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Zarah Khan Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:32 PM

Where should I complain about the misbehavior of a public-transport-vehicle's driver?
 
I am 25 years old woman living in Punjab Pakistan, and I often travel using the public transport.

I have often observed the staff (drivers, conductors etc.) of public transport vehicles misbehave with passengers (use abusive language etc.), especially women. I try to communicate with them as least as possible, but they often misbehave with other ladies, even old women. Moreover, I do expect that this can happen to me as well some day. So I want to do something about it.

So who do they come under? In case of misbehavior with another person, is there something I can do? In case this happens to me, what can I do about it?

We are citizens of a democratic state, so I do think that the law of Pakistan provides us a right to be dealt with in a respectful way. So what are my options in this regard, where can I complain? And if I do, can it be dangerous for me in any way?

Thanks in advance.

Muhammad Bilal Butt Saturday, September 12, 2015 07:54 PM

You can't do anything because there is no such department established which could solve these kind of issues. It happens everywhere all across the Pakistan, you just have to bear it without involving yourself into it as you know that staff mostly is uneducated so how come you expect a good behavior from them. We are living in a so called democratic country where there is no such thing(Law) exists, where ordinary people can't do anything and can't even fight for their basic right.

RMKamran Saturday, September 12, 2015 08:47 PM

[QUOTE=Zarah Khan;861608]I am 25 years old woman living in Punjab Pakistan, and I often travel using the public transport.

I have often observed the staff (drivers, conductors etc.) of public transport vehicles misbehave with passengers (use abusive language etc.), especially women. I try to communicate with them as least as possible, but they often misbehave with other ladies, even old women. Moreover, I do expect that this can happen to me as well some day. So I want to do something about it.

So who do they come under? In case of misbehavior with another person, is there something I can do? In case this happens to me, what can I do about it?

We are citizens of a democratic state, so I do think that the law of Pakistan provides us a right to be dealt with in a respectful way. So what are my options in this regard, where can I complain? And if I do, can it be dangerous for me in any way?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

Aoa,

ALLAH forbid, in case of any misbehave, give a call to [B]0800-933-72 [/B]. It's a toll-free number to address women harassment. The service has been introduced in collaboration with the 'Enhanced Democratic Accountability' and 'Civic Enhancement (EDACE) and IBEX Global.'

Moreover, go the following link to register online complaint on Chief Minister secretariat complaint cell:

[url]http://www.cmpunjab.gov.pk/OCC/UI/OnlineComplaint.aspx[/url]

This is another website of Punjab Police for online complaint submission:

[url]http://punjabpolice.gov.pk/ecomplaint[/url]

Don't ever bear any kind of misbehave and beyond limits gestures. You should reply with more courage so that it may clear to such people that you can defend yourself. You can also complain to police personnel and give bus/van registration number in case of any misbehave. In this way that culprit will be arrested.

Always refuse to be a victim, stay safe..

[QUOTE=Muhammad Bilal Butt;861650]You can't do anything because there is no such department established which could solve these kind of issues. It happens everywhere all across the Pakistan, you just have to bear it without involving yourself into it as you know that staff mostly is uneducated so how come you expect a good behavior from them. We are living in a so called democratic country where there is no such thing(Law) exists, where ordinary people can't do anything and can't even fight for their basic right.[/QUOTE]

I strongly disagree with you. How could you let such inglorious people to do whatsoever they want to do ? Don't you think our silence could be dangerous and it makes them more confident ? No, certainly not at all ! We should have to fight against such garbage. God help those who help themselves. If you bear injustice and pain, then you are equally responsible of all those crimes, unlawful and forbidden acts done by them.

You wouldn't have here if your forefathers had bear the fierce blows of the British and the Hindus. So, always fight against offence. Silence and forbearance will make you an easy prey to barbarians. :)

Regards.

Muhammad Bilal Butt Saturday, September 12, 2015 10:02 PM

@ RM Kamran
You have a right to disagree with me. It is quite easy to say such words on forum or suggest someone to do something but in practical life it is not as easy as it seems if someone goes for it. Practical world is far away from "you should do this, you should that". And the lecture which you have just given to me is something which I am 100% sure, you are not doing/following yourself.

I myself have used public transport a lot. Lakin ab mein kis kis ki complain karon. Har teesra wagon walay ka rawaiya yehe hota hai. Yani k mein apnay career ka qeemati time in fazool kamo pey laga don jis ka koi faida nai hai... Ab aap bhi koi social worker tou nahi nai ho bas forum pey aa kay chand aachi aachi batein kar dein aur practical life mein kuch bhi nai. jo lecture diya hai mein ap sey sawal karta hon k aap kitna ku ye chesin follow kartay ho apni practical life mein. Ya phr forum pey he just batein kar saktay ho es taran ki??

"You wouldn't have here if your forefathers had bear the fierce blows of the British and the Hindus"

Instead of using YOU and YOUR, you should have used WE and OUR. And by the way who are you to speculate about my fate? It's me and my forefathers who are you to comment on them.

RMKamran Saturday, September 12, 2015 10:50 PM

[QUOTE=Muhammad Bilal Butt;861692]@ RM Kamran
You have a right to disagree with me. It is quite easy to say such words on forum or suggest someone to do something but in practical life it is not as easy as it seems if someone goes for it. Practical world is far away from "you should do this, you should that". And the lecture which you have just given to me is something which I am 100% sure, you are not doing/following yourself.

I myself have used public transport a lot. Lakin ab mein kis kis ki complain karon. Har teesra wagon walay ka rawaiya yehe hota hai. Yani k mein apnay career ka qeemati time in fazool kamo pey laga don jis ka koi faida nai hai... Ab aap bhi koi social worker tou nahi nai ho bas forum pey aa kay chand aachi aachi batein kar dein aur practical life mein kuch bhi nai. jo lecture diya hai mein ap sey sawal karta hon k aap kitna ku ye chesin follow kartay ho apni practical life mein. Ya phr forum pey he just batein kar saktay ho es taran ki??[/QUOTE]


Lol. Why should I follow it bro ? :D For your kind information, I haven't faced any kind of harassment and Alhumdulillah nobody can dare do that and if he does so, he shall have to pay for it. I can defend myself by all means. Suma Alhumdulillah !

R bhai sb, apko kisi ne ni bola k ap apna precious time hr van waley ki islah ma lagao, but, jo apko tang kry ya nuqsan ponchana chahey, tw ap agr chup raho gy ya dosro ko bardasht krny ka mashwara dogey tw socho society ma kya hoga, ALLAH ne taqat ata farmaee ha zulm sehney wala zulm krny waley sy ziada gunnahgar hota ha.. The point is, be a man to fight against such bad people. At least, agr ap khud ni defend kr sakty tw dosro ko chup rehney ka galat mashwara tw mat do na.
R jaha tk apne kaha k ma just batein kr ra ho, tw dear In shaa ALLAH TALA, CSP bