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This person Zardari is not even sincere to his own PPP, put aside Pakistan and provinces . All the 'good things' that are being put to his credit, he won't even know he had done that much good in ignorance . He is sincere with only one person in the whole world whom he wants to see the richest person in the world, and that lucky person is, himself
well said kashif...this is the bitter reality.zardari only think how to increase his wealth now he has become most richest person on this land soon he gona beat bill gates if he maintain in powers
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He is the most corrupt politician in Pakistan political history. Many big businessmen have wound up their business in Pakistan because Zardari wanted share... and what proof you need my friend... His party being in government has taken more loans than loans taken by all previous governments combined. And where has this money gone....? Has it been invested in some mega projects? Has it been invested/consumed on people of Pakistan? Has poverty condition improved?

Circumstances themselves are a big proof that this money has been usurped by corrupt politicians the leader of whom is Mr. Zardari. You know how many corruption scandals emerged this year? What about his swiss cases? Where that money came from?

Mr. President may be favourite personality to many like you but to me, Mr. Zardari is the worst thing happened to this country.
do you know some thing about the background of ZARDARI SAHB....
his father Hakim Ali zardari was one of the richest man of sub-continent. before the inception of Pakistan.
if loans going to the account of president than why your pious chief justice is still silent on this issue.
what about other politicians like, Nawz, Imran, and others where the money came from, and how they running their parties expenses?
dear, Zardari sahb is big gun of country he has not need of your money...
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his father Hakim Ali zardari was one of the richest man of sub-continent. before the inception of Pakistan.
Ohh my God , no body knew that, I thought Jams of Nawabshah were richer than Zardaris in their own district, but Zardaris were richest in the whole sub-continent
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I think zardari should not get the blame alone. PPP,no doubt, has hardly done anything to pacify the poor and depressed masses,yet we should not forget that he is not all in all. Judiaciry, military and strong opposition have never let him to do something worthwhile during his four years rule.Even today the key decisions are being made by the military.Moreover,judiciary has also left no stone unturned to topple zardari's govt. Qissa mukhtasr,zardari shb bht pansy huy hen and that might be the major reason of ppp's inefficiency to deliever its promises. Taataa.
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Ohh my God , no body knew that, I thought Jams of Nawabshah were richer than Zardaris in their own district, but Zardaris were richest in the whole sub-continent
i think before posting any think here, you must read about it and conform it from any proper source, you have to read about hakim ali zardari dear, and one thing i never ever observed that you posted any informative thing.
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i think before posting any think here, you must read about it and conform it from any proper source, you have to read about hakim ali zardari dear, and one thing i never ever observed that you posted any informative thing.
Ok dear, please share where can I find this information that Muhammad Hussain Zardari, father of Hakim Ali Zardari was one of the richest person in entire sub-continent before partition. It will increase my knowledge and I will also start posting informative things
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i asked here yesterday that any one who have any strong or legal prove of corruption against him. no one replied.
We criticize zardari becuase he is the leader of ruling party.The person who is responsible to formulate and implement its policy.Is it seem logical that a person who was nothing before 1980s now has become Pakistan's richest person?How come?Can anyone share some detail of his sources of income?(of course legal ones)

The only way such corrupt rulers can be exposed is through honest judicial system.That's why they are doing their utmost to create hurdles in its way.

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i am not saying that he is pious but thing is that he is president of our country. and abusive language for a leader of country not a good sign, we are educated, most of us going to hold an immense reversibility. it is requested to you people that come with logic not with abusive language.
And the theory that because he is president,we should "respect" him is flawed.Even if a ruler makes a mistake and is corrupt we must point it out and there is no harm in it.At least our religion teaches us this.

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A short history of Asif Ali Zardari

Asif Ali Zardari hails from a feudal background - what that means is his father owned land, probably around a few thousand acres somewhere in rural Sindh. The locals who live and farm on the land pay the landlord a rent, or often times rent + half the produce from the land. Generally, this is the only legal source of income for most landlords.


Asif's family didn't have much land as compared to the larger Sindhi landlords, and like every other Pakistani landlord, their farming practices were backwards and highly inefficient, making them in essence relatively poor, as compared to the other much larger land owning families in Sindh. While always immensely rich compared to the average Pakistani, Asif grew up with a chip on his shoulder as the class he measured himeself against was much wealthier. Perhaps thats where his innate desire to go overboard on the pursuit of wealth grew from.
Feudal landholders in Pakistan are generally not very rich, despite impressions to the contrary. Their landholdings don't generate much income. With the spread of industry and urbanization, a number of landlords have become much richer as their lands were near growing cities, hence increasing their value many fold - which enables them to sell off bits and pieces to add to their income.


