Agreed.But My point is that all left over vacancies(seats which remain unallocated due to unavailability of qualifiers) should be distributed on open merit bases,so that maximum qualifiers belonging to Punjab,KP,FATA,AJK could be benefited.

Secondly,10% quota of Armed Forces in Civil services should also be abolished.

Totally agreed.

i think letters should be written to concerned departments and personalities including general kiyani to abolish the quota of the army from the civil services.this quota does not make any sense.

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My friends from Punjab, must not forget already Punjabi policy makers had alienated The Bangalies Calling then inept and not suitable for armed forces, and go through the history, how many bureaucrats were form Bangal and how many generals from bangal!

And see, how they reacted, in 1971. plz aspirant from Punjab already u get more than 50% what do u want more! let other provinces breathes.

And Bangalis has proved that they r better, see their economy and ours post 1971 scenario and pre 1971, plz don't open this Pandora' box.

Punjab is already encroaching rights of weaker strata of Punjabi with in Punjab. i

in rule their must be quota for southern Punjab see FPSC syllabus and guidelines, also there use to be 7 % quota for Bahawlpur which done away secretly.

moreover, every year candidates from Punjab get fake domicile of sindh and balochistan, even those who never saw balochistan, is this attitude to save pakistan?

I have been at CSA i personally new candidates who used balochistan's domicile.
if people of balochistan have got guns, y the have because we have made them.

in Sui there is no gas for Baloch but the other day i went Muree their was gas!

this is a federation of different units, essence of federation demand fruit of progress for every part of country.

in india indian govt has opened centers which teach free of cost for IAS to poor indians and for certain parts their is no limit as many attempt they take of IAS, while four for rest of indians.
we have to decide toady, do we need federation or few more seats!

Dear Mr.Safdar,

You are a qualified candidate. It's not your fault that you've not been allocated despite getting through the examination twice. I believe it's the government's failure and utter haplessness that it cannot employ its own talented youth for the betterment of this country at large.

At the same time, I disagree with your idea of abolishing the quota system. Though you have been substantially provided with various arguments by other member in the above posts, I would want you to do a little exercise. Assume yourself as a resident of Balochistan, having studied in virtually non-existent government school. Assume that you could barely make it to the Balochistan University for graduation & then you applied for css. In css, you're faced with peers who had studied in International Standard Schools right from the Kindergarten & graduated from universities of repute (GCU & PU, to name a few), recognized internationally & nationally for their standards in education. He could access number of institutions and professors for preparation of css. These 2 students sit in an examination where their backgrounds, social or academic, is of no significance. If the graduate of GC qualifies the test, i makes no surprise. But, if the BU graduate gets through the same test, that somehow becomes a news!

The difference is before you. You had all the advantages all your life befor you, though you never noticed it. Would you be nice enough to let others have 1 advantage that also after they get through enormous troubles?

Did you really mean it??? Or it was just poop that you throw at everyone?

I seriously doubt you have ever read History of Pakistan!
I doubt your candidature for Civil Services Examination.
I doubt your approach - it's biased, unjust and irrational.

Even the harshest critics of Z.A. Bhutto have admitted on record that he was the only leader with a vision and capacity to deliver, of course after Jinnah.

@ Mods, esp. Hamza Salick

I may request your input on this, please.

Lol! How naive and insane you seem!

For 4 long years, you raised a slogan ~ Parha Likha Punjab Tab Pakistan kyun nahin yaad aaya?

Look at our dual standards. We can't stand up for the challenge and resolve to grab a seat on merit, but we can abuse the system for our own material advantage.

Punjab sacrificed it's less than 2% of NFC share in favour of other provinces in 2010. Can you list what else the Punjab has given to other provinces?
Please don't tell me CM Shahbaz Sharif gave away 10 or 20 trucks of relief goods to rain affected people Sindh.

P.S Reaction, however harsh, is natural against an irrational argument. Therefore, no apologies sought.

For all those favouring abolition of Quota System:

Grow up! Think out of the box. Quota System was introduced by Z.A. Bhutto and he was more patriot than anyone on this forum or otherwise in the country.

If 50% quota is not enough, reduce your population by adopting Population Welfare Measures.

And if you seriously think we should abolish quota system, then let's do it at every stage.

Let's start with money division first. Let's give every province what it earns rather than counting the number of heads every province houses.

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I earnestly believe, so would a rational Pakistani, that quota system has been incorporated for addressing the grievances of downtrodden provinces and of course for strengthening the national unity and persistent inter-provincial harmony, which is the key towards national progress. Any attempt, whatsoever, to abolish the quota system, would lead towards further destabilization of the crippling country.

