Originally Posted by nadia ahmed

1973constitution was the big achievement of a democratic government.all the dictators amend it for their own vested interests.a dictator do not has the support of masses so he take support of foreign powers and while gaining this,country interests' are put at standstill mood.there are many achievements of even this worst democracy in pakistan
18 constitutional amendment
nfc award
institutional supermacy
unanimous approval of cec
seniors plz highlight my grammatical mistakes
regardz

Originally Posted by sabahatbhutta

Originally Posted by mhmmdkashif

I don't classify military rulers of Pakistan in the category of dictators. All military juntas that have taken place in Pakistan seem like bouts of opportunist generals who jump in to get political power when political conditions are suitable, but as soon as questions on their legitimacy take firm political momentum they back off without bringing any good firm change in the system. On the contrary Dictators are leaders who gain power through continuous and harsh political and military struggle, rule with iron hand and ultimately build up a powerful organization that effectively enforce laws on the society and runs better administration as the leader wants it too. Economy and society are also built in the process. Almost all the powerful states, for example Britain, France, Germany etc were built by autocratic individuals or oligarchies and gradually their governments evolved into democracies. People have faith in the state, not in politicians. In no developed country is any political party, whether in government or not, is powerful than the state; if it is than it becomes a phenomenon known as state within a state. Judiciary serves as a link between people and the state, not elected representatives. Elected representatives' job is to rule the state through their policies implemented by legislative and/or executive authority; they are highly influential and noble citizens but by no means they can be bigger than the law. States are headed by Head of State and head of state assures state is immune to political influence so that in case of political instability crossing the limits, it is checked. That is how functional democracies around the world work. In Pakistan there is no such mechanism in place. We assume that if it is democracy than someone who forms the governments can do anything he wants, but that is not how it is done. Pakistani society is still backwards, individuals still assume things like in old times, economy relies heavily upon the feudal lords and their norms which are only bound to their wishes and ambitions and nothing else, and traditions are still of old tribal age where sense of tribalism prevails not nationalism. When the lords get political power they mingle in everyday affairs as if the country is their fief or something. Variety of political movements take ground in such an environment and eventually we have a non functional state that cannot even assure basic safety of life to the people. Everyone just wants to become 'Almighty' .

So whether the government is a democracy or dictatorship, what is needed is a functioning state that can make things work .

Originally Posted by sabahatbhutta

The examples you have given does not have any compatibility with the situation of Pakistan.
1- Monarchy in Great Britain is just symbolical. All the power rests with the Parliament. This system does not suit Pakistan. As you rightly siad Democracy in Pakistan is not that mature to be unaccountable.
2-France passed through 4 stages if I am not mistaken, to reach this system. this system also does not suit us. we do not share a single similarity with France.
3-In U.S.A the separation of Legislature and Executive is a good thing for themselves, that can not be applied to Pakistan as in Pakistan executive is accountable to legislature and judiciary and legislature is also answerable to judiciary whilst Judiciary is practically not answerable to anyone in the recent scenario. In USA Executive is not answerable to Legislature and Judiciary also show restraint for executive as they recently shown in Health Bill issue.
Pakistan has its own unique culture and realities. We need a system which is democratic and accountability must be balanced. Muslims are taught to be wise and exercise freedom. A system of Consultation should prevail in a muslim society which is Democracy in modern language.





Have you conducted this type of Survey practically? If yes than show us the results plz , We will be obliged.

Originally Posted by TheWaqas

72% of the total youth likes Armed Forces they never like politics an politician

Originally Posted by shallowwater

Democracy is the best possible system. There are flaws in every system, we cant have a flawless system. We are an impatient lot. People need to understand that it takes time to build institutions. If Pakistan has to flourish then it is necessary that we must give democracy a chance. Army is here to defend the borders, it must not involve itself in politics. Those who talk about the increasing problems of common man must understand that the mess created by the mismanagement of last 60 years cant be cleared in 5 years. It is mandatory that the democracy continues unabated. People must not make high expectations from this or the next government. Once the people would know about their rights only then they would understand the system. At the moment Pakistan is just giving birth to a democratic culture.