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nemat chandio Thursday, July 28, 2011 09:04 PM

Af-Pak-Indo relations
 
EU was and is growing powerful due to England,France and Germany. Keeping in view the role of these states in EU, describe how states of India,Pakistan and Afghanistan play a significant role to counter socio-economic problems within and without.

aariz Wednesday, August 03, 2011 03:41 PM

[QUOTE=nemat chandio;334806]EU was and is growing powerful due to England,France and Germany. Keeping in view the role of these states in EU, describe how states of India,Pakistan and Afghanistan play a significant role to counter socio-economic problems within and without.[/QUOTE]
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[B]How India, Pak and Aghanistan (IPA) can play the role within[/B][/U]

If we have a aerial view on the socio and economic problems of the said countries, we will have this picture:
[B]Afghanistan[/B] is a war torn country and there is no stable political government. After American and NATO withdrawl, there will be again civil war that will also hurt Pakistani borders too.
[B]Pakistan[/B], currently in the vicious cirlce of the foreign powers. The homeland is facing severe external and internal challenges in the shape of terrorism, rocketing inflation and worst law and order situation.
[B]India,[/B] I would say in the civil war too, its eastern borders are chanting slogans for separation. Additionally, though Indian economy growing but New Dehli has many internal issues.
Now coming to the point to counter the socio-eco problems within
[LIST][*]First, peace has to be brought in the war torn region. Furthermore, stable government in Afghanistan and that can be done only by Pakistan and India coz there are some forces inclined towards New Dehli and ISB.[*]Pakisan and India have been enjoying hostility since the creation. The hostility needs to be eliminated. The peaceful solution of Kashmir is the core of the thought. There are others, must be solved such as Siachan, Dams and Sir creek issue and Dam on the Kabul river. Wars and hostility dont bring prosperity. EU nations resolved first all the differences and enmity among them. French people used to spit whenever they spoke a single word of English. Now the former hostile nations have opened the doors for all the members. So my point is that the states gona resolve the first differnences among them.[*]Democracy lies partially in Pakistan. Afganistan is quite away from the people system. Democratic culture needed to be promoted.[*]As far as the power and hegemony concerned, India has supermacy over South Asia. Indian [I]will[/I] is also necessary in this regard.[*]Saarc has to be made effective and efficient. Rahman Malik recently,suggested in Thimpu that Saarc POL be created like InterPOL to counter terrorism and Human trafficking in south Asia.[*]In additon to it, SAFTA, now found in the foreign offices registers only, must be utilized and all the hurdels on the way of the association be removed to promote trade and commerce. We have opened border for Afghan and Indian trade, but India and Pakistan have not started their flights yet. Visa service is also notable in this context.[/LIST]The world is leading towards the regionalism. South Asia cant be EU without the collective efforts of the Saarc countries. Again, I would say peaceful solution of Kashmir is the key for Saarc toward becoming another EU of the world.

Seniors and political analysts are welcome to add more ponits :)

Regards

nemat chandio Wednesday, August 03, 2011 09:02 PM

dear aariz! You described soem of the crucial points but they directly belong to either Political crew or establishment, what is more important and productive is the cultural dimensions; the sides where the real power of the state lies;the public. EU have much more to share culturally rather politically. The three states share much more culturally,this is why they have been put under the burden of terror from each other by an UNKNOWN but well-known force that EXTERNALLY operates them.

aariz Wednesday, August 03, 2011 11:00 PM

[QUOTE=nemat chandio;336480]dear aariz! You described soem of the crucial points but they directly belong to either Political crew or establishment, what is more important and productive is the cultural dimensions; the sides where the real power of the state lies;the public. EU have much more to share culturally rather politically. The three states share much more culturally,this is why they have been put under the burden of terror from each other by an UNKNOWN but well-known force that EXTERNALLY operates them.[/QUOTE]

Dear, actually, politics and economics are the two main parts of the society and hence are also social problems. As far as concerned culture, the three countries enjoy pluralistic and rich culture. Hindu culture is ancient and very rich, and importanly found in different colors across South Asia.
Artist are playing role to bring the nations closer. Indian and Pakistani intellectuals, writers, artist and other professionals are briding the gap of communication b/w the two nations.
But, cultural values from either sides cant play significant role coz Political instituation is stronger than the other institutions. Therefore, again, I would say that the main predicament is the sincere will- that is sincere, dedicated, visionary and honest leadership.

