India and "Aman Ki Aasha" - Page 2

omarhanif · #11 Thursday, May 24, 2012

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Originally Posted by obaid_gondal

In reply of "the one "

Molvi is not a person , it is an idea ...
All those who preach the idea of hatred and bloodshed are are religious fanatics ...
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Moulvi is a title brother, that was used by muslim public for those among them who had a considerable knowlodege and insight of Islamic principles and teachings. This word held a reverence and respect in it. British were the first to use this word as a sign of disrespect and slowly, the innocent people of the subcontinent started using the word in the same sence.

Since you are talking about the preachers of hate (who, definitely are not ulema's), I believe you should not have used the word moulvi. Religious fanatic is a suitable word, but you know religious fanatics are in all the religions and they live around the globe. Hope you have studied about people like pope John Paul. Shiv Sena and Bajrang Dall are working in our immediate neighbour.

The question here (that still needs to be answered) is that how can we can maintain peace with India, without compromising our national interest.

Regards,

azmatullah · #12 Thursday, May 24, 2012

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Originally Posted by omarhanif

Moulvi is a title brother, that was used by muslim public for those among them who had a considerable knowlodege and insight of Islamic principles and teachings. This word held a reverence and respect in it. British were the first to use this word as a sign of disrespect and slowly, the innocent people of the subcontinent started using the word in the same sence.

Since you are talking about the preachers of hate (who, definitely are not ulema's), I believe you should not have used the word moulvi. Religious fanatic is a suitable word, but you know religious fanatics are in all the religions and they live around the globe. Hope you have studied about people like pope John Paul. Shiv Sena and Bajrang Dall are working in our immediate neighbour.

The question here (that still needs to be answered) is that how can we can maintain peace with India, without compromising our national interest.

Regards,

Thanks Umer bhai,
Maulvi k lughvi meanings hain, jisay Maula ki shanaas ho.
Maula ki nisbat se word maulvi hai,

Aman ki asha, in fact two nation theory k against approach hai.
Jinhen azaadi ghuti me mili, voh kia janen Nazria e Pakistan kia hai.

kamran00 · #13 Thursday, May 24, 2012

Agreed with writer to a extent, All the teachings n orders of Islam are directly from Allah and he's the creator of Mankind n Universe, he knows the best about nature & needs of mankind, There should not be any Mindwork involved in following teachings of Islam come what the situation may because these are valid till the end of this world. We should follow or atleast agree with teachings Blindly otherwise nothing wil left behind except Confussion n misguideness, history is crystal clear wht Happend to Spain in absence of Jihad spirt.Non muslims can never become true friends, they will not lose opertunity to distroy us in any form...! I know its a tipical molvi type thought bt Our deny can't change the way towards success n prosperity! (personal views)

Abdul Q · #14 Thursday, May 24, 2012

Just read the comments of Indian Interior Secretary that they have provided proof against Hafiz Saeed to Pakistan and demanded action but when asked about Samjhota Express Incident he straight forward said it has no link with Mumbai Attacks. And adding insult to injury, that person is appealing for Sarbajit's release...:@

Ye kr rahay hain hm Aman ki asha ki arr main?? Pakistani blood ki koi importance nhi. Importance hai tou hamaray executives n politicians k aqa "India" ki.

Pathetic

omarhanif · #15 Friday, May 25, 2012

You know what Israili Prime Minister Golda Meir had said about her decision of buying arms (during Arab Israil War 1973) despite poor economic conditions?

"After a gap of one decade after the war, a reporter of the Washington Post interviewed Meir, asking "Was the logic you had in your mind for the arms was spur of the moment decision or you had had an advance strategy?"

Meir's reply was very surprising.

She answered, "I got this logic from the prophet (of the Muslims) Mohammed (peace be upon him). When I was a student, my favorite topic was comparative study of religions. Those days I studied the life of Mohammed (PBUH). One author stated that when Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) died, there was not enough money to buy oil for a lamp, his wife (Ayesha Siddiqua[Raziallah-u-ta'ala unha]) mortgaged his battle shield to buy oil, yet there were nine swords hung on the wall of his house.

When I read this account, it occurred to me- how many people in the world would have known about the worst economic condition of Islamic state? But everyone recognizes them as conquerors of half the world. So I decided that I would buy arms at any cost; even if we would have to starve or to live in camps instead of buildings, but we would prove ourselves as the victor".

* This article was not written by any conservative mullah/Taliban but those words of Golda Meir should be an alarming and wake up call for so called enlightened moderates.

