants only The Rule of Allah on this land. No one else has any right to establish his rule here. Islamic State of Madina and Fatah Makkah are the biggest examples from the life of our Huzoor Nabi e Akram SAW. Armed campaigns to the areas outside Arab by Khulafa e Rashideen were also to establish the writ of Allah on this land, so there is no question whether the state should be an Islamic or secular as the example of world's most brilliant state can be seen in the era of our Holy Prophet PBUH and Khulafa e Rashideen.. The answer is straight forward the state should be Islamic. Islam has never been implemented in Pakistan so how we can say that an Islamic state produces discrimination. We should remember the three choices given by our Muslim Army to Non Muslims which were: 1) Embrace Islam and become our brothers. 2) Accept Supremacy of Islam and give Jizya. 3) Get ready for battle.
It is clear that Islam does not forces some one to be a Muslim rather it protects his rights by giving him an option to live peacefully according to his own religion in Islamic state but he will have to pay Jizya to Islamic state. This is a bitter pill for our modern scholars.But when Allah has decided who we are to challenge it. Of course a person reciting Kalima and a non believer can never be equal.

Originally Posted by Sociologist PU

But what is happening here.
Hindus of sindh are fleeing to India. The Sikhs of KPK have been pushed out from there areas. The Christhens are murdered by fanatics. The prayer houses of Qadiani are being attacked. Is pakistani state a Secular or islamic ?

Originally Posted by Razzi

dear pakistan hase became a secular state unfortunately because of absense of sense in pakistani public.