BOKHARI2 Wednesday, August 03, 2011 11:09 PM

IN my opinion firstly Afghanistan,Pakistan,India they must have a trilateral strong relationship without any external influences by Israel,America,and countries of EU.Because these states would not want this region to be stabled and indirectly playing important role to keep these three states any how engaged with terrorism. now over viewing the scenario super powers want to give a vital role to India in Afghanistan which at any cost Pakistan will not allow because PAKISTAN and India are rival ideologically. stable Afghanistan WOULD BE in favor of Pakistan in a way that there would be no influence of India and there would be no other power who will destabilize Pakistan from the afghan border. strong Pakistan can develop a strong Muslim block of Iran turkey Afghanistan Saudi Arab and other states which would make Pakistan strong enough to resolve the Kashmir dispute with India.
Now countries like Israel America will never wish to have a strong block as we have example in case of Bhutto who was hanged for one of the reasons that he gather all the Muslim states at Lahore and had convinced them to create a Islamic bank in Pakistan if this would have happened the socio-economic issues would not have occurred as they are now.

plz comment is any one disagree with me.

aariz Thursday, August 04, 2011 08:28 PM

[QUOTE=BOKHARI2;336514]IN my opinion firstly Afghanistan,Pakistan,India they must have a trilateral strong relationship without any external influences by Israel,America,and countries of EU.Because these states would not want this region to be stabled and indirectly playing important role to keep these three states any how engaged with terrorism. now over viewing the scenario super powers want to give a vital role to India in Afghanistan which at any cost Pakistan will not allow because PAKISTAN and India are rival ideologically. stable Afghanistan WOULD BE in favor of Pakistan in a way that there would be no influence of India and there would be no other power who will destabilize Pakistan from the afghan border. strong Pakistan can develop a strong Muslim block of Iran turkey Afghanistan Saudi Arab and other states which would make Pakistan strong enough to resolve the Kashmir dispute with India.
Now countries like Israel America will never wish to have a strong block as we have example in case of Bhutto who was hanged for one of the reasons that he gather all the Muslim states at Lahore and had convinced them to create a Islamic bank in Pakistan if this would have happened the socio-economic issues would not have occurred as they are now.

plz comment is any one disagree with me.[/QUOTE]

I agree dear, i have raised the dialogue point in the heading of the political stability and SAARC is the already constructed platform for dialogues.

UltimateCSP Saturday, August 06, 2011 05:42 PM

i[COLOR="Purple"][SIZE="3"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"] agree with you Aariz..
Pakistan India and Afghanistan already have platform foe discussion But the core issue is their cultural, ideological and political status differences. To me Pakistan and India can never be at peace with each other unless there is some miracle... and Afghanistan can hardly get rid of its internal conflicts. So no negotiations among them can be successful.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]

nemat chandio Sunday, August 07, 2011 09:22 PM

@UltimateCSP
Dear V shd alwaz hope 4 the best. when rivals like Uncle sam and germany can have talks, y cant India and Pak? This is the sole wish of people of both of the countries.

Nayab Akhtar Sunday, August 07, 2011 11:31 PM

It goes without saying that they should collectively avoid any foreign interventions, must chalk out plans in order to mitigate warfare in Afghanistan, as well as eradicate hatred feelings against each other. Further, by studying the socio-economical condition of these countries with all ear they must follow the treads by promoting the fruitful results of mutual interests.

BOKHARI2 Monday, August 08, 2011 02:01 AM

[QUOTE=aariz;336749]I agree dear, i have raised the dialogue point in the heading of the political stability and SAARC is the already constructed platform for dialogues.[/QUOTE]
dear saarc is a useless forum as far as past meetings are concerned there is zero output from them. and if u go through the manifesto of saarc u will find that since 1985 there isnt any big development or break through achieved. untill the ideological differences are present in pakistan and india peace cant be formed.


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