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I think we should also consider the kind of demands made in protests. Impossible demands like the resignation of the PM don't very frequently succeed. Protests are certainly effective for more sensible reasons. The reasonable demands of PTI were accepted even before the march started, of course largely because of the fear of massive protests.
Yes we can do it here but common people would not read such things, they would see things differently and no one would be able to argue with them . You must be aware how hard it is to make sense of things before people, particularly in an environment where nothing is working in a real sense and we only have history to cherish and foreign countries to dream about . But anyways another aspect is also that people might learn the difference between 'sensible' and 'nonsense'
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Yes we can do it here but common people would not read such things, they would see things differently and no one would be able to argue with them . You must be aware how hard it is to make sense of things before people, particularly in an environment where nothing is working in a real sense and we only have history to cherish and foreign countries to dream about . But anyways another aspect is also that people might learn the difference between 'sensible' and 'nonsense'
Well, I'm not talking about common people. I'm only telling about the general outcome of these and other protests. Such protests do have a tendency to get violent but that is very rare. In this case, it might happen if Imran is assassinated or something (probability of which is little to none).

As for the difference, I'm sure people won't learn it. That's also just a general statement with no specific reference to this protest.
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Well, I'm not talking about common people. I'm only telling about the general outcome of these and other protests. Such protests do have a tendency to get violent but that is very rare. In this case, it might happen if Imran is assassinated or something (probability of which is little to none).

As for the difference, I'm sure people won't learn it. That's also just a general statement with no specific reference to this protest.
No you don't get the point. We simply cannot ignore the tendencies of common people by saying if they are violent they won't come out killing others, because if they are violent and can't get their frustration out they have the tendency to join militant insurgencies (notice son of AIG of police was involved in a militant activity) . Now this huge and prolonged protest certainly gives a message to a large number of people, with some of them seeing it as you can get your most non sensical demands through agitation and some seeing it as a failure of ik and some viewing it as a victory for ik. All these inferences are definitely going to have an impact on socioeconomic and sociopolitical behaviors of the people.
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The outcome of the protest will definitely have its impact, violent or non-violent (or both).
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Yeah exactly, the government has a real task on hand if it emerges successful out of this, but looking at NS they have the tendency to become arrogant and that is scary perhaps
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And he is also probably the dumbest PM we've ever had which makes his arrogance all the more annoying.
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And he is also probably the dumbest PM we've ever had which makes his arrogance all the more annoying.
What triggers my curiosity towards a 'violent future' is that TTP is monitoring this activity (they issued a statement as well ). Moreover if NS stays not just means IK and Qadri could not get it, it also means disappointment of the 'secret hands who brought them out'. And many other political groups, typically religious political groups who feel this system is westernized, have also learned about the soft spots. Combined with the level of confusion among common people, huge numbers of IDPs and flood affectees, there is a potential of another movement and this time it could seek violence if religious groups are involved. The government must not act arrogantly in the mean time and should focus upon the people instead of economy (as PML-N typically does), it appears there are bigger challenges ahead .

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The government must not act arrogantly in the mean time
by mean time I meant the waiting period after this particular dharna crisis ends . So far even this one is continuing and we don’t yet know it's outcome.
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That might happen. Our most urgent problem is the IDPs (other than the recent floods which some would call just another episode of 'azab' that only hits the poor) and with this circus going on in Islamabad, no one is really paying them much attention. Instead, banned outfits and radical organizations like JuD have been given free hand to deliver aid and take recruits. And while Imran is delivering disco sermons in the capital, ISIS is knocking on Peshawar but of course Khan sahab is all right with that because they are after all just 'our brothers'. He will negotiate with them even if they kill a few thousand people but won't negotiate with the elected government.
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That might happen. Our most urgent problem is the IDPs (other than the recent floods which some would call just another episode of 'azab' that only hits the poor) and with this circus going on in Islamabad, no one is really paying them much attention. Instead, banned outfits and radical organizations like JuD have been given free hand to deliver aid and take recruits. And while Imran is delivering disco sermons in the capital, ISIS is knocking on Peshawar but of course Khan sahab is all right with that because they are after all just 'our brothers'. He will negotiate with them even if they kill a few thousand people but won't negotiate with the elected government.
ISIS in Peshawar? source please?

and khan sahab has placed himself in a corner from where he cannot get out now.
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There you go, now altaf hussein speaks of injustices against muhajirs, division of sindh and musharraf and in the end crying 'rabta committee meri baat nahin maanti'. It suggests he also wants to do something for musharraf but rabita committee is not prepared for that
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