Armed forces officer's induction in Civil Service
 

Thousands of Pakistani students ,burn in the midnight oil for passing the CSS exam while already inducted officers in our armed forces without written test get their desired groups through interview.
take a look on the following link and pass your comments :

[url]http://www.fpsc.gov.pk/icms/admin/news/related_links/viva%20voce%20board.pdf[/url]

Question 1: Can an army officer be a good civil servant?

Question 2: What do you think to what extent is it discrimination?

Question 3: Should this quota be abolished?

Regards,

[QUOTE=Waqar Abro;333451]Thousands of Pakistani students ,burn in the midnight oil for passing the CSS exam while already inducted officers in our armed forces without written test get their desired groups through interview.
take a look on the following link and pass your comments :

[URL]http://www.fpsc.gov.pk/icms/admin/news/related_links/viva%20voce%20board.pdf[/URL]

Question 1: Can an army officer be a good civil servant?

Question 2: What do you think to what extent is it discrimination?

Question 3: Should this quota be abolished?[/QUOTE]

[B][U][COLOR="Black"]INJUSTICE INJUSTICE INJUSTICE[/COLOR][/U][/B]
[COLOR="Blue"]
Dear, this is the vivid example of the discrimination. The military is cleary superior here than the civilians. The civilians aspirants endevour years to get into the civil services, but here in our homeland, the rules are only for the poor civilians.
How the 32 candidates were selected for the interview only to join the civil services? What is the criteria of the seletion of the cadets? There is 10% quota for army cadets and oppositely the civilians are not blessed with this type of quota if they are willing to join the military services.
The quota shall be abolished if the FPSC's top brass want to prevail eqaul justice and rule law for the citizens. The above interview also distorts the image of competition concept. Simply, the CSS is not , conceptually, a competitive based examination as it possessess 10% selection quota for the Khaki rulers.
It is my request to all the aspirants to raise their voices on every forum to get their due justice and right. I myself gona write to the chairman. What you gona do my dear members? [/COLOR]

[QUOTE=aariz;333454][B][U][COLOR=Black]INJUSTICE INJUSTICE INJUSTICE[/COLOR][/U][/B]
[COLOR=Blue]
Dear, this is the vivid example of the discrimination. The military is cleary superior here than the civilians. The civilians aspirants endevour years to get into the civil services, but here in our homeland, the rules are only for the poor civilians.
How the 32 candidates were selected for the interview only to join the civil services? What is the criteria of the seletion of the cadets? There is 10% quota for army cadets and oppositely the civilians are not blessed with this type of quota if they are willing to join the military services.
The quota shall be abolished if the FPSC's top brass want to prevail eqaul justice and rule law for the citizens. The above interview also distorts the image of competition concept. Simply, the CSS is not a, conceptually, a competitive based examination as it possessess 10% selection quota for the Khaki rulers.
It is my request to all he aspirants to raise their voices on every forum to get their due justice and right. I myself gona write to the chairman. What you gona do my dear members? [/COLOR][/QUOTE]

There should be collective efforts dear , you and i cant fight against it.
Our slumbering youth has to wake up now.
You have rightly said that this 10% quota system clearly distorts the concept of competition.
When a civilian has to be inducted in army he who faces countless challenges on the contrary when the army officers have to join civil service need not to appear even in written exam. They just appear in Interview and get allocated in top four groups ( PSP ,DMG ,CUSTOMS ,FOREIGN SERVICE).

I am really feeling pity for the high educated class of this country.

[QUOTE=Waqar Abro;333459]There should be collective efforts dear , you and i cant fight against it.
Our slumbering youth has to wake up now.
You have rightly said that this 10% quota system clearly distorts the concept of competition.
When a civilian has to be inducted in army he who faces countless challenges on the contrary when the army officers have to join civil service need not to appear even in written exam. They just appear in Interview and get allocated in top four groups ( PSP ,DMG ,CUSTOMS ,FOREIGN SERVICE).