Asif Ali Zardari's father owned a small cinema in Karachi, and Asif used to make money on the side by selling cinema tickets, trading in cars, or selling off assets belonging to his family to make money. A life less ordinary, so to speak, there was never anything about him to suggest much more... till he somehow bumped into Benazir Bhutto.


Compared to the Bhutto family, the Zardari's were practically paupers - so it is one of the unsolved mystries in Pakistan how Benazir's mother accepted his marriage proposal for her daughter, and Benazir agreed to it. Such was the destiny of a nation determined, in the formal stilted marriage proposal - the bride and groom had not even met! What would a Harvard and Oxford educated woman have in common with a man who never went to college? In a way, accepting the marriage proposal was Benazir's first step (out of many) to putting her education well behind her: "Conscious of my religious obligations and duty to my family, I am pleased to proceed with the marriage proposal accepted by my mother." As a aside, there are a number of Ivy League educated feudal politicians in Pakistan, and none of them seem to have learned anything at all there, except how to better lie to western politicians and newspapers.


Getting back to Zardari, a few days/weeks before the marriage proposal, Asif was sitting at a car dealer's at Tariq Road in Karachi, trying to sell off one of his father's old Mercedes. A few days after the Marriage proposal, Asif was back in Tariq road, buying a fleet of brand new Mercedes!
Benazir Bhutto was power incarnate in Pakistan back than, a veritable goddess, revered everywhere she went as the saviour of Pakistan. In Pakistan, everything works through power, since everything works through the old boy network. By marrying into power incarnate, Zardari was suddenly elevated right to the top of both Pakistani society and also Pakistani influence - he knew everyone now, and could approach them to get things done.
A sudden influx of money poured into his lap, as feudal lords, politicians and businessmen rushed to do him favors to gain his friendship - the worth of which was increasing every day as the marriage preparations rushed forward, and the gifts kept pouring in.


Not having much money of his own, this was perhaps the time where Zardari got his first taste of wheeling and dealing, and getting things done for 'free' through his many new friends. Zardari was excellent as a sort of Facebook for the feudal politician turned businessmen, connecting them to each other through his ever increasing social network, paying back favours by getting work done for X by Y, and for Y by Z, in a ever increasing pyramid scheme of favours done and received, with Zardari getting a cut out of every transaction.


In due time, his wife became Prime Minister, and the sudden rush of even more power liberated Asif Ali Zardari from all semblance of sanity and threw him into a world where he could do anything - anything at all! And so he did, the one thing which he had always striven for his entire life - Money, Money and more Money. Now, one of the aspects of Zardari's personality is that there is no such thing as laws, morality, ethics or common sense - the way he sees it (again, common to the feudal kind) is that these are the chains of the lesser man, and he is not bound by anything.


During Benazir's two stints as leader of Pakistan, Zardari looted at least a billion US dollars from Pakistan - not just from cutbacks on govt. contracts, but he also got involved in industrial projects all over Pakistan, relying on equal parts of blackmail, intimidation and 'favours' There were other tactics too, of course, but here I suggest you watch a few mafia/gangster movies and the picture will be clear. As the "Godfather" trilogy makes clear, once you assume a position of practically unlimited power, people will line up from miles away and give you money in return for your 'blessings' on whatever it is you're trying to do - everything from import/export, to sugar mills, to exporting towels to the US - it's amazing how many pies Zardari had his finger in. It was around this time where he got the nickname Mr. 10%, for he somehow was involved and getting commisions on every single large deal of note in the country.
Zardari was the primary reason the Bhutto government was thrown out by the Pakistan Army - along with the fact that the army never liked her in the first place anyways. Somehow Zardari and his by now very much sidekick wife Benazir Bhutto managed to win back power for a second time, and despite hope to the contrary, the by now pair started on a unprecendented looting spree. African dictators had to redouble their efforts in corruption as Zardari and Benazir were catching up to them and threatening to pull ahead.


And so, the Army kicked them out of power yet again, and here is where Zardari and Benazir went their seperate ways - at some point Zardari ended up in jail and spent 10 odd years in and out of jail, while Benazir went globetrotting.


