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I don't think so that democracy is working nowadays in our country. Only few families are ruling. Is this thing happens in true democracy? Our Political parties are also ruled by specific families. There is no breathing space for other workers to come on top. Such type of democracy is the main reason of such situation of our country.

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Such political families don't allow any other small party or parties to grow up because thay thought ye mulk un ki jaageeer hai or kisi or ko haq nahi kay wo yahan politics ker sake jab tak or parties ground pe nahi aatien tab tak aesa hi chalta rahay ga aaj PPP ki govt. hai or PMLN is kay khilaaf hai or mulk ki har kharabi ka zimadar PPP govt. ko tehra rahi hai kal PMLN ki govt. hogi tou PPP is kay khilaaf hogi or jo aaj PMLN ker rahi hai wohi PPP karegi or yehi silsila zindagi bhar chalta rahay ga har election k baad wohi aik daqianusi jumla sunnay ko milega " Pakistan tareekh kay aik naazuk moor se guzar raha hai " kyun meray bhaiyoo
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Smile democracy vs dictatorship in pak

i do't say that dictatorship is better than democracy but as we see democracy did nothing for pakistan or for its people.unfortunatly most(all) of the democratic leaders are corrupt and are not a bit sincere with the country.they actually take over the government turn wise through back door political sources/commitments and mutual agreements amongst them and not through votes(elections).
So they come to complete their business terms,snatach the wealth of nation and put it in swiss accounts.
After relinquishment of regimes there's no accountability of ex-political leaders so all of them are encouraged to have more corruption and wrench the public money.
Each political party is seem to be honest and fair when in opposition but become "bheegi billi" when in power.the democracy in pak is not more than "topi drama" amongst all political parties and leaders.
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thank you so much miss for pointing out the both sides of picture in front of all, especially for those who always attack and regard dictators/millitary government the reason of pakistan backwardness and all other sins in our society, the must also acknowledge the fact the adventures of democratic governments we are facing today is not much different as of dictatorship reign.
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Democracy is far better than dictatorship. Why we are even comparing the two.
There is no comparison at all. I agree there are flaws in our political system. But this doesn,t mean that we start considering it the fault of democracy. No it is not. I m not hesitant in saying that the most of the damage caused to this country was due to dictatorship. In dictatorship a single person decides the fate of the whole nation and this particular person is not accountable to any other person or institution. Our history shows that no military dictator is held accountable for what he did to this country. I would like to say that the situation currently this country is facing is only because of military regime not because of any democratically elected government.
We have not won any war fought with India,one of the major reason amongst other reasons is that instead of playing their role of defending the country the military was involved in government. Our soldiers are brave and competent to fight. But unfortunately our Generals are not. No democratically elected government have ever been given time or freedom to follow their own policies. Establishment has never given a working space to democratic governments. We lost half of our country. Whose fault it was? Yahya khan.... who was he. We are facing law and order situation in our country. whose fault it is? Who spread guns and heroine culture in our country,.. Mr zia ul Haq. Now was he a politician? who made MQM? Why Karachi is burning? Who stepped into the American war in Afghanistan. The whole nation is facing the consequences of wrong decisions of Mr.Musharaf. I am completely of the opinion that dictatorship has given us only the destruction.
No doubt there looks an improvement and advancement during dictatorship. But the time has proved that the progress during the dictatorship is artificial and hollow. Now one would say what politicians have given to this country. The answer is that this country was founded by a politician named M A Jinnah. Atomic program was started by a politician named Z A Bhutto. Politicians are considered corrupt, yes they are. But the question is that are we not corrupt. We should look into our own pockets. We are corrupt as a nation. Corruption is deep rooted in our society. Name any institution in our country which is free from corruption. The current politicians have born and grown in the laps of dictators. Because of their individual fault the whole democracy cant be blamed. We are slave in our mindsets. We elect only these corrupt people. It is our fault not the fault of democracy. I am strongly against the comparison between the democracy and dictatorship. The two should never be compared.
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Democracy is far better than dictatorship. Why we are even comparing the two.
There is no comparison at all. I agree there are flaws in our political system. But this doesn,t mean that we start considering it the fault of democracy. No it is not. I m not hesitant in saying that the most of the damage caused to this country was due to dictatorship. In dictatorship a single person decides the fate of the whole nation and this particular person is not accountable to any other person or institution. Our history shows that no military dictator is held accountable for what he did to this country. I would like to say that the situation currently this country is facing is only because of military regime not because of any democratically elected government.
We have not won any war fought with India,one of the major reason amongst other reasons is that instead of playing their role of defending the country the military was involved in government. Our soldiers are brave and competent to fight. But unfortunately our Generals are not. No democratically elected government have ever been given time or freedom to follow their own policies. Establishment has never given a working space to democratic governments. We lost half of our country. Whose fault it was? Yahya khan.... who was he. We are facing law and order situation in our country. whose fault it is? Who spread guns and heroine culture in our country,.. Mr zia ul Haq. Now was he a politician? who made MQM? Why Karachi is burning? Who stepped into the American war in Afghanistan. The whole nation is facing the consequences of wrong decisions of Mr.Musharaf. I am completely of the opinion that dictatorship has given us only the destruction.
No doubt there looks an improvement and advancement during dictatorship. But the time has proved that the progress during the dictatorship is artificial and hollow. Now one would say what politicians have given to this country. The answer is that this country was founded by a politician named M A Jinnah. Atomic program was started by a politician named Z A Bhutto. Politicians are considered corrupt, yes they are. But the question is that are we not corrupt. We should look into our own pockets. We are corrupt as a nation. Corruption is deep rooted in our society. Name any institution in our country which is free from corruption. The current politicians have born and grown in the laps of dictators. Because of their individual fault the whole democracy cant be blamed. We are slave in our mindsets. We elect only these corrupt people. It is our fault not the fault of democracy. I am strongly against the comparison between the democracy and dictatorship. The two should never be compared.
ok then tell me why Bhutto not accepted election results at that time which thereafter caused division of Pakistan & Bangladesh ? agr Bhutto sahab itne hi democratic thay tou unho ne Sheikh Mujibur Rahman ki jeet ko kyun accept nahi kiya ? M. Ali Jinnah ko in logo se compare na karain ye politicians tou un logo ki paaoun ki khaak bhi nahi.