This article can be visited at link specified below;
http://www.asiantribune.com/?q=node/11826

Complete article is worth reading ... If you desire, it can be posted here in complete.

Regards.

Invincible · #16 Friday, May 25, 2012

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Originally Posted by omarhanif

I think the author is not asking us to wield the swords. He has made a reference to some Ahadees which none of us can deny.

This is our dilemma as a nation that every every Tom, Dick and Harry is interpreting Islamic verses according to his school of thought to prove his stance right.

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Originally Posted by omarhanif

In fact, as indicated by mano_g, we should prepare our country for worst case scenario.

Come on man, We are nuclear power just to deter any Indian misadventure,Our defense budget is $6,410,000,000; what else can quench your thirst for bloodshed? Do you expect Pakistan to launch an offensive strike?

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Originally Posted by omarhanif

No doubt CBMs are necessary, but you simply cannot trust anyone blindly, especially an enemy who still holds that "India is One and Indivisible". We know the history of tensions between the countries.

No Country puts blinder on her eyes when it comes to make foreign policy.

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Originally Posted by omarhanif

Why do they only talk about trade and commerce? Why do they not talk about water disputes, Kashmir, Siachin, border issues, Junagarh, Manawadar, India intervention in Balochistan, Sindh and KPK?

Crawling towards peace & prosperity is far better than standstill. isn't it?

Let the ice break.

Regards,

sabahatbhutta · #17 Friday, May 25, 2012

I don't know what we as a nation want to achieve???
either we want to achieve real welfare and economic stability or we want to fight for self-proclaimed pride yani GHAIRAT????
Why want to fight on so many fronts????
do our Army comprises of supermen who can fight internally aswel as externally??
keeep a bird's eye view on reality....
developing peace with India is not at all a bad thing but at the same time its foolishness to consider India as our friend, there should be a balance.

omarhanif · #18 Friday, May 25, 2012

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Originally Posted by Invincible

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This is our dilemma as a nation that every every Tom, Dick and Harry is interpreting Islamic verses according to his school of thought to prove his stance right.

Would you please care to interpret those Ahadees in the right way? I am sure you can do it.

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Come on man, We are nuclear power just to deter any Indian misadventure,Our defense budget is $6,410,000,000; what else can quench your thirst for bloodshed? Do you expect Pakistan to launch an offensive strike?

Your being a nuclear power has not prevented India from jeopardizing your national interests, has it? Some issues between both the countries that need to be resolved equitably have already been mentioned in a previous post. India is NOT willing to talk on them please remember that.

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Crawling towards peace & prosperity is far better than standstill. isn't it?

Let the ice break.

Please break the ice, but let it break on both the sides of border.

Regards

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Originally Posted by sabahatbhutta

I don't know what we as a nation want to achieve???
either we want to achieve real welfare and economic stability or we want to fight for self-proclaimed pride yani GHAIRAT????
Why want to fight on so many fronts????
do our Army comprises of supermen who can fight internally aswel as externally??
keeep a bird's eye view on reality....
developing peace with India is not at all a bad thing but at the same time its foolishness to consider India as our friend, there should be a balance.

Yes, balance is the right thing you said.

Abdul Q · #19 Friday, May 25, 2012

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Originally Posted by omarhanif

Yes, balance is the right thing you said.

Balance but not at the cost of our integrity and interests.

Kharif ki kasht ho chuki hai but people are worried k Pani nhi aya, India is building Dams and what we are doing is just so-called negotiation

Invincible · #20 Friday, May 25, 2012

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Originally Posted by omarhanif

Would you please care to interpret those Ahadees in the right way? I am sure you can do it.

This is main responsibility of http://www.cii.gov.pk/ to enlighten us not of any individual who is not even level headed.

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Originally Posted by omarhanif

Your being a nuclear power has not prevented India from jeopardizing your national interests, has it? Some issues between both the countries that need to be resolved equitably have already been mentioned in a previous post. India is NOT willing to talk on them please remember that.

Please break the ice, but let it break on both the sides of border.

Regards

Be pacifist,dude.There is a remedy for everything except death.We should try to make ground for serious 'Dialogue' which will ultimately produce win-win situation for both of neighbors.

Regards,

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Originally Posted by Abdul Q

Kharif ki kasht ho chuki hai but people are worried k Pani nhi aya, India is building Dams and what we are doing is just so-called negotiation

Now we are to blame for this since we are bad managers & have serious capacity issue in our Think Tank. I wonder, if it exists somewhere.