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There is a sizable Arab population already in Israel where they're participating in politics and they have earned a great deal of rights for themselves. You can check this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel Still a lot have to be done and left parties in Israel are working to do away with the Jewish fanaticism. And the video does not prove anything, we can take our children to a military exhibition and hear similar things from them about Indians. Things change like they changed in the US where racism was the default attitude of many people a few decades ago. Hamas is actually more a fundamentalist reaction to secular Al Fatah. Hamas like organizations are everywhere in the Muslim world where there is no Israel trying to occupy more territory. |
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I don't endorse any of that, including Zionism.
If you don't endorse Zionism will it cease to exist? by the way what do you think is the purpose of this discussion? “The man who refuses to judge, who neither agrees nor disagrees, who declares that there are no absolutes and believes that he escapes responsibility, is the man responsible for all the blood that is now spilled in the world. Reality is an absolute, existence is an absolute, a speck of dust is an absolute and so is a human life. Whether you live or die is an absolute. Whether you have a piece of bread or not, is an absolute. Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute. There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil. The man who is wrong still retains some respect for truth, if only by accepting the responsibility of choice. But the man in the middle is the knave who blanks out the truth in order to pretend that no choice or values exist, who is willing to sit out the course of any battle, willing to cash in on the blood of the innocent or to crawl on his belly to the guilty, who dispenses justice by condemning both the robber and the robbed to jail, who solves conflicts by ordering the thinker and the fool to meet each other halfway. In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit. In that transfusion of blood which drains the good to feed the evil, the compromise is the transmitting rubber tube.” ― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged |
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You brought up the problem of Zionism, so I only made it clear that I don't support it. The purpose of the conversation is to discuss possible solutions for the Palestinian problem.
As for the Ayn Rand reference, I don't know what you mean to imply by that. May be you can enlighten me. |
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how to counter zionism?
the reference was by mistake |
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I couldn't understand why Hamas isn't halting its rocket assaults on Israel despite death toll is increasing day after day. I know that there is a rivalry b/w Hamas and Mahmood Abbas-led govt, but they can settle the issue by the accord so that Palestinians could not be targetted. After all they themselves are a part of Palestine.
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I think an apartheid would be a safe expectation. You can read more in this article. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ziad-j...b_1638550.html Arabs living in Israel aren't very positive about state of Israel. You can have a look on the surveys given in the Wikipedia article. Exceptions can be there. Quote:
But not many of such organizations are an elected majority in Islamic countries. I tried to link Hamas's popularity to Israeli aggression not its existence. |
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Then let me rephrase my statement. Hamas have every right to fire rockets on Israel because it is Israel that have occupied their territory; Its Israel that have turned Palestinian's lives in a living hell holding them as prisoners in their own cities; Its Israel that have built Jewish settlements in Palestinian cities. And Hamas will be justified in attacking Israel as long as an over all settlement is reached; a settlement that includes Israel withdrawing form all the occupied territory that it currently holds. Only then we will be right in blaming Hamas for provoking Israel. P.S. The fact we and the world is talking about Palestinian issue owes to very provocations of Hamas. That's how oppressed do their struggle against the oppressor. |
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But in the end, both Israel and Hamas have contributed in making a terrible mess of the lives in Gaza. Recently a document was circulated on the internet written by a few young people from Gaza. It depicts the frustration of the people of Gaza with both Israel and Hamas. http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...to-palestinian An excerpt: "We barely survived the Operation Cast Lead, where Israel very effectively bombed the shit out of us, destroying thousands of homes and even more lives and dreams. During the war we got the unmistakable feeling that Israel wanted to erase us from the face of the Earth. During the last years, Hamas has been doing all they can to control our thoughts, behaviour and aspirations. Here in Gaza we are scared of being incarcerated, interrogated, hit, tortured, bombed, killed. We cannot move as we want, say what we want, do what we want." |
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yesterday a statement came from the Turkish Premier about the Israeli attacks on Gaza and he warns Israel of consequences he also asked the UN that why it was formed? for what purpose?. As we all know from the UN charter that UN was formed after the world war II to solve disputes among the member state and keep peace and stability in the world but now they have been failed largely that they can't prove their own charter. He also urged that what is Arab League and OIC doing for Palestine issue.
As UN is silent over the Israeli genocide of Palestinian and also the Muslim world too. Why the world is so indifferent in the issue of Palestine why they do not take such action like in the case of Ukraine that all the 7 powers took so serious action and suspend the membership of Russia from G-8 with respect to the issue of Ukraine. Israel always enjoyed western support specially from America since its founding in 1948. Israel have so strong lobby in US that they do not even speak against Israel and it always depends its attacks on the Gaza but on the other hand all the world are also silent specially the Islamic World why?
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