The exact amount of money Zardari stole is disputed of course, but just his very visible assets in Pakistan make up a significant proportion of that, and there are the houses across the world which credible (non political) people and newspapers and governments have confirmed. Zardari and Nawaz Sharif are both tied in joint second place for Pakistan's most corrupt - the first place is occupied by Musharraf's band of merry men, whose corruption stories are still slowly making it out to the public at large. The Swiss governement convicted him, and just one of his many mansions outside Pakistan is worth more than his entire legal net worth.


The interesting part about Zardari's life is that the only constant that he's always striven for is money - even after he had bucketfalls of it, he never slowed down in the quest to make more and more. In another life, in another world, if he hadn't gotten fixated on money at the cost of everything else, with that single minded determination applied to just about any other goal he could have really made something out of his life, instead of the pale twisted shadow of a human behing that he's now become.


So how did Zardari become President of Pakistan? By virtue of marriage - his wife was going to win the elections anwyays, she was shot dead just before, and for some strange reason her party selected Zardari to replace her. The primary reason was the sad fact that the ruling council of Benazir's party are themselves hideously incompetent - one key chap is a alchoholic basketcase, a couple are mentally retarded, quite a few others have the mental thinking prowess of 4-6 year olds, and none of them collectively have done a honest days work in thier lives.
So it wasn't much of a fight, and one thing Zardari has is determination and a do everything it takes will to win. It also helped that the competition is one over the hill cricketer and rest are just a bunch of interchangeble crooks.


So now that Zardari has both money and power, what has he done? One of the hopes people had for him is that while he's corrupt, he's at least competent and very street smart - so a lot of people thought that if he actually put his mind and will to it, he could achieve a lot for Pakistan. One of Zardari's first act as President was killing that hope, and banishing it far far away, never to trouble his conscience again, and today he sits as a sorry example of yet another hopelessly out of his depth corrupt crook. He's way beyond his competence level, and the most damning thing is that he doesn't even try to do the right thing.



A friend of mine once said, that Pakistan might be in a bad way, but at least it still functions to some extent - it's a long ways from being a failed state. Musharraf took that challenge to heart, and took Pakistan to the brink of civil war - the only reason there hasn't been more war is because the govt. of Pakistan has actually left vast terriroties of land inside Pakistan and 'outsourced' them to new management under various groups, like different breeds of Taliban, Al Queda, a number of Lashkars, and other various shady groups.


Zardari is continuing that policy of giving up more and more Pakistani land over to different groups of people, and as things go worse it looks like the major Pakistani cities will become islands of govt. control amidst ever growing chaos in the countryside. After the country side falls, the cities will be next. Despite all the many flowery speeches, the actual on the ground actions of the Zardari govt. remain more and more appeasement to whoever has guns. Strangely enough, both Musharraf and Zardari seem to have forgotten that the Pakistan army has a lot more guns than the people they keep handing over land to, and on top of that the Pakistan army is 100% backed by both the US Army as well as NATO.


Damned by birth, marriage and events, Zardari is perched on something that he doesn't seem to understand, and is doing all the wrong things to boot. Damned too is the country with leaders like Zardari.

Sadly, as ruler of Pakistan, the countries history is tied up with him, and while Zardari will either be dead or in exile in a few years, the country will continue suffering for decades the effects of his misrule. To be fair to Zardari, he is only continuing the norm of misrule as set in back in the '50's by Ghulam Mohammad and continued by every leader ever since.


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who will give back his precious years of life he spend in prison?

who is responsible for this ?
Tell me who will make up for these 5 precious years of One Hundred and Eighty Million Pakistanis suffering from energy crisis,terrorism,poverty,protocols and above all corruption???



Disclaimer: The above may or not not be representative of the writer's views, or of those of anyone elses. One possible theory is that this view of reality might actually exist in it's own independent space time, from where it was emailed to me by a million chattering monkies.

A short history of Asif Ali Zardari


Here is the informal list of his assets.Those who ask to bring a legal documents, why put hurdles in the ways of those who are trying to get some real proofs?OR if this isn't feasible they should themselves declare all their assets to clear their position,who's stopping them?

Asif Zardari’s Assets in Pakistan & Abroad



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Isn't it a weird comment? This shows that you do not want to engulf the realities, I wonder if this is so you'll never be able to understand whether most popular and the only federal party having strong roots in all over the country is sincere with Pakistan or not....!

