I was amazed after reading about Yugoslavia , the causes of its disintegration and there historical background.
Quite a few similarities with Pakistan

1 )Military dictatorship of tetu and that of pak army.

2 )The monopoly of Serbian elite in state institutions and of Punjabi elite.

3 )Multiple ethnicities crying for autonomy.

4 )The failure of communism in keeping the ethnicities together as of Islamic
ideology struggling in Pakistan.

5 )Disappointment of Serbs claiming that they have sacrificed much for the state and still they are blamed , compare with punjabis.


Your views about any more similarities or differences?
Do you agree?
How can we stop Pakistan from following the same tragic route , as we have already lost DHAKA.

I think your comparison is not correct,not even logical.The reason behind fall of former communist countries, if you correct your history have nothing to do as for Pakistan is concerned.The constituent six Socialist Republics and two Socialist Autonomous Provinces that made up the former Yugoslavia were: SR Bosnia and Herzegovina, SR Croatia, SR Macedonia, SR Montenegro, SR Slovenia and SR Serbia (including the autonomous provinces of Vojvodina and Kosovo which after 1974 were largely equal to the other members of the federation.Now this scheme of federation was mainly due to communism which was widely spreading after world war 2.Not just communist union countries disintegrated in south eastern Europe as Yugoslavia, but in eastern Europe as well as in central Asia ie,Turkmenistan,Azerbaijan,etc also.so reason of fall was due to defects of communism and not vice versa.
As for Pakistan is concerned There is no such thing like communism and how can you even compare Islam with communism? Read the book of American writer Anatol liven "Pakistan a hard country" in which Anatol clearly says that Pakistan is a hard country but not failing country,he gives logical arguments.If you have interest then read the book.
thanks

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your analysis is flawed and the similarities that you are identifying have got nothing to do with Pakistan and as far as i know the reasons that you have come up with are not the actual causes of its disintegration...
i just quash your one statement here for rest of them i don't have enough time...
there is no comparison between communism and Islam as communism is the product of human mind which is flawed while Islamic system is revealed by Almighty ALLAH who has the best knowledge...
i think you better stop watching the corrupt Pakistani media which is inculcating in us that Pakistan is no more and it is on verge of collapse blah blah...

yagoslavia faced the pernicious music owing to the following reasons:

1]the potential backer of repressive regime and the binding force among various nations was COMMUNISM. and after the demise of communism, the binding force perished and the system got disintegrated.

2] the ethnic groups were armed by the regional forces and they trifled .

3] absence of a leader who could unite them paved the way to catastrophe.

4]lack of genuine democratic norms

-------------on the other hand ,PAKISTAN is having the following paradoxial scenario:

a]the binding force is not merely islam but also A SENSE OF FEAR from extremist hindu establishment sitting in INDIA. and which has a track record of unjust endeavours against muslims during PRE-PARTITION era and afterwards(congress ministries, massacre during partition, 4 wars, clergic hindu terrorist organizations who want the obliteration of muslims in sub continent etc). this sense of fear and animosity has yielded some sort of unity among various pockets of our society.

we are relatively united as contrasted with yogoslavians.

b] the violant insurgency in blauchistan is an exception. and it is just confined to SIX(6) districts of blauchistan...the rest of other areas are in tranquility.

c] other ethnic groups than blauchis are not raising arms struggle (except the gang mafia wars in karachi.and gangs are enshrined under the umbrella of ethnic groups).

these ethnic groups are posing their reservations in a political way.

d]in karachi, the ethnic warriors balance each other. and their energy is wasted within themself,,,without harming the integration of the country. so ,no danger.

d] we have a few federal leaders like nawaz sharif and imran khan. and a few very powerful mainstream political parties.

e]relatively strong judiciary and vibrant media to protect the rights of everyone.

---so, in my opinion pakistan,s situation has no analogy with that of YOGOSLAVIA.

we are at a far better stage .

dr.NOAM CHOMSKY in his book "ROGUE STATES" opines;

"UNTIL ANY NATION IS AT THE MAP OF THE WORLD, IT IS NOT A ROGUE STATE".

regards.

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Yaar kyun Yugoslavia ki be-izati kar rahay ho?

Yugoslavia had:

- enough electricity for its inhabitants
- a decent standard of living for its peoples
- free healthcare
- free quality education
- equality
- very low crime rates before the wars of the 90s
- good order and stability

How many of these things do we have?



@ali36, you failed to grasp the idea of the OP. Both Pakistan and Yugoslavia are multi-ethnic federations brought together by common ideologies.

In fact, there are even more similarities than the ones that the OP pointed out. General Tito, Yugoslavia's "father", belonged to the minority Croat group and Mohammad Ali Jinnah, too, belonged to the minority Gujarati community. Moreover, Tito led a Socialist state yet he disassociated himself from mainstream international communism and the Soviet Union and Jinnah was a Muslim but he did not believe in a theocratic state ('contradictions' in both cases).

In my opinion, the only way Pakistan can avoid Yugoslavia's fate is by becoming a true federation in which:

- the federation must only control defense, communication, foreign policy and currency.
- the provinces must have 100% control over their natural resources and revenue.
- the generals must be confined to their barracks. If the Turks can put leashes on their generals, why can't we?
- the provinces must have the right to use their lingua franca as their official language and as the language of instruction in their schools.

However, if these issues are not sorted out and are, instead, suppressed the resentment from Pakistan's minorities will only increase with time.

@junaidd,what I am trying to understand is what is relationship of these so called similarities with down fall of any nation,as I said earlier and reiterate that all communist countries were facing downfall so was yugoslavia.similarly,we have many similarities with many other countries,ie india,bangladesh and other muslim countries,so it means they all will all face downfall as yugoslavia faced.This is not a correct approach.ok thanks

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Ali and Kamran you have not taken into attention the basic concepts behind the points and just started bashing me for comparing communism with Islam . It's no ideological comparison but the fact is that the Pakistani state has been trying to gel all ethnicities with the glue of Islam and has succeeded in KHYBER and Punjab but Sindhi and baloch nationalists have and are resisting these efforts . I have baluchi friends and it's their unanimous cry.
Pakistan 's best chance is in devolution of power from federation to provinces.
And you have not considered the similarity of punjabi dominance ! How can you deny this comparison with Serbs.