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there is no religion of state.If state has its own religion it would be discriminatory against other religions,which is unjust and against the principles of Islam.Kindly comment
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If a state religion is Islam and that state is fulfilling the basic requirement of Islam than there would be no discrimination because Islam provides all fundamental rights to other religions and Islam develops harmony among all religions.
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But what is happening here.
Hindus of sindh are fleeing to India. The Sikhs of KPK have been pushed out from there areas. The Christhens are murdered by fanatics. The prayer houses of Qadiani are being attacked. Is pakistani state a Secular or islamic ?
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If you are at the helm of state office then it would be obligatory on you to treat every citizen on the basis of equality irrespective of his/her religion,caste,color and ethnicity.It is the philosophy of secular state where every one has the right about his religion.If that had been implemented according to the wishes of M.A.Jinnah there might have been some different scenario.moreover secular is not incompatible with Islam.
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and wts "happening in secular India"? If Pakistan should be a secular state then what was the need of having a separate homeland? We would have been living relatively a good and peaceful life in united India under a secular government,for we (muslim) would have been a big minority in united india ( present Pakistani,Indian,Bangladeshi Muslim make a total of around about 60 karor of muslim).Are not we Pakistani because we were Muslims?
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there is no religion of state.If state has its own religion it would be discriminatory against other religions,which is unjust and against the principles of Islam.Kindly comment
Does not need any secular laws as Islamic laws are divine and comprised with all angles. Islam is not only a religion but it is DEEN too. Islam has space for minorities more than the other systems. Revisit the Meesa-q- madina and the last sermon of the holy prophet.
It is another matter that Pakistan established in the name of Islam, but using now a hotch-potch system-mixed up of different ideologies and system. Every system requires ATTITUDE to perform practically. And we lack in implementing Islamic laws. Thus, looking to the western system.

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If a state religion is Islam and that state is fulfilling the basic requirement of Islam than there would be no discrimination because Islam provides all fundamental rights to other religions and Islam develops harmony among all religions.
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But what is happening here.
Hindus of sindh are fleeing to India. The Sikhs of KPK have been pushed out from there areas. The Christhens are murdered by fanatics. The prayer houses of Qadiani are being attacked. Is pakistani state a Secular or islamic ?
In KPK mostly masajids are targetted by terrorists, In Karachi there was a series of killings of ulema hazrat by fanatics.

I have said that Islam is a religion which provides complete security to all other religions. In Pakistan mostly muslims are killed not minorities.

In 638 AD or 628 AD St. Catherine k christians ka aik group Huzoor-e-Pak (Sallallaho Alehi Waa Aalihi Wassallam) ki khidmat mai hazir hoa tha, wo group panah lena chahta tha, Phir Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) aur christians k darmiyan aik agreement hoa tha jis mai Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) ne christians k tamam social aur religious rights ki tahaffuz ki guarantee di thi.
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But what is happening here.
Hindus of sindh are fleeing to India. The Sikhs of KPK have been pushed out from there areas. The Christhens are murdered by fanatics. The prayer houses of Qadiani are being attacked. Is pakistani state a Secular or islamic ?
dear pakistan hase became a secular state unfortunately because of absense of sense in pakistani public.
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There are two angles
1. Either make Pakistan a true islamic state. The best option. But it is not possible apparently keeping in view our politics.
2. Or Make it secular, at least don't indulge name "islamic republic" in our "non islamic" setup. Secularism will ensure that law of land is equal for all. Plus all have their right to religion and their right will be respected. So nothing offensive in being a secular state comparing to pakistan current setup.
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practically,no 100% secular state exists on the planet earth.
moreover,the overwhelming ,majority of pakistan cannot tolerate absolute
derision from islam.because in words of the creator of the term "secularism", "george jacob hollioke", the religionless state is called a secular state.and which we cannot become.

as regards to the issue of intolerance,religious bigotry and sectarian violence,.....the problem will further be aggravated by creating a secular state.because this act will create a vacuum and a sort of room for the extremists to launch a more volatile battle against the already troubled and druined people of our country.

So,the need of the time is not secularism but "LIBERALISM" as presented by the last reformer of the world.and which he practically implemented in "the city state of madina" by "the constitution of madina".

And that liberal (not secular) system had safeguarded all the casts,colours ,creeds and religious minorities of MADINA.
and in that "MEESAQ E MADINA" ,the jews and christians were honoured by declaring them "UMMAH" and equal citizens whose honour,life and property had to be equally safeguarded by the islamic state.

Perhaps ,that,s why the founding father of pakistan had said that our ideal model would be "THE CONSTITUTION OF MADINA".

because, Jinnah possessed better grey-matter than current age,s socalled intellactuals who believe in the fallacy that they can achieve absolute peace and tranquility by enforcing a GODLESS system.
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