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first of all,i wanna say that em not a fan of ppp..... i just wanna say that why we people don't respect our leaders... a pm or a the president are the assistants of ALLAH so why we disrespect them.... .. ALLAH will see them... what i wanna is that we should say "bye " with respect... this is not the first time .. we always do this Zulfiqar bhutto.. Nwaz sharif.. Mussharaf and now YOUSAF raza... say ALLAH HAFIZ with respect .. instead of thinking that which party he is from... just think he is our Prime minister n give him a nice fare well because when we insult him we are actuallu insulting our own choice and our own vote
dear what about Zia or Yayah khan...aur agar yeh sab allah ke assistant hotay hain....ttu kya corruption bhi farz hai....Or we must give respect to the corrupt leaders...?
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first of all,i wanna say that em not a fan of ppp..... i just wanna say that why we people don't respect our leaders... a pm or a the president are the assistants of ALLAH so why we disrespect them.... .. ALLAH will see them... what i wanna is that we should say "bye " with respect... this is not the first time .. we always do this Zulfiqar bhutto.. Nwaz sharif.. Mussharaf and now YOUSAF raza... say ALLAH HAFIZ with respect .. instead of thinking that which party he is from... just think he is our Prime minister n give him a nice fare well because when we insult him we are actuallu insulting our own choice and our own vote
I do understand what did you mean, however, appreciation always comes for good deeds, therefore, they do not deserve.

One more thing, I wish to make addition that Ruler has dual accountability, on earth, to the nation and on heaven, to the ALLAH Almighty.
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The Glorious Qur`an illustrates this in Surah 49 Al Hujurat (the Inner Apartments), Verse 13:

“O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you (Muttaqi). And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).”


So bhai Jan ! the best among us in the eyes of All Mighty Allah is one who is more TAQWA-dar irrespective of his worldly status.

and If the best Personalities among Ummah after Muhammad(PBUH); Caliph farooq-e-azam(ra) & Caliph Ali Haidar-e-karar(ra) had been openly questioned , criticized by common people throughout their Caliphate then who is Gillani, rental, Mr 10% or any xyz .
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Naib does not means assistant. Naib is every human being on earth, for fulfilling the commands of Allah.

If an Imam (leader) or Amir (ruler) becomes corrupt he should first be given a call to Islam (submission) in private, or possibly in public if his evil deeds were done in public. If he does not turn away from his evil deeds, he should be overthrown or removed from position. However, in the process of removing him from position, he should not be physically fought, such as waging war with weapons. This is because the ruler is still Muslim, and the Muslims are not to attack or kill another Muslim. If, however, the Muslim leader or ruler completely abandons his salat, he nullifies his Islam and can be fought if necessary.

Many Muslim scholars have commented on when it is permissible to disobey or remove the Khalifa, which is normally forbidden when the Khalifa is meeting all his responsibilities under Islam.
  • Al-Mawardi believed that if the Khalifa has followed the Qur'an and Sunnah, the people must follow and support him. On the other hand, if he becomes either unjust or handicapped to the point of ineffectiveness (such as blindness or an amputation), then he must be removed.
  • Al-Baghdadi believed that if the Khalifa deviates from justice, the ummah needs to warn him first to return to the straight path. If this fails, then he can be removed.
  • Al-Juwayni held that since Islam is the goal of the ummah, any Khalifa who steps away from this goal must be removed.
  • Ashighistani wrote that if the Khalifa is found to be ignorant, oppressive, indifferent, or a kafir after his selection, then he must be removed.
  • Al-Ghazali believed that an oppressive Khalifa must be told to desist from his crimes. If he does not, then he must be removed.
  • Al-Iji believed the ummah has a definite list of permissible reasons to remove the Khalifa.
  • Al-Asqalani wrote that if the Khalifa starts to act as an unbeliever, it is prohibited to obey him and obligatory to fight him. It is obligatory to stand against him if one can - and this entails a big reward. Those people who choose to ignore the situation are in sin, whereas those who cannot fight should emigrate (to organize resistance). Al-Asqalani used two ayahs from the Qur'an in particular to support his position. The first is from Surat Al-Ahzab 67-68, "...And they would say, 'Our Lord! We obeyed our chiefs and our great ones, and they deceived us as to the right path. Our Lord! Give them a double penalty and curse them with a very great curse'...", and the second is from Surat Al-Baqara 167, "...And those who followed would say, 'If only we had one more chance, we would clear ourselves of them, as they have cleared themselves of us.' Thus will Allah show them (the fruits of) their deeds as (nothing but) regrets. Nor will there be a way for them out of the Fire..."
  • Muslim reported that Ibn Umar said the Prophet ordered every Muslim to obey their leader unless commanded to do something bad, in which case they must neither obey nor listen. Muslim also reported that Ibn Malik said the best leader is the one where mutual love exists between him and the people, and the worst leader generates mutual hate. However, even in the latter case, fighting the Khalifa (with weapons) is prohibited unless he enters kufr by stopping prayers or zakat for example.
  • Abu Daud reports from Ibn Ujrah that the Prophet entered a masjid, and said there will come leaders after him who disobey the Qur'an and Allah. Those who help them are not of the Muslims, but if someone opposes them, he or she is of the Prophet's people.

I dont agree with those who say that we have chosen them so why should we complain now. Yes, people choose them because people put there trust in them and it's the ruler duty to come up to their expectations. If he does not, masses have all the right to raise their voice against him and get him removed in a proper way.

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Please do not compare the corrupt leaders with previous Imams and Khulafa e Rashideen.
just for the sake of my knowledge.
will someone please tell me authentically in light of islam only; that:
above mentioned scholars have said if muslim ruler becomes bad then first he should be given call to right path if he rejects then he should be fought. but whose responsibility is to give call to him; who should try to make him understand or give him last warning, 18 crore or what ever would be the population -will not go to khalifa/imam/president -now days parliament, SC, army are controversial and politicized so automatically biased for some sections plus we have no united-authentic-uncontroversial-religious body who can decide then what to do?
and if we can't use weapon against bad-but-muslim ruler then how could we fight with him or remove him? he surely wouldn't leave on suggestions.
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Hazrat Abu Dharr Ghaffari(ra), one of the eminent companions of the Prophet (PBUH), used to recite “…And those who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in Allah’s way — announce to them a painful chastisement.” before those who would accumulate wealth; he would refuse to shake hands with such people. Thus, those whom Abu Dharr(ra) shook hands with would consider themselves proud and even boast about it. Abu Dharr(ra) was an uncompromising man when it came to principles, and because of that he died a lonely death in the desert of Rabza where he was exiled. His wife did not even have the money to buy a shroud for him and he was buried in his clothes.

we are the followers of our Master(PBUH) and his illustrious companions(ra), we should not shake hands with such people, respect is out of question.
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just for the sake of my knowledge.
will someone please tell me authentically in light of islam only; that:
above mentioned scholars have said if muslim ruler becomes bad then first he should be given call to right path if he rejects then he should be fought. but whose responsibility is to give call to him; who should try to make him understand or give him last warning.
In the event of a bad Khalifa, the Majlis-ash-Shura must be the voice of the ummah which steps forward and orders the Khalifa to step down (although they must warn the Khalifa first of his crimes). If there is no Majlis-ash-Shura, the general populace must create one first by nominating and appointing people to form it. No individuals should rise up alone in protest against the Khalifa. Muslim scholars have elaborated on this subject extensively.
  • Al-Juwayni has written that if the Khalifa acts strangely and is leading the Muslims to weakness, the ummah should not allow individuals to step forward and challenge the Khalifa because this leads to anarchy. Rather, any change must go through the Majlis-ash-Shura.
  • Al-Mindad believed that an oppressor cannot be the Khalifa, a judge, imam for prayer, or even a simple witness. However, if he is already the leader, then we must go through the Majlis-ash-Shura first to remove him.
  • Ash-Shahastani believed that the Khalifa is very important, so in case of disagreement between him and the people, no individual should go about creating turmoil. Instead, the people should go through the Majlis-ash-Shura.
  • Ibn Taymiya believed that an oppressive Khalifa should not be fought against immediately, but rather after going through the Majlis-ash-Shura first (and failing).
  • An-Nawawi wrote that a sinning, oppressive Khalifa should be removed by the Majlis-ash-Shura.
  • Ghazali believed that a bad Khalifa should be borne to avoid the possible killing of Muslims. However, the Majlis-ash-Shura should warn the Khalifa quietly at first. If the Majlis-ash-Shura is unsuccessful, and fighting is threatened, then the ummah must weigh the possible cost of many deaths against oppression. Sometimes the bloodshed warrants that the oppressive Khalifa should be tolerated.
The Majlis-ash-Shura is the body which has the authority to remove the Khalifa if he behaves contrary to Islam. At first, the Majlis-ash-Shura must advise the Khalifa of his deviant behavior, and warn him to stop. If the Khalifa does not change, then he must be told to resign.

Muslim scholars all agree that fighting is obligatory on the ummah when the Khalifa starts to alter Islamic doctrine and practice. This makes him a clear kafir. Some scholars say that the Khalifa can be fought even when he becomes only a fasiq - e.g., he believes in prayer, but does not do it regularly. The majority of scholars say that this particular offense (neglecting prayer) is kufr anyway - not just fisq.
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