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The Festival of Love was one of the festivals of the pagan Romans, when paganism was the prevalent religion of the Romans more than seventeen centuries ago. In the pagan Roman concept, it was an expression of “spiritual love”.
There were myths associated with this pagan festival of the Romans, which persisted with their Christian heirs. Among the most famous of these myths was the Roman belief that Romulus, the founder of Rome, was suckled one day by a she-wolf, which gave him strength and wisdom.
The Romans used to celebrate this event in mid-February each year with a big festival.
One of the rituals of this festival was the sacrifice of a dog and a goat. Two strong and muscular youths would daub the blood of the dog and goat onto their bodies, then they would wash the blood away with milk. After that there would be a great parade, with these two youths at its head, which would go about the streets. The two youths would have pieces of leather with which they would hit everyone who crossed their path. The Roman women would welcome these blows, because they believed that they could prevent or cure infertility.
The connection between Saint Valentine and this festival:
Saint Valentine is a name which is given to two of the ancient “martyrs” of the Christian Church. It was said that there were two of them, or that there was only one, who died in Rome as the result of the persecution of the Gothic leader Claudius, c. 296 CE. In 350 CE, a church was built in Rome on the site of the place where he died, to perpetuate his memory.
When the Romans embraced Christianity, they continued to celebrate the Feast of Love mentioned above, but they changed it from the pagan concept of “spiritual love” to another concept known as the “martyrs of love”, represented by Saint Valentine who had advocated love and peace, for which cause he was martyred, according to their claims. It was also called the Feast of Lovers, and Saint Valentine was considered to be the patron saint of lovers.
One of their false beliefs connected with this festival was that the names of girls who had reached marriageable age would be written on small rolls of paper and placed in a dish on a table. Then the young men who wanted to get married would be called, and each of them would pick a piece of paper. He would put himself at the service of the girl whose name he had drawn for one year, so that they could find out about one another. Then they would get married, or they would repeat the same process again on the day of the festival in the following year.
The Christian clergy reacted against this tradition, which they considered to have a corrupting influence on the morals of young men and women. It was abolished in Italy, where it had been well-known, then it was revived in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, when in some western countries there appeared shops which sold small books called “Valentine’s books”, which contained love poems, from which the one who wanted to send a greeting to his sweetheart could choose. They also contained suggestions for writing love letters.
Indeed, Islam is the religion of altruism, true love, and cooperation on that which is good and righteous. We implore Allah Almighty to gather us together under the umbrella of His All-encompassing Mercy, and to unite us together as one man. Allah Almighty says: (The believers are naught else than brothers. Therefore make peace between your brethren and observe your duty to Allah that haply ye may obtain mercy.) (Al-Hujurat 49: 10)
Focusing more on the question in point, I can say that there are forms of expressing love that are religiously acceptable, while there are others that are not religiously acceptable. Among the forms of love that are religiously acceptable are those that include the love for Prophets and Messengers. It stands to reason that the love for Allah, and His Messenger Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) should have the top priority over all other forms of love.
Islam does recognize happy occasions that bring people closer to one another, and add spice to their lives. However, Islam goes against blindly imitating the West regarding a special occasion such as Valentine’s Day. Hence, commemorating that special day known as the Valentine’s Day is an innovation or bid`ah that has no religious backing. Every innovation of that kind is rejected, as far as Islam is concerned. Islam requires all Muslims to love one another all over the whole year, and reducing the whole year to a single day is totally rejected.
Hence, we Muslims ought not to follow in the footsteps of such innovations and superstitions that are common in what is known as the Valentine’s Day. No doubt that there are many irreligious practices that occur on that day, and those practices are capable of dissuading people from the true meanings of love and altruism to the extent that the celebration is reduced to a moral decline.


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Mujhe commixing of genders ke muamle main jo ulema kee baaten hain in main thori confusion hai. Main ulema kee baatoon ko sirey se reject nahin karta, magar roohani tor pe kaha jaata hai ke kis insaan ko duniya main aana hai, woh kahan paida hoga, us ke parents kon honge, kon kon se couples duniya main banen ge waghera yeh sab cheezen Allah (SWT) ne pehle se te kee hui hain. Jab ke dunyavi tor pe yeh muamlat jis tarah se ho sakte hain us muamle main ulema kaa nazariya behad sakht hai aur woh yahan tak kehte hain ke "jins-e-mukhalif" ko aik nazar parne ke baad doosri baar dekhna tak haram aur "daira-e-islam" se ikhraj ke nazdeek gunah hai . Ab agar dekhna tak gunah hai to yeh sab jo Allah (SAW) ne pehle se te kiya hua hai woh kis tarah khush asloobi se mumkin ho sake gaa?? Koi specific examples to is silsile main dee jaa sakti hain ke kuch Allah ne nek bandoon ne is tarah se yeh muamlat niptae waghera, magar aisi cheez ko poori society ke liye kis tarah se workable banaya jaa sakta hai??

I know this is not the rite place to initiate such things, but still, I would like to see how member of this forum opine about it .
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Mujhe commixing of genders ke muamle main jo ulema kee baaten hain in main thori confusion hai. Main ulema kee baatoon ko sirey se reject nahin karta, magar roohani tor pe kaha jaata hai ke kis insaan ko duniya main aana hai, woh kahan paida hoga, us ke parents kon honge, kon kon se couples duniya main banen ge waghera yeh sab cheezen Allah (SWT) ne pehle se te kee hui hain. Jab ke dunyavi tor pe yeh muamlat jis tarah se ho sakte hain us muamle main ulema kaa nazariya behad sakht hai aur woh yahan tak kehte hain ke "jins-e-mukhalif" ko aik nazar parne ke baad doosri baar dekhna tak haram aur "daira-e-islam" se ikhraj ke nazdeek gunah hai . Ab agar dekhna tak gunah hai to yeh sab jo Allah (SAW) ne pehle se te kiya hua hai woh kis tarah khush asloobi se mumkin ho sake gaa??
Yeh sab shadi k baad mumkin husaky ga like our forefathers did. Magar ap apni pasand se shadi karke bi parent ban saktay hain by following moral obligations set by our Deen. (Its quite simple).

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I think there is no harm in attributing a single day for "love" if observed with in certain limits, traditions and norms.Opposition only on the grounds that its a western idea ,in my opinion, amounts to myopism. Certain quarters, especailly the low lieterate mullahas and religious organisations oppose any thing new introduced in our social life.They have distorted the very essence of the great religion, islam.If we follow their understanding of Islam, then our females should veil their faces, TV etc should be prohibited, coeducation has no compatibility with islam and so on.....i read somewhere that when initialy loud speaker was introduced in Sub continent , many Mullahs said that saying azan on this device is "KUFR,Biddat etc.

We have restricted islam to appearances, dogmas, rituals etc and have forgotten the very basic thing ,the conscious.Islam is something that make you feel inside.It is religion of love and peace.In subcontinent , the sainst and soofis advocated love and peace not only co religious but for the entire humanity.This was the reasons that millions of people entered in Islam.
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We have restricted islam to appearances, dogmas, rituals etc and have forgotten the very basic thing ,the conscious.Islam is something that make you feel inside.It is religion of love and peace.In subcontinent , the sainst and soofis advocated love and peace not only co religious but for the entire humanity.This was the reasons that millions of people entered in Islam.
Mem,do we practice/express that "Love" which was promulgated by sufis on 14th feb? Just visit Parktowers or Forum Mall in Karachi. You will get realistic answer.

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This day is celebrated by those who are victim of xenocentrism, who want to be more western than the west itself because they feel ashamed of their own culture. These kind of people have an inferiority complex about their culture and feel easy while intimating others ignoring catastrophies of this act of them. Our religion and our traditions does not allow us to behave like the way people behave on accasions like this so these kind of festivals should be discouraged collectively.

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I think there is no harm in attributing a single day for "love" if observed with in certain limits, traditions and norms.
in Islam, talking and meeting with Namehrams is strictly prohibited and these days "this day" is being celebrated mostly by those who are some one special for each other means no dogmatic relation they have in between them, than how a day can be celebrated with certain limits, tradition and norm..?


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Opposition only on the grounds that its a western idea ,in my opinion, amounts to myopism. Certain quarters, especailly the low lieterate mullahas and religious organisations oppose any thing new introduced in our social life.They have distorted the very essence of the great religion, islam.
West need us to stay away from our religion and their all acts are as per their own need, which kept us away from our religion and the basic knowledge of Islam is Extremism for them and as they are succeeded in surrounding our thoughts with their beliefs, we too think that what our scholars or as u used Mullahas told us is extremism and they are myopic.

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If we follow their understanding of Islam, then our females should veil their faces, TV etc should be prohibited, coeducation has no compatibility with islam and so on.....
If you observe with open mind than unveiled faces resulted in acts which spoiled the society and make it bad...i dont think i need to tell you the examples what resulted in because of unveiled faces...you r smart enough to understand that and coeducation too have lot of disadvantages and it is purely unislamic...

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i read somewhere that when initialy loud speaker was introduced in Sub continent , many Mullahs said that saying azan on this device is "KUFR,Biddat etc.
i think u use KUFR or Biddat wrongly...as
KUFR means Not to admit the oneness of Allah...whereas
Bida'at means make something a part of religion which is in real not...
and if u read this in forum i too read that where this was quoted for explaining resistance to change...


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We have restricted islam to appearances, dogmas, rituals etc and have forgotten the very basic thing ,the conscious.Islam is something that make you feel inside.It is religion of love and peace.In subcontinent , the sainst and soofis advocated love and peace not only co religious but for the entire humanity.This was the reasons that millions of people entered in Islam.
that doesnt really mean that we start celebrating the Valentine's day as our religion is of Love and peace......Islam is definitely something that make u feel inside but that doesnt mean that we let our woman unveil their faces..and promote coeducation just to prove ourselves civilized and modern......

May be we succeed in making ourself Modernize and civilized in this world but on the day of judgement we will find ourself standing (like in Stone age) having nothing in our Hands....

MAY ALLAH GIVES US BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF ISLAM
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there is no concept of valentine day in islam at all....anybody that justifies it or tries to justify is totally wrong from all aspects of islam...that is not da day of love..it is simply a day to spread vulgarity in society and every body knows the outcome of this day...Only vulgarity spreads nothing else..the money we spend on flowers and gifts,we can better use it for poor patients,poor people and for handicapped people...

the sainst and soofis advocated love and peace not only co religious but for the entire humanity BUT THEY DID NOT SPREAD VULGARITY AND DID NOT INTRODUCE ANYTHING THAT CAUSED VULGARITY.
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