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first of all,i wanna say that em not a fan of ppp..... i just wanna say that why we people don't respect our leaders... a pm or a the president are the assistants of ALLAH so why we disrespect them.... .. ALLAH will see them... what i wanna is that we should say "bye " with respect... this is not the first time .. we always do this Zulfiqar bhutto.. Nwaz sharif.. Mussharaf and now YOUSAF raza... say ALLAH HAFIZ with respect .. instead of thinking that which party he is from... just think he is our Prime minister n give him a nice fare well because when we insult him we are actuallu insulting our own choice and our own vote

[QUOTE=Shai;444435]a pm or a the president are the assistants of ALLAH so why we disrespect them[/QUOTE]
Assistants of Allah. Allah needs assistance?

[quote=last island;444465]assistants of allah. Allah needs assistance?[/quote]

اللہ کے نائب۔۔۔۔۔

You are right as per the preamble of the Constitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan, "sovereignty over the entire Universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone, and the authority to be exercised by the people of Pakistan within the limits prescribed by Him is a sacred trust;And the State shall exercise its powers and authority through the chosen representatives of the people."

We always talk about the moral attitudes and moral values but while discussing these representatives we attack their personal life and some people even go to extreme immorality in order to highlight favorite one by showing others as evil.
We the people of pakistan should never forget that if the corrupt people at high ranks are selected by us hence real culprit are people themselves, how can they blame any one else?
Yes I agree with you that the due respect should be given as President of Pakistan is not only the Head of Islamic State but also the supreme commander of the Armed forces of Pakistan.

[QUOTE=alimallah;444478]You are right as per the preamble of the Constitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan, "sovereignty over the entire Universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone, and the authority to be exercised by the people of Pakistan within the limits prescribed by Him is a sacred trust;And the State shall exercise its powers and authority through the chosen representatives of the people."

We always talk about the moral attitudes and moral values but while discussing these representatives we attack their personal life and some people even go to extreme immorality in order to highlight favorite one by showing others as evil.
We the people of pakistan should never forget that if the corrupt people at high ranks are selected by us hence real culprit are people themselves, how can they blame any one else?
Yes I agree with you that the due respect should be given as President of Pakistan is not only the Head of Islamic State but also the supreme commander of the Armed forces of Pakistan.[/QUOTE]
Constitution says they must be honest and faithful.

Are they ?

Constitution says prestident must be non political and impartial

Is he ?

Why he is not ready to resign from 1 of 2 offices ?

Bure ko bura kehna iman ka hisa ha. Dil se to bura janana chahye bhai mere. Mere swalon ka jwab dain

[COLOR="DarkRed"] Off course, in our government some leaders have been elected not good enough. But, keep in one thing in your mind that you are saying that we people are bad that's why we have elected bad leaders in your context. You know our illiteracy ratio, you know that in our country people are mostly Innocent and un-aware about to elect the right leaders. They only see that we have to vote the PPP or a particular party and when they are thing about to vote, a number of prominent leaders like Bhutto and other eminent leaders came in their mind and they are using their vote to wrong leader. As far as you are blaming the person, I have answered about that. Besides, the respect is concerned, yes you are right that the supremacy is only for ALLAH Almighty, but we have to respect our leaders. An instance can be taken from Khulfa e Rashdeen. That whenever a Khaleefa was elected, He was respected by people owing to his superior authority, because any problem was disscussed with the concerned khalifa and the khalifa became respectful person in our religious manner. I hope you don't you mind about the above comments. Thanks. [/COLOR]

@ Shai

Naib does not means assistant. Naib is every human being on earth, for fulfilling the commands of Allah.

If an Imam (leader) or Amir (ruler) becomes corrupt he should first be given a call to Islam (submission) in private, or possibly in public if his evil deeds were done in public. If he does not turn away from his evil deeds, he should be overthrown or removed from position. However, in the process of removing him from position, he should not be physically fought, such as waging war with weapons. This is because the ruler is still Muslim, and the Muslims are not to attack or kill another Muslim. If, however, the Muslim leader or ruler completely abandons his salat, he nullifies his Islam and can be fought if necessary.

