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“No criminal proceedings whatsoever shall be instituted or continued against the President or a Governor in any court during his term of office.” Also article 248(4) No civil proceedings in which relief is claimed against the President or a Governor shall be instituted during his term of office in respect of anything done by or not done by him in his personal capacity whether before or after he enters upon his office. Looking at these clauses of the constitution, how can the Supreme Court, whose duty is to interpret the constitution, expect the Prime Minister to initiate an cases or reopen any previously made cases against President Asif Ali Zardari? Not only that, Article 248(1) also has the same for the Prime Minister as it states that he will not be answerable to any court in the country for the actions performed during his term in office... I quote the actual words of article: The President, a Governor, the Prime Minister, a Federal Minister, a Minister of State, the Chief Minister and a Provincial Minister shall not he answerable to any court for the exercise of powers and performance of functions of their respective offices or for any act done or purported to be done in the exercise of those powers and performance of those functions: Provided that nothing in this clause shall be construed as restricting the right of any person to bring appropriate proceedings against the Federation or a Province. What do you people think isn't the fact much clear from articles? I am much clear, you can form your opinion in your way... Quote:
Defaming and ridiculing is something that Nawaz and company did by attacking supreme court, how much punishment he got? redicule is something that Dr. Babar Awan did and does deserve to be punished according to the law, but why his case has been delayed? Only becuase he has left the party silently? Don't you think that court has rewarded him only on grounds of keeping distances from PPP? In my opinion, I have never heard the unanimously elected P.M speaking against the Supreme Court in such a way other than saying that I, being a defender of the constitution, cannot open up any case against the President. What is wrong with that? Looking at the constitution article 248, it seems perfectly fine.. Where in the constitution does it say that the Supreme Court is eligible to disqualify a member of the national assembly? The Supreme Court is stepping over boundaries and will ultimately result to further mayhem in the country which is already under various internal as well as external threats. |
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If one flouts the orders of SC, it is ridiculing, disrespecting, setting a precedence for non-observance and disobeying. Hence, defaming, as an institution. Defaming and rediculing does not only mean "calling the names". You are right in your example of Babar Awan. The SC seems to be ignoring/delaying him. However, who Mr. Awan is (just a lawyer now) and who Mr. Gillani is, at the time of proceedings (the Chief Executive of the country). So the difference in responsibility should be considered. If a sitting PM flouts the SC orders, who would obey than? Quote:
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SC did not ask the government to re-open the cases against the president. It merely ordered the government to withdraw a letter written by Justice Qayum. In fact there was a mutual judicial cooperation between gov't of Pakistan and Switzerland on the cases named as Swiss Money Laundering case. The GoP became party to this case in Swiss courts but Malik Qayum, after initiation of NRO, wrote a letter to Swiss gov't that Pakistan does not want more investigations and wants to withdraw. The letter which the SC wants the gov't to write would only withdraw this letter (by Qayum). It does not automatically negates the presidential immunity which is the second step in this process. Personally, I respect the president and am impressed by his political skills but I don't feel pride having a president allegedly involved in corruption cases. For me, he would have stepped down and would have presented himself for a time bound (say one year) transparent accountability and investigation. The SC is not stepping over the boundaries. Whatever has been done has strictly been within the limits set by the constitution. However, the SC seems to be impartial and taking sides. This is what which is worrisome and horrendous and would have repercussions.
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If CJ really want to establish rule of law, then charity begins at home... CJ should open the corruption references against the 4 sitting judges of SC. I am not saying that CJ should spare politicians my only concern is that Justice should be equal for all. |
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would you please enlighten us about this case, It would be appreciated if you quote and explain this "gate" also.
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Just tell me What wrong he has done? What is your opinion regarding article 248 without taking any assumptions?
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The Supreme Court is stepping over boundaries and will ultimately result to further mayhem in the country which is already under various internal as well as external threats this is your true opinion? |
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Article 248 says complete immunity for the president. I regard it as a necessary tool for acts without fear or favor. However, merely writing a letter (withdrawing another letter written already) would not have opened the cases. I would have stepped down in such a case where constitution say on the one hand to protect an allegedly corrupt president and on the other hand to obey the judiciary, not only constitutionally but morally as well. Secondly, why the gov't did not take issue of immunity in SC during the proceedings? Why the gov't did not appeal against the SC Apr 26 verdict? Why the gov't did not get NRO approved from the NA, if it was really a good legislation? Gillani, being Chief executive of the country, must take responsibility of not initiating a strong accountability system during his period.
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I am not supporting Gilani/Zardari but just trying to convince you that judiciary has becoem biased and this is not good for democracy or our country.
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I dont disagree with you, at least it seems. But I wont use the word biased rather i would say the SC has seemingly not been impartial and selective in its approach. However, the point to ponder is, even if it is selective it is still doing good, better than being idle.
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