Solution of Palestine-Israel Conflict - Page 4

Chintoo2010 · #31 Saturday, July 19, 2014

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Originally Posted by mhmmdkashif

Population and area are not the sole determining factors for defining a state's power and influence, England a tiny island nation rose to dominate large parts of the world

. The jews struggled for this land since thousands of years. They faced exile, lived in foreign lands, faced persecution and massacres etc but still they maintained their nationhood and contributed greatly to the building of nation-states and modern world. Imagine how much they have learned in the fields of politics, economy and business, industry making, state building and military tactics. Still they face many internal challenges viz. the Jewish Question (whether they are a race or a religion or a people or what, kind of identity crisis, they are not as politically united as you would perceive as religious zionism has different goals than political zionism, revisionist zionism is altogether different and cultural zionism also hold different views

) and external challenges viz. hostility towards jews. Israel for atleast two times as far as I can know has come to face existential crisis; once during 1947 arab Israeli war and other perhaps during 1972 or something (after war of annihilation with Egypt, during youm kippur war or something when the US was not sending them supplies and help and they were ready to launch nuclear strikes if overcome by Egyptian forces). But anyways, the purpose of mentioning this is not to post a positive image of Israel or the Jews, because there is something very sinister about them indeed perhaps, but only to make it clear how a tiny nation is able to overcome all Arab mammoths, who only know tribal and sectarian warfare and nothing else

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As Hitler would say, this vampire the jew has sucked enough mass from the gentiles that now it is a giant on its own

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Then how the conflict can be solved????????

mhmmdkashif · #32 Saturday, July 19, 2014

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Then how the conflict can be solved????????

There seems to be no political solution of this conflict available at the moment or in any foreseeable future, however certain recent changes in the middle eastern political scenario indicate that the dynamics of the conflict will change now. No conflicts end until one conflicting party is victorious and other surrenders

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waqas izhar · #33 Sunday, July 20, 2014

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Originally Posted by mhmmdkashif

There seems to be no political solution of this conflict available at the moment or in any foreseeable future, however certain recent changes in the middle eastern political scenario indicate that the dynamics of the conflict will change now. No conflicts end until one conflicting party is victorious and other surrenders

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What are those changes in the middle easr?

mhmmdkashif · #34 Sunday, July 20, 2014

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What are those changes in the middle easr?

Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Libya are all in turmoil. Iran is supplying on too many fronts. Virtually Palestinian militants are desolate now and they get very little help and no one is there to stop Israel. It might even attempt occupation of Gaza this time which is unlikely but a probability is there.

khan00734 · #35 Friday, July 25, 2014

Palestine-Israel conflict is pretty wide and grave as one country gets birth within a country so this situation involves too many factors,by the way, i would say Hamas a Muslim fighting group based in Gaza must refrain of attacking Israel as they currently not at the position to retaliate and fight back defensively.

UNSC,ICC and International organizations working for human rights and territorial dispute resolution have to come forward to amicably solve territorial issues between both countries.

Muslims countries need to unite again and revamp their groups and organization and remake with clear aim and objectives to raise voice together.

Independent inquiry commissions to resolve tensions before war and attacking each other cities,this will clarify thw nature of crime and avoid such war like situation.

Buddha · #36 Sunday, July 27, 2014

An excerpt from the article whose thesis is Right wing militant Islamist groups are creation of Regimes who wanted to counter left wing opposition with them.

But keeping in mind the recent atrocious attacks and acts of brutality being committed by the Israeli military and air force in Gaza (supposedly against Hamas), rather interesting is the story of the founder of Hamas, the learned cleric, Shiekh Ahmed Yassin.

One could say that what the Israeli forces are going after is at least partially the product of their own smug creation. This is how: As Israel was going after leading radical Palestinian organisations in the early 1970s, such as the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) and other left-wing anti-Israel Muslim groups; it tacitly encouraged the emergence of some Islamic ‘charity’ organisations in Gaza.

The largest in this respect was founded by Sheikh Yassin in 1973 and was called, Mujama al-Islamiya. Yassin had been critical of the PLO and the Soviet Union but remained quiet about Israel, so much so that in 1979 the government of Israel formally recognised Mujama as a ‘legitimate charity organisation’.

In 1980 when Yassin fell ill, he was invited to Israel and treated in one of Tel Aviv’s finest hospitals. As the Mujama was allowed to build its seminaries in Gaza, PLO offices and leaders were continuously pounded by Israel.

Even when in 1984 a mosque in Gaza run by Mujama was raided by Israeli forces and a cache of arms recovered from there, Yassin was first arrested but then released after he convinced the Israeli authorities that the arms were actually meant to be used against the PLO.

By the late 1980s when the PLO, once the most powerful Palestinian movement in Gaza, was largely depleted by the combined attacks of Israel and the Mujama forces, Yassin changed gears during the 1987 ‘Intifada’ — a popular uprising against Israel in Gaza, first initiated by the PLO but eventually infiltrated and commandeered by the Mujama.

It was during the Intifada that Mujama evolved into becoming the Hamas. In 2004 the man the Israelis had nourished to counter the PLO and then treated at Tel Aviv’s finest hospitals, was assassinated by the Israeli intelligence agency with a Hellfire missile.

These are facts. What aren’t (so far), are new speculations now emerging in some sections of the Arab media, suggesting that there was a similar Israeli hand behind the creation of the extremist ISIS in Syria and Iraq.

This seems rather far-fetched, but with the kind of twisted faux pas, self-assured blunders and eventual monster-making practised by a number of supposedly anti-extremist strategists in the West, Israel and various Muslim countries, could they be committing their biggest blunder yet?

http://www.dawn.com/news/1121354/smo...-brother-enemy

waqas izhar · #37 Sunday, July 27, 2014

@ Buddha. article by paracha. do you think then that ISIS is jewish made?

Buddha · #38 Sunday, July 27, 2014

can you paraphrase what paracha wrote about isis?

waqas izhar · #39 Sunday, July 27, 2014

paracha is speculating that isis might be jewish creation. i am asking you. what do you think?

Buddha · #40 Sunday, July 27, 2014

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paracha is speculating that isis might be jewish creation. i am asking you. what do you think?

He mentions there are speculations -not facts- in the Arab media about ISIS being an Israeli (not Jewish mind you, but you don't see the difference of course) creation.

Well ISIS/Nusrah Front was funded by Qataris and Saudis against Assad/Iran/Hezbollah. Israel is against Assad and so are Qataris/Saudis. There have been diplomatic meetings between Qataris and Israelis.

If not the direct support of ISrael, it had Israel's tacit approval, but ISIS is going to bite back Israel as well as Gulf states which was the point of Paracha's article. That's what I think given we don't have enough facts.

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