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Well i sincerely feel that Pakistan needs another person like Zia.Ul.Haq to come and settle the mess created over the past so many years. Members would definitely disagree with me but i feel that strong decision making power is needed at the top. Come what may, Zia did what ever he decided to do, because of a strong command and control system. Today we see chaos and breakdown of government machinery just because of poor management. I like the Machiavellian style of governance shown by Zia and his cohorts. Zia for me is like the Prince of Machiavelli. Public flogging and media controls were best in those times, no body dared to say a word about the regime.
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Well i sincerely feel that Pakistan needs another person like Zia.Ul.Haq to come and settle the mess created over the past so many years. Members would definitely disagree with me but i feel that strong decision making power is needed at the top. Come what may, Zia did what ever he decided to do, because of a strong command and control system. Today we see chaos and breakdown of government machinery just because of poor management. I like the Machiavellian style of governance shown by Zia and his cohorts. Zia for me is like the Prince of Machiavelli. Public flogging and media controls were best in those times, no body dared to say a word about the regime.
If you feel that member would disagree, you will be definitely thinking in right way, however, here you seem a bit stray by supporting a dictator.

No encounter argument as you pleaded that he has committed many wrongs just because of his allusive unlimited regime power.

Not a single word in the support of dictatorship, please.

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If you feel that member would disagree, you will be definitely thinking in right way, however, here you seem a bit stray by supporting a dictator.

No encounter argument as you pleaded that he has committed many wrongs just because of his allusive unlimited regime power.

Not a single word in the support of dictatorship, please.

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You are well within your rights to disagree. Had Zia been around here today, Pakistan would have become a dream destination for all peace loving people. The economic development in his times is no where to be seen these days. Martial law was very kind and benign, people did not suffer 22 hours load shedding a day. The labourers were not blocking the roads every day.
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zia a person who used islam for his personal benifits
if we are today facing terrorists then it is only the gift of zia who trained them on the call of America on the name of jihad and when there was no use of them then he left them on their own and now they are the cause of current terrorism

it is not difficult in window dressing of the economic situation when in power, actual result and effects of the policies comes after the end of that govt..

it is the result of the policies of zia regarding jihadis and thats why we are today facing terrorism, which is the worst problem of Pakistan,mere economic stability subject to misleading facts cant justify him...
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You are well within your rights to disagree. Had Zia been around here today, Pakistan would have become a dream destination for all peace loving people. The economic development in his times is no where to be seen these days. Martial law was very kind and benign, people did not suffer 22 hours load shedding a day. The labourers were not blocking the roads every day.
1. peace loving people???a person who made Pakistan a pawn in the hand of the America's proxy war.today the alleged war of TERRORISM is not created by Musharaf but by our Dear Mr. Zia by funding and raising a force today named as TALIBAN.what a peace making person who instead of making some concrete efforts for Kashmir.raised the level of revolts in East Punjab and indirectly made himself responsible for the deaths of Sikhs.if he had to take revenge of Bangladesh and Kashmir,he could have made it by making Pakistan stronger country and strong not as military power but an economic power and educationally excellent country.

2. Economic development???
it was nothing but aid that we got from America in fighting a war that was fought by placing a gun on our shoulder and we,till now,are the real victim by standing in that LINE OF FIRE.it was just like a chaudary paying a servant because he is using his house for a war against his rival.

3.KIND???
people were getting beatings and were put into Jail for speaking out their heart against "AMEER-UL-MUMNEEN".as far as load shedding is concerned,its not his victory that he didn't face load shedding but it was the less usage of electricity....you all thick wool people were not that much accustomed to AC's and huge home appliances.

4.A LIAR
his biggest demerit is his LIES.he made a press conference at the 3rd or may be 4th day of his coup and told reporters that he'll leave the rulership in 90 days and when asked by a reportert that 4 days are passed and if you have any doubt than i'll prove you wrong after 87 days.