I am really feeling pity for the high educated class of this country.[/QUOTE]
yeah, you are right the youth must wake up from the deep slumber. There is no measurement tool which can gauge the discrimination level in the prestigious examination. The discrimination sentiments can only be felt from those candidates who pass the written and as well as the interview, but are not allocated in any of the cadres. On the contrary, the FPSC throws the elite posts to the long boot wala's :D The cadets must be thankful to Zia who brought the changes and did injustice witht the civilians.

[B]This is not only injustice but also Incompetence. You don't have to be brilliant now a days to get into civil services, You don't have to work hard either .. Only get physically fit and appear in a simple exam a.k.a ISSB (which is child's play) and then get into civil services exploiting the 10% quota. [/B]

[B]I am with you and everyone else in fight against this and raising our voices against this injustice, The role of ARMY is to defend the borders and not to ESCAPE from the battle field and find a cover in civil services. They don't need to be given backdoors to join the civil services, They are simply not CIVILIANS and civil services are NOT for them If they can't come via the right path just like all other civil servants do.[/B]

Really I'm surprised to know this. Efforts of 32 would be crippled. :(
Armed forces must find a better use in armed forces for those 32 :P or at least they should be given an opportunity to prove themselves in exams so they may know how it feels like.
For a particular assignment, it might be okay but as permanent, how on earth can they do that.... One of the many drawbacks in system.
Yes concerns must be raised.....

[QUOTE=mukt;333463][B]This is not only injustice but also Incompetence. You don't have to be brilliant now a days to get into civil services, You don't have to work hard either .. Only get physically fit and appear in a simple exam a.k.a ISSB (which is child's play) and then get into civil services exploiting the 10% quota. [/B]

[B]I am with you and everyone else in fight against this and raising our voices against this injustice, The role of ARMY is to defend the borders and not to ESCAPE from the battle field and find a cover in civil services. They don't need to be given backdoors to join the civil services, They are simply not CIVILIANS and civil services are NOT for them If they can't come via the right path just like all other civil servants do.[/B][/QUOTE]
I have suggested my younger bro to appear in the ISSB. The purpose would be to join the civil services :D It is the best short cut to get oursleves listed for the interview.
Well..... the aspirants must write in the newspapers and and send letters to the chairman in order to abolish the biased quota. The cadets are welcome if they follow the same procedure that is done by the civilians. @Mukt. Bro, it is easier to send a letter. It will cost Rs. 5. We should also send emails to the admin of the FPSC and protest morally against the injustice.

[QUOTE=aariz;333454][B][U][COLOR="Black"]INJUSTICE INJUSTICE INJUSTICE[/COLOR][/U][/B]
[COLOR="Blue"]
It is my request to all the aspirants to raise their voices on every forum to get their due justice and right. I myself gona write to the chairman. What you gona do my dear members? [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Unfortunately Chairman FPSC can't amend Civil Servant Rules.This is the prerogative of Federal Government ONLY.

[QUOTE=mukt;333463][B] You don't have to work hard either .. Only get physically fit and appear in a simple exam a.k.a ISSB (which is child's play) and then get into civil services exploiting the 10% quota. [/B]

[B]The role of ARMY is to defend the borders and not to ESCAPE from the battle field and find a cover in civil services. They don't need to be given backdoors to join the civil services, They are simply not CIVILIANS and civil services are NOT for them If they can't come via the right path just like all other civil servants do.[/B][/QUOTE]

Rightly said mukt:clap. Atleast the army should leave some space for civilians too to live a luxury like they are living since long long ago. Civil services are for civilians only NOT FOR ARMY:nono.

[QUOTE=Kamran;333467]Unfortunately Chairman FPSC can't amend Civil Servant Rules.This is the prerogative of Federal Government ONLY.[/QUOTE]

We are concerened with the chairman and the curtain from his eyes shall be sided by sending letters, emailing and writing in the print and e-medai. After the aspirants pressure, he and the admin will ask the federal govt to amend the rules.
Regards