A few days ago i came across a write up which asserted that, we as a nation, have deviated from the path Jinnah had envisaged for us. It said that Jinnah dreamt of a secular Pakistan, free from any sort of religious prejudice.
Many books, i have read argue that Pakistan was acquired in the name of Islam and thus was meant to be a true religious state while many others contend that the primary reason behind the Independence movement was to secure a state where muslims were politically free and thier social identity maintained and that religion was only secondary motive.
Need your views.
Dont you people think that this 'Ideology tussle' between Islamists and Seculars is the root cause of the current political and social turmoil in Pakistan?
Regards

Dear we donot need Islamists type of state nor we need a secular state . Our requirement is an Islamic state .


And i think you may have read Idea Of Pakistan by Stephen Cohen . In this book he has explained his views regarding failure of Islamic state of Pakistan , by taking Quaid-e-Azam M.A Jinnah as a secularist . But , i agree to him only to that much extent that we have not achieved an Islamic state . I donot agree that Quaid-e-Azam wanted a secular state . A state independent for Muslims doesnot mean secular state in any sense . It is about historians that how they give their view about a state .

Moreover , we have an example of Egypt . The main problem persisting in Egypt is a secular mind of the people that is not letting them to accept any government . I second the opinion of Islamic state , because it is a moderate term , neither more islamist type of state nor more secular .

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I think that a secular state in Pakistan is a solution to every crisis that we face today.It is because of conservative and orthodox mullahs that terrorism,extremism,Talibanistaion and sectarianism are threatening the very survival of our country.Europe,before Renaissance,remained backward because the state was sectarian and orthodox.Only when the state became secular,they experienced Renaissance,Reformation,Industrial revolution.And that is why I think our state should become secular,not orthodox.

I am not sure what Jinnah said about it. But what I think about why a state should be secular is :

(Mentioning only few points)

1. Minorities (Non-muslims) are not getting their rights. Take an example of a pre-engineering students who are hafiz-e-Quran. They get some additional marks in their entry test score that help them to get admission in institute while hindus and christian students who have memorized Gita and Bible are not given any additional marks in entry test score. This a RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION.
(This still happens in NED engineering university Karachi)

2. Non-muslims are not eligible to become president or prime minister of a country. Why is it so ? If India where hindus are in majority, can have Muslim as head of the state then why not Pakistan ?

Our state religion is Islam . Our population mostly consists of Muslims . So , how a non-muslim can become a President or Prime Minister . According to , i think , article 41 of constitution , 'Muslim' having age greater than 45 should be a president . It is because of rule of a religion and land .

If any non-muslim make it to the parliament then how much chances are there that other Muslim members will elect him as a president ? . Consequently , he will not be elected .

Moreover the main reason is the President in islamic state is considered to be the khalifa who will treat people according to the law of quran because he believe that this is the only complete just law in the world a non muslim will not do this justice because he dont accept quran as just law.. so he will do justice according to his own or people laws .. so the justice will not be done and if there is no justice there is no peace.


At the end , Islam is the best religion which provides justice to all minorities . Any other law or religion cannot provide that much justice and freedom to minorities than Islam . Actually , we are not following Islam in its real essence that is why we are facing problems .

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What about the discrimination faced by non-muslims stated above in first point?

Is it fixed that our vision of Pakistan, the way we govern it, is contingent on the way Jinnah envisaged it?

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It is neither a Pakistan of Jinnah nor Islamic State. It is a hell. We live in a jungle where there is no rule of law. Elites and dictators have been all in all. Mullahas have been killing innocent people in the name of sects and discrimination. Even our Father of Nation could not survive on the way while he was going hospital and passed away. our father of nation must be thinking and weeping like a wolf in a huge voice that why I made this country where people are ready to kill or be killed due to intolerance acts. This is the Pakistan that is based upon ideology of Islam. Indeed, it is existed on this ideology but the doctrine of Islam is no more. Our corrupt leaders are the best person, because before the masses they are seemed nice and sincere onces but behnd the curtains they have another face. This is neither Islamic state nor a place where humanity lies. It is a place where barbarous and warriors worth to live alive. Poor people are just nothing. They do not deserve to live alive in this kind of country. The best people are those who cheat, deceive and practice unfair means like our leaders. The biggest looters are our leaders who are sucking the blood of poor. Even the people who are poor does not worth to live alive because they are envolved in crimes, they do crimes, they snatch square bread. I must say, elites are the best one who pay Zakat, Namaz, Hajj. And the poor who are unable to do such things that means their conditions have always been like gloom and doom. You people are talking about democracy and islamization. They are just bookish things, the ground realites are very different, if a poor does not afford two times meal then how he can understand the philosophy of islamization. They just want to earn two times of meals and nothing else. However, first of all in our country there is a dire need of revolution. I was thinking about Imran Khan that he is the one can do some thing better, but unfortunately, he is also an imature leader like others. The best persons are those who have got oppertunities to go abroad to live in peace and prosperity. I see my country in dark ages, no one is tries to be patriotic, no one is ready to work for the beterment of our socity. Neither Mullah nor our politicians both are just playing a dirty game and that's the politics. If had our country united with india under the rule of British, then there would have been no discrimnation excpet two nation theory's concent. There would have been nor Kashmire issue neither Idopak wars and the millions of lives who lost their precious lives in wars, would have been alive. There would have been freedom like England. There would have been a strong democratic rule. There would have been liberty and freedom of every thing which are basic rights of human beings.

Well I dare say that Jinnah expressed mixed views in his various political speeches and both Islamists and Secularists attempt to drag Jinnah to their corner in order to make their stance more weighty. The fact remains that founding fathers of this nation were in a better position than later politicians to draft and enforce a full constitution and layout a path to follow for the nascent country, however they failed to do so. We are paying a price of the confusion which ensued their failure as it opened the way for power mongers to play musical chair around the seat of power of this country.

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Right. And as long as we continue to look for guidance for our polity from Jinnah, who was quite ambiguous, this debate will continue.

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