Regards,

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My friends from Punjab, must not forget already Punjabi policy makers had alienated The Bangalies Calling then inept and not suitable for armed forces, and go through the history, how many bureaucrats were form Bangal and how many generals from bangal!

And see, how they reacted, in 1971. plz aspirant from Punjab already u get more than 50% what do u want more! let other provinces breathes.

And Bangalis has proved that they r better, see their economy and ours post 1971 scenario and pre 1971, plz don't open this Pandora' box.

Punjab is already encroaching rights of weaker strata of Punjabi with in Punjab. i

in rule their must be quota for southern Punjab see FPSC syllabus and guidelines, also there use to be 7 % quota for Bahawlpur which done away secretly.

moreover, every year candidates from Punjab get fake domicile of sindh and balochistan, even those who never saw balochistan, is this attitude to save pakistan?

I have been at CSA i personally new candidates who used balochistan's domicile.
if people of balochistan have got guns, y the have because we have made them.

in Sui there is no gas for Baloch but the other day i went Muree their was gas!

this is a federation of different units, essence of federation demand fruit of progress for every part of country.

in india indian govt has opened centers which teach free of cost for IAS to poor indians and for certain parts their is no limit as many attempt they take of IAS, while four for rest of indians.
we have to decide toady, do we need federation or few more seats!
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Dear in responce to ur curse....i agree with u .but bro my whn we will become pakistanies first regardless the punjabies , balochie, sindhi, pakhtoon and saraike.....apart from abve we must think like a nationalist rather then a paovincialist ........ the solution must be found in such a way that whole pakistan should grow...,,,,plz think like a pakistani first ,,,,

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In my opinion Quota system should not be abolished as through this quota system all provinces get a representation in civil services.
but the one thing which I think should be change is the number of open merit seats in civil services.
open merit should be increased to at least 30% and the rest of allocations should be made on quota system.
and one more thing which i think should be imroved is educational system of Pakistan. there should be same educational system in all provinces. If quota system is to be abolished then 1st of all education standard of all provinces should be same.

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this is not our fault we born in punjab nd u in sindh...we should try to find solution in such a way that unallocated seats must be filled with the potential candidates ......regardless the province.. we, wholly should try to improve our motherland regardless the past mistakes,these mistakes have no room in our future ...suggestions will be warmly welcomed

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I agree with the taimoor,we are lacking in uniform education through out the coutry ..specially in some areas of punjab...Balochistan,rural sindh .....and kpk as well.....we need to establish a good educational system for these areas.. and good plicy makers should be deployed for the betterment

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I feel for you. But I have seen the difference in the people educated from Sindh and those in Punjab. Trust me, they are worlds apart. People of Sindh would rather have copy culture than quality education. In interior Sindh, in a lot of colleges the board papers are solved on board by teachers in the class. What do you suppose would be the quality of these students?

You are right that at least CSS should be open merit, and yes this quota system does lower the standard of CSPs, but don't you think before making this move, the standard of education should be improved? The textbooks in Sindh are substandard compared to those of Punjab. Unjust means are used at EACH AND EVERY step in Board, from the time one gives paper (Bribes), to the computer entry of marks. (I know a guy who paid to get his grades up AFTER the gazette was published.)

If board papers were free from cheating, bribery e.t.c., and education were of quality, then open merit would help everyone. But because it is hard to change the whole system, and people are complacent of copy culture and would resist any change, quota system is something one has to learn to live by. Besides, crooks never become CSPs

(I know someone who was Board Controller in a city of Sindh, and he personally told me of an incident. This one time a board team stayed at a centre for the entire exam. Students weren't able to cheat. At the end of the exam, students lit the team's vehicles on fire!
And this former Board Controller told me "Today, if an external team were to stay in a centre for the entirety of an exam, they would jeopardize their lives". )

Very healthy discussion is going on here. My friends from Sindh and Balochistan have raised same argument again that the education system must be uniform all over the country. I think they have assumed that the education system in Punjab is world class. Well that is not the case.

Second thing is that some one said the share of Punjab is 50% what else is required? I would like to ask versatile Bhutto ( my friend in OMG) that what is the present population of Punjab? Is this 50 % quota commensurate to that population percentage? I dont want quota for Punjab even, there should be open competition.


Further i must say that the number of pass candidates from Punjab are almost 65 % in any CSS exam. For example in 2009 605 Punjab candidates out of 895. In 2010 480 plus from Punjab out of 638. So how can 50 % seats cater to 70 % candidates that passed from Punjab??


I must tell my friends that i also studied in government schools in Punjab and i know the standard of education. When we are talking about federal services then they must be open for all Pakistanis. People from other provinces should not demand quotas. If they come on merit they are most welcome.