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waqas izhar Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:07 PM

Is there any fiqh or firqa regulation authority in the world? Who gave the lisence t these four gentlemen to define fiqh? What was so special about them? Could theyvhave not made a mistake?

To say that a particular fiqh has to be followed in its entirety doesn't make sense to me. what if the imams had mixed up their opinions about particular ayah?
On the gates of hell or heaven the angels aren't going to checkbany passports. They will see whether the amaal nama is in right hand or left. And that depends on the decision of Allah.

Every human being is khalifa tul ard. Every human being is a prince. Allah's soul has been breathed into every human being. Every human being is answerable for their own deeds. There will be a group in hell who, when asked why they are in hell, will reply that because they blindly followed their predecessors.

If someone asks you about your religion. Say it is humanity. If they are not satisfied ask them about their religion and show polite interest.

Maulana rumi used to bow seven times to a christian evertime they met. If that doesn't open your eyes then good night :)

RAO RAMEEZ Sunday, December 21, 2014 01:31 PM

[QUOTE=waqas izhar;790297]Is there any fiqh or firqa regulation authority in the world? Who gave the lisence t these four gentlemen to define fiqh? What was so special about them? Could theyvhave not made a mistake? [/QUOTE]

Even Prophets hadn't any license.(At least the type you demand)
To know what was so special about them you need to consider history of Islam generally and Islamic Jurisprudence specifically.
What mistakes for example?
[QUOTE]To say that a particular fiqh has to be followed in its entirety doesn't make sense to me. what if the imams had mixed up their opinions about particular ayah? [/QUOTE]

Finally, you have to follow some one. Even in terms of understanding the most basic thing the Quran. You need to understand what was the context of Ayahs etc. Direct consultation will lead you to more ignorance.
Like yesterday one Hindu asked me that Ayah number 178 of Surah Baqrah is the cause of Peshawar attack.
[QUOTE]On the gates of hell or heaven the angels aren't going to checkbany passports. They will see whether the amaal nama is in right hand or left. And that depends on the decision of Allah. [/QUOTE]

You want every Muslim after birth to study every thing from zero first?
Do you think every Muslim is capable to understand even the teachings of religion? How a persian, britisher is supposed to follow religion?
You will answer me, the translations? And which translation then?
And you will answer me learn arabic. Do you know one word of Holy Quran has 10 meanings and applying different meanings change the meaning of the texts?


[QUOTE]Every human being is khalifa tul ard. Every human being is a prince[/QUOTE].
Yes, every one. Who is a drunk, rapist , plundrer etc but not only the pious ones. But off course as you said who are we to judge. Extrapolating the thought will lead to release of all the culprits from the Jails.

[QUOTE]Allah's soul has been breathed into every human being.[/QUOTE]

Elaborate this thought a bit.

[QUOTE] Every human being is answerable for their own deeds. There will be a group in hell who, when asked why they are in hell, will reply that because they blindly followed their predecessors.[/QUOTE]
No body is telling you to follow blindly. Have some research and find the right one or the one you think is nearer to good conscience.

[QUOTE]If someone asks you about your religion. Say it is humanity.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Maulana rumi used to bow seven times to a christian evertime they met. If that doesn't open your eyes then good night :)[/QUOTE]

I did n't understood here. You want us to be a Humanity Lover like Rumi or you are telling us his act was not according to Islam?

If you want us to follow Rumi then he was himself a Hanafi.

If you want us to not follow Rumi then see what you have said by yourself

[QUOTE]Allah's soul has been breathed into every human being.[/QUOTE]

If my Religion is humanity then Loving the Humans to such extent should be the height of such religion.

If your religion is Humanity then you should be the biggest follower of Rumi then???? :)

BTW at that times Wahdatal Wajood was present among Suffis, which was abolished by Mujaddid Alif Sani to Wahdatul Shahood. Due to it's somewhat wrong practises by Fake Suffis.
( I hope you will not say Who gave License to Alif Sani, what he has done? What he was? etc etc answering in advance Agar Mujaddid na hotey to shyd aj hmara official deen "Deen-e-Akbari hota, for further details consult the history)

I will not debate on this further even. Few things are ought to remain hidden, rather than exposed publicly. :) I'll only give advice to all.
Never restrict yourself to any religion, sect even while researching. And research open heartedly leaving your prejudices and pre-occupations aside.

"Ilm mo'min ki gumshuda meeraas he, jahan se bhi mile, le lo".

waqas izhar Tuesday, December 23, 2014 11:25 AM

@ rao rameez

If quran has ten meanings let's explore them all. Why do we restrict ourselves to only four?

If math can be learned from zero ang english from alphabet a, why can't the quran?

And yes all rapists etc are khalifa tul ard.

The quran is not the property of muslims only. It is a message for all mankind.

And if some things can't be stated publicly then will you please mail me. I will be highly obliged :)

Infact I just mailed you

RAO RAMEEZ Wednesday, December 24, 2014 09:27 AM

[QUOTE=waqas izhar;791677]@ rao rameez
If quran has ten meanings let's explore them all. Why do we restrict ourselves to only four?[/QUOTE]

Actually these four "discussed" what is the background of which meaning and what is nearer to other meanings, thus opting which is the nearest.
However,nobody forced to follow him. Imam Malik did not approached one by one every Muslim, it's the Muslims who approached them.Nobody restricting you. When people feel their own interpretations are getting wrong, they seek some intelligent ones, who are also most pious ones among them.
And the most intelligent and pious among the scholars are those who doesn't speak according to their "Nafs". And people reckoned that, so they followed them.

[QUOTE]If math can be learned from zero ang english from alphabet a, why can't the quran?[/QUOTE]

If you start learning without a teacher or some guide(any book or any person, divine), you will end up learning even the basics of your mentioned science subjects in 30-40 years. :)
If there is some guide then you can reach the solutions more swiftly.
Now there is the problem brother. Islamic Jurisprudence like living organism, nurtured for 1400 years, and you want to put it back to 1st year. There is nothing good in it.

[QUOTE]And yes all rapists etc are khalifa tul ard. [/QUOTE]
So, if a rapist comes to you and try to impose upon you his own meaning of Quran and Sunnah, you will accept? He will try to justify his rape with the same texts. (This rapist can be you, yourself, and Yes the Lust can lead you towards extracting your own version of Islam) This is what exactly happened throughout the history of Islam.Nothing survived. And what survived is the "Sawad-e-Aazam".

[QUOTE]The quran is not the property of muslims only. It is a message for all mankind.[/QUOTE]

Do you know what harm did the interpretations of Orientalists brought to Islam?
They interpreted Quran,Hadith and Islamic History, with their own prejudices, which lead to eruption of confusion among both the Muslim and non-Muslim masses.
Yes, for following, Quran is for ALL. For guidance, as well. And you see now. People who speak about the religion "Humanity" are the admirers of Maulana Rumi. And are researching on him. :)

[QUOTE]And if some things can't be stated publicly then will you please mail me. I will be highly obliged :)[/QUOTE]

I just seen your post here today :). I will mail you finally in detail. I can't leave this thread vulnerable to any misconception it brings among the common people. I want it to be replied. If you read this thread completely, then may be there will be no further misconception left in you.
And I don't want someone saying in his life, that a question was asked, but it was n't replied, so I am victorious with my "dilemma".
People usually stop searching about truth, when they feel, nobody has/had answers or answered their questions, they start living in their own circle of conceptions.

[QUOTE]In fact I just mailed you[/QUOTE]

Yes, I will post you what I have at least.

Finally, I haven't much time to spare for it.
If any volunteer can come, then please. Or the thread should be closed, with an answer, not a question :).


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