ALL HAIL AMEER-UL-MUMNEEN......A DICTATOR WHO KNEW VERY WELL TO MAKE USE OF RELIGION FOR POLITICAL BENEFITS
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You are well within your rights to disagree. Had Zia been around here today, Pakistan would have become a dream destination for all peace loving people. The economic development in his times is no where to be seen these days. Martial law was very kind and benign, people did not suffer 22 hours load shedding a day. The labourers were not blocking the roads every day.
come on dear,,gen. Zia was not good leader, every dictator just want to give orders and get them obey. Zia held out a solemn promise to the nation to establish pure Islamic democracy in the country within 90 days but continue his rule as an absolute autocrat for a number of years.during his long tenure he didn't even spell out what he really meant by Islamic democracy until he blew up in mid air in 1988 along with his dreams, if at all he had any. he only promoted cult of sectarianism and extremism in the name of Islamic democracy. that was to course the social, political and religious life of the nation during the coming years........
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I donot like pakistani democracy, fills with corruption, nepotism.Such democracy define by Gillani that ruined our country. Oh unbelieveable price hiking that was not the part of Zia's era. Due to this domocracy we Pakistanis have been becoming poor and our leaders are going becoming richest. So I am in the favour of Zia era. these socalled democratic leaders must leave Pakistan so we can live a peaceful life.

In Pakistan there is no chance for true democratic government. In future, it will be in hands of children of Democratic-dictator leaders. Moreover, someone must know it that present democratic Govt. used to arrange the visits of Hindu Pandits so they could plan their future plannings according to Pandit's sayings i.e. oath etc. What kind of religion they have?

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now there is no logic and logical life in Pakistan. In media and every field of life leaders as well as public are only to discuss, discuss and discuss.............and useless discussion without any change. do u think is this life of 21st century? we are fighting just for basic rights including LIGHT. During era of Ayub, Zia, and atleast in figures in case of Musharaf, economic stability was found as compared to Democratic govt. Due to this govt., now pakistan is debtor of more than 16 trillion.
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With all due respects to the divergent or convergent views of different people in reference to the original title of this thread, I am not in favour of Zia's regime. He was a dictator who used the religious sentiments of people for sustaining his regime and fulfilling his ignoble designs. He was nothing better than a person who worked on the intimations of America. This assertion can be proved by tracing back his act of formulating Jihadist movements for defeating soviets. Well, it was apparently an act of protecting Islam, but a deep contemplation may change the views of thinkers who consider it in this way
The proponents of his regime who unknowingly attribute it with unprecedented era of peace should not ignore the reality of sectarian and ethnic violences which were fanned by him to depoliticise the masses only to remain in power.
status quo may compel one to think of dictatorship as a better option than democracy for bringing in national prosperity and development. But we should not undermine the fact, and past experiences, that dictators only weaken the very social order of country to fulfil their motives. What we need now is not to check again and again the same obsolete philosophies but to find out a workable way for running a state based on accountability of rulers and participation of commoners in decision-making at national level.
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With all due respect sir, we do not need the type of decision power that Zia had. First, he reneged on his promise to hold elections in three months. Then the Mard-e-Momin staged a referendum in which allegedly 90% voted for him; what a joke!

General Zia now moved to destroy the political infrastructure built by Bhutto; he banned all political parties and instead formed a Majlis-e-Shoora, a group of technocrats loyal to Zia. Elections were held in 1985 Gen Zia himself nominated the man he considered most suited to run the country. Some elections!

Next on Zia’s hit list were women and under the Zina ordinance, women ran the risk of being sentenced to adultery if they could not prove the rape! And this wasn’t only on paper either, no sir, the Mard-e-Momin made sure that this was a law that was followed and more than 15,000 rape victims were put in jail. 19 1983, a 13 year old girl was convicted of adultery while her rapists were acquitted. The testimony of two women was made equal to that of one man. Zia also advocated the policy of chadar aur char diwari. The Quaid, Muhammad Ali Jinnah said however:
“No nation can rise to the height of glory unless your women are side by side with you.”

Clearly, either Jinnah or Zia are lying; it up to the reader to decide who is.

And sir, please remember who created MQM and PML. And finally, remember that it was Zia who created and nurtured the Taliban and started this whole "proxy" culture. Sir, Pakistanis are still paying for Zia's actions with their blood!
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