For better understanding while discussion its utmost important to rely on the available authentic reference material. For example its well known fact that the both attacks in BB were done the then government driven by Musharaf, intelligence agencies have revealed that fact the where pplan was prepared and who did it, ispite of that you are saying that it was an act of self done then i am sure that people around are not that unaware of the facts. For your information i am posting the link to check the details who did it. Reporter is still alive, Editor is still alive and that senator is still alive you can personally go to have confirmation if you are still not satisfied.

http://dawn.com/2012/08/07/i-have-se...lcome-benazir/

While as far as sincerity is concerned you have to evaluate it by comparing with other your favourite parties so that you may be able to know the real facts, instead of focussing blame game, planted and unproven scandals here the discussion should be on the policies regarding various public/political/national/international issues which determine the path of the development and betterment of the people and the standing of our nation in the comity of nations.
dear brother tell me one thing if with all this proof i think there were no action taking against to culprits still even now the Govt of PPP and if the blast was done by MUSHARAF and Agencies then why PPP is still silent???/


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yes he gave all powers to prime minister. tell me another president who have done this ?


but any one who have prove that president zardari is corrupt man, come with strong arguments, he was prisoned for long time but no any case proved on him. tell who is responsible for this who will give him, precious years of his life he spend in prison... please shooting star give answer asking from you
dear brother if he was poisoned, that was for nation? country? there are some thing so that he was put behind the bars.
and if you wants Argus then all the members said about him is false? and whom not knew about his corruption in 2nd tenure of BB...
am not want to open it but many military agreements he was head of delegations and he made all that for sake of commission and still our def fence forces are suffering there bad results in working. did u forget the nick name of Sir ZARDARI as MR. 10 percent.????

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in his era for the first time forigen policy made by Pakistani govt...

Iran pakistan gas pipeline was in process science 1994, zardari sahb proceed it, even america interrupted in this projected.

in his era rights given to the provinces

Balochistan package.

nato supply halted for long time, supper power apologized from pak..

now its your turn give me any prove against zardari sahb?

one thing i want to make clear i am not pro zardari i am pro president....
what type of the foreign policy you are talking brother??? Degrading of Pak in all country we are looking for help to other countries as beggars. is this policy given to pak?
Iran gas pipe line under projected and still not completed so dont give the credit for it to Mr zardari.
what type of the rights given in provinces? in punjab what is going there in right doing with punjab like step child. in sindh sectisim and on languge basis killing at top. in Balochistan speration movement also again headed up. and in KPK the Govt of ANP allied of PPP no new work started all older are also disbaled.
Baloshistan package just for the name and package amount eaten by PPP,s ministers in Balochistan assembly.
Tell me Brother in His 4 year tenure being a president of state how many time he visited Balochistan????
and about Natto supply holding decision enforced by G.H.q not The president it was done after Slala check post incident.

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yes thats point we have to wait for legal proves. yet no any case prove on him thats why still he is not corrupt. by the way thanks for discussion. best of luck
hahahaha very nice i think now you are more excited to get this point that no one case is still proved.
Brother you have a i.Q power more then me and respectable SHOOTING STAR tell me in Pakistan all the person whom have poer and status is there any case proved against them?
and for Sir ZARDARI kia wo apny against jo b prrof thy un ko abi tak rehy dia ho ga?
and when he was in prison in nawaz tenure after he was released in BB,s Govt. the cases against him was near to decided but when Govt chnged again BB came cases Gone back. and still same condition now all his HAWARIES said that he is exempted from law.why he is not permitted to write letter to Swiss Govt???? if he is totally pure and hav,nt any corruption case????

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A statement worth debating in dhabba politics.
You are poisoning the well brother.
your statement lacks decency.
he is the President of Pakistan, whether you like it or not.
hahhahah sister tell me what is going now a days in politics of Pakistan what is this just only blaming game to inspire the nation and all are same in this DHABBA politics not goof P.M nor PRESIDENT.
they have any decency when they are blaming to each other not concerning on country disputes.

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i am strongly agree with sis Sabahtbutt that he is the most democratic president of Pakistan.

i asked here yesterday that any one who have any strong or legal prove of corruption against him. no one replied.

who will give back his precious years of life he spend in prison?

who is responsible for this ?

why court didn't prove any one case on him?

what about tortures given to him in the prison?

if any body have answer of these questions then please come with legal proves..

i am not saying that he is pious but thing is that he is president of our country. and abusive language for a leader of country not a good sign, we are educated, most of us going to hold an immense reversibility. it is requested to you people that come with logic not with abusive language..
tell me all those year are given for the nation or country, witch retriveng now?????????????

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