Un logo ne 1940 mein resolution pass ki or 7 years mein new mulk bana diya or un k baad k politicians ne kiya kiya 5 saal mein load shedding khatam tou door ki baat kam bhi nahi sakay balkay Musharraf k era mein 15000 MW produce ho rahi thi or ab 13500 MW or phir kehte hain Raja Sahab k "Hum ne itnay hazar MW system mein shamil ki bla bla bla " Allah janey kahan se maths seekha hai inho ne k cheezian add kerte tou total increase hone kay bajai decrease ho raha hai

baatain kerwa lo in se bas or kuch na kerwao Nawaz sahab aai tou 5 times expensive 1 motorway banaya usi ko aaj tak rotay hain BB aaiein tou unho ne ye karnama kiya k tamam power generation units ko oil pe convert kerwa ker awam ki khidmat ki jo azab ban chuki hai Pakistan hamesha dictator k era mein hi progress kerta hai or kerta rahega 5 years diye hain na General Kiyani ne kya karnama ker diya

If I rule this country then within 40 days I will finished politics from here forever and distribute assemblies land among the poor.
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The democracy is more of a culture. And its most important prerequisite is political consciousness/awareness which seems well nigh impossible without achieving a reasonably high literacy and liberating the downtrodden masses from the clutches of feudalism.
Secondly, the local governments must be strengthened if Pakistan wants to have the sustainable democracy.
Even a maimed and crippled democracy is better than the most benign dictatorship. The cure for the ills of democracy is more democracy and not the dictatorship. Since, the democracy is evolutionary in nature.
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The democracy is more of a culture. And its most important prerequisite is political consciousness/awareness which seems well nigh impossible without achieving a reasonably high literacy and liberating the downtrodden masses from the clutches of feudalism.
Secondly, the local governments must be strengthened if Pakistan wants to have the sustainable democracy.
Even a maimed and crippled democracy is better than the most benign dictatorship. The cure for the ills of democracy is more democracy and not the dictatorship. Since, the democracy is evolutionary in nature.
There is a saying " Democracy is the best revenge " theek hi kaha hai ye Amaam se revenge hi hai or raha sawal local government ka who introduced it in our country ?
Remember local government system was introduced by a dictator (Musharraf).
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No doubt, Democracy is better but Pakistan now needs free and fair election. In this way democracy strong ho sakte he and politicians can perform good.
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No doubt, Democracy is better but Pakistan now needs free and fair election. In this way democracy strong ho sakte he and politicians can perform good.
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Dear Diya,
Agar hum in politicians ko 1000 years bhi dain democracy kay tou 1001 years baad pata hai kya sunain gay hum ?

" Humain kharabi pichli government se mili hain 5 years mein 1000 years ki kharabiyan theek thori ho sakti hain 31-Dec-3001 mein insha Allah is mulk se load shedding ka khatama ker diya jaiga aap ko tou pata hi hai pichli government ne 1MW bhi system mein nahi add kiya Pakistan tareekh kay nazuk tareen door se guzar raha hai humain mazi se sabaq lena chahiye Sadar ne load shedding ka sakht notice le liae aap kay masa'il foran hal kerne ki hidayat bla bla bla bla "
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I know politicians are not performing well. I mean in the umbrella of free and fair election politicians can perform well. Sincere politicians can be selected through free and fair election. Politicians then aware of the fact they will reject if they do not perform well. Dandlee system in Pakistan is responsible for unreliability of Pakistani awam on democracy.
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