Jinnah khan was not the only personality, who ppl make to bag the whole credit for the creation of Pakistan...he was a leader though and professed what people in favor of Pakistan wanted. But it has always been our problem since Jinnah saib is on the tip of Pakistani tongues since 1947,that we ignore what made him a real contributor to add his share to Pakistan movement ( more than multiple teamsssss work), Was it not the pro-Pakistan public who had different leaders from different fields and aspects of life, what about religious movements, what SSA Khan..i would say Jinnah forwarded the message of Sir.Syed.Ahmad KHAN. Jinnah saib was enough hardworking but i ask a question, if public were not favor of creation of Pakistan , as well as other leaders who were intellectual assets for Pakistan, had Jinnah siab any value or was able alone to push the ideology of Sir Syd Ahmad Khan.. our problem has always been that were monocular mostly, viewing a single aspect of most concerns , at-least political, as you only spotting Jinnah out of 4 crore population at that time , and that's the reason why the Pakistanis are lagging behind. At least Pakistan should have been a super for its military skills and tactics. but Alas ! the shit of context never favor and allow Pakistan to let out what Pakistan has on the bright side of state and show its real color.....
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Overall, we can say that this is totally wrong perception regarding that pakistan in came into existence for prospering secularism.

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The Ideological tussle among writers and historians on Jinnah had been quite confuse and this might be very big threat for the generations to come, As i understand the Secular word used for Jinnah is because of his western education, lifestyle and his liberal views on freedom of a nation. But he was a Muslim indeed i have listened to few speeches of Jinnah given to newly freed nation in which he said that now the residents of Pakistan are free to live their lives according to their culture,religion and social norms. he also added so many times that Muslims do not coward they do not loss courage in the times of hardship.

So, he will have to face accountability for his secular views but he gave us a state indeed and that's all.

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“Neither the Muslim League Working Committee nor I ever passed a resolution [called] 'Pakistan ka matlab kya' — you may have used it to catch a few votes,” said Quaid-e-Azam Mohammed Ali Jinnah when a Muslim Leaguer chanted this slogan at the last session of the All India Muslim League.

Unfortunately, the slogan-monger prevailed over Jinnah.

Those who believe in this slogan now dominate Pakistan. Those who remember what Jinnah said on this or other occasions can be counted on fingers.

The poem, “Pakistan ka matlab kya,” was written by a schoolteacher from Sialkot, Asghar Sodai. He lived a long life (Sept. 26,1926 – May 17, 2008) but never had any direct political influence.

Pakistan was created so that Muslims can freely practice the religion. In today's India, Muslims cant slaughter cows because the same Hindus feel bad about it. The second reason was that, Hindus were in Majority and Muslims in minority, so consequently, Hindus would be ruling us, as they are doing it now in India. The third point was to create self identity for Muslims! Even the Ulema-e-Karam has asked the Indian Muslims not to slaughter cows if it hurts the feelings of Hindus. The same group opposed the creation of Pakistan because they wanted to live with Hindus, so that they can enjoy the things too :P I just dont get the point that why the scholars rejected the creation of Pakistan ?
Man we are free, appreciate the freedom and if someone is not professing religion, its the duty of society and elders to educate him! Its not the duty of state to make people profess religion. State has many other things to do! Yes state must keep check on things like adultery and wine consumption in the streets..

My question to all of you is: Do secularism favors adultery, alcohol consumption and killing? Now do Islam favor killing of masses without any reason and consumption of alcohol? Secularism means that one shall have moderate approach toward things and have rational approach.. Similarly, Islam also stress on being moderate and rational approach towards everything. Islam seeks the middle path ... Islam do not favor the killing of Non Muslims, unfortunately, the Muslims have misinterpreted the religion themselves! We are responsible for it.. And thats why Non Muslims think that there is some problem with Islam.. The problem is not with the religion, the problem is with its followers..

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There can be no comparison between Islam and secularism because secularism in it's very definition rejects religion and religious considerations in it's entirety. Secularism only believes in rationale and only god in secularism is human intellect moreover it advocates "Free Will" which means if human is willing to drink or fornication he is all free to do so, provided, others are not disturbed by his acts. On the other hand Islam, contrary to it, condemns free will and replace it with "The Will Of God"

Others are obviously disturbed by the bad acts.. Even in west, you can play the music in loud mode.. The ethics they are following are similar to the injunctions of Islam! They are sincerely following ethics and, we, the Muslims don't follow the true religion. I think we will be more accountable on the day of judgement to Allah swt than Non Muslims because we know that Islam is true faith and still we are not following it in letter and spirit! Man religion favor ethics.. Religion is not against ethics.. The end goal of both religion and ethics is same..

Besides it, Secularism do not oppose ethics as well..

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Again, one canont compare ethics and religion, former is based on human intellect and latter is based on divine guidance. There are many practices in Islam which are considered unethical in non Muslim communities. Moreover, ethics is subjectve and Islamic injunctions(mostly) are objective in nature

We all favors utilitarianism and at the same time we oppose it too.. People are so confused.. Democracy is a concept that has been originated from the theory of utilitarianism.. But law of torts goes against the very concept of utilitarian.. See we favor it and at the same time we do oppose it ..

Allah swt says in quran that dont these people ponder over the creation of universe, stars, and moon. So Islam favors using intellect in achieving divine guidance.. Man from religion we have derived ethics.. I can quote an example as well.. Ethics and religion both oppose corruption!

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Ofcourse both concepts overlap but it doesn't mean they are one and the same thing! For instance, veil is considered ethical in Islam but same is considered unethical rather taboo in other communities. Ethics is a relative term and it's meaning and definition varies not only from country to country but also within country so in quintessence it would be naive to compare Islam or ethics in their literal sense.
Yes! We can use intellect to do Ijtehaad but there is always a limitation on it