Many Muslim scholars have commented on when it is permissible to disobey or remove the Khalifa, which is normally forbidden when the Khalifa is meeting all his responsibilities under Islam. [LIST][*] Al-Mawardi believed that if the Khalifa has followed the Qur'an and Sunnah, the people must follow and support him. On the other hand, if he becomes either unjust or handicapped to the point of ineffectiveness (such as blindness or an amputation), then he must be removed.[/LIST][LIST][*] Al-Baghdadi believed that if the Khalifa deviates from justice, the ummah needs to warn him first to return to the straight path. If this fails, then he can be removed.[/LIST][LIST][*] Al-Juwayni held that since Islam is the goal of the ummah, any Khalifa who steps away from this goal must be removed.[/LIST][LIST][*] Ashighistani wrote that if the Khalifa is found to be ignorant, oppressive, indifferent, or a kafir after his selection, then he must be removed.[/LIST][LIST][*] Al-Ghazali believed that an oppressive Khalifa must be told to desist from his crimes. If he does not, then he must be removed.[/LIST][LIST][*] Al-Iji believed the ummah has a definite list of permissible reasons to remove the Khalifa.[/LIST][LIST][*] Al-Asqalani wrote that if the Khalifa starts to act as an unbeliever, it is prohibited to obey him and obligatory to fight him. It is obligatory to stand against him if one can - and this entails a big reward. Those people who choose to ignore the situation are in sin, whereas those who cannot fight should emigrate (to organize resistance). Al-Asqalani used two ayahs from the Qur'an in particular to support his position. The first is from Surat Al-Ahzab 67-68, "...And they would say, 'Our Lord! We obeyed our chiefs and our great ones, and they deceived us as to the right path. Our Lord! Give them a double penalty and curse them with a very great curse'...", and the second is from Surat Al-Baqara 167, "...And those who followed would say, 'If only we had one more chance, we would clear ourselves of them, as they have cleared themselves of us.' Thus will Allah show them (the fruits of) their deeds as (nothing but) regrets. Nor will there be a way for them out of the Fire..."[/LIST][LIST][*] Muslim reported that Ibn Umar said the Prophet ordered every Muslim to obey their leader unless commanded to do something bad, in which case they must neither obey nor listen. Muslim also reported that Ibn Malik said the best leader is the one where mutual love exists between him and the people, and the worst leader generates mutual hate. However, even in the latter case, fighting the Khalifa (with weapons) is prohibited unless he enters kufr by stopping prayers or zakat for example.[/LIST][LIST][*] Abu Daud reports from Ibn Ujrah that the Prophet entered a masjid, and said there will come leaders after him who disobey the Qur'an and Allah. Those who help them are not of the Muslims, but if someone opposes them, he or she is of the Prophet's people.[/LIST]
I dont agree with those who say that we have chosen them so why should we complain now. Yes, people choose them because people put there trust in them and it's the ruler duty to come up to their expectations. If he does not, masses have all the right to raise their voice against him and get him removed in a proper way.

@ All
Please do not compare the corrupt leaders with previous Imams and Khulafa e Rashideen.

Agar aisa hai to "Jaaber Hukmraan k saamne Kalma Haq kehna" k peche kia philosophy hai? Mohterma! Kuch roshni daalna pasand krein gi?

[QUOTE=sarfaraz shami;444484]Constitution says they must be honest and faithful.

Are they ?

Constitution says prestident must be non political and impartial

Is he ?

Why he is not ready to resign from 1 of 2 offices ?

Bure ko bura kehna iman ka hisa ha. Dil se to bura janana chahye bhai mere. Mere swalon ka jwab dain[/QUOTE]

ma bap ki olaad na farmaan ho jay tou ous ko gali daynay sy pehlay yeh xarur souch lyna chaiay k ic ki tarbiyaat hum ny ki hai...ajj yeh jo kuch bol raha hai wo humara hi sikhya hua hai ya humari hi na laiki ki wajh sy hai...tb bhi ap ek BURAY larkay ko bura keh kar IMAAN ki kamxoor tareen shart pouri karty ho laikin ous bachy ko wahan tk pounchany walay ap khud hotay ho....

ic tarah yeh Zardari sab ny pouray Pakistan ki assembliyun sy elect ho kar ous muqaam pr pohncha hai jis pr aj ap ous ko beytha kar Galiyaan dy rahy hain....aur wo assemblies ap kay aur mery vote sy bni thein....

aur bhai ji ek simple bat hai k khuda ny kaha hai k jaisi QOUM hoti hai waisy hi ous pr HUKMRAAN laga diay jaty hain....ic liay khud ko theek kar lou...in BUROOO sy bhi jan choth jay gi ap ki

[QUOTE=Abdussamad Chaudhary;444512]Agar aisa hai to "Jaaber Hukmraan k saamne Kalma Haq kehna" k peche kia philosophy hai? Mohterma! Kuch roshni daalna pasand krein gi?[/QUOTE]

janab jo otar gaay hain oun k samnay kalma-e-Haaq kehnay ki bat nai ho rahi...bat ho rahi hai k atleast jb koi otar jata hai tou ous ki xara si izat kar li jay ku k akhir ko wo humary hi VOTES ki numaindgi kar raha hota hai

[QUOTE=Last Island;444511]@ Shai

Naib does not means assistant. Naib is every human being on earth, for fulfilling the commands of Allah. [/QUOTE]
dear what she wanted to say is illustrated here

[QUOTE=alimallah;444478]You are right as per the preamble of the Constitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan, "sovereignty over the entire Universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone, and the authority to be exercised by the people of Pakistan within the limits prescribed by Him is a sacred trust;And the State shall exercise its powers and authority through the chosen representatives of the people."

[/QUOTE]

although you have advised us not to compare these leaders with khulfa and on the other hand you have given the ways as per the pious Khulfa....and in my weak opinion i guess what you mentioned was suitable only for a pure islamic state...a state where the head of State don't have immunity,a state where the modern structure of state consisting of essential pillars like legislator and judiciary exist....the system which you are talking about has a SHOURA whose sole purpose is to give advice to the KHALIFA who acts as head of state as well as head of Government...i think there is touch bit difference in the orthodox Muslim political system and prevalent system of state in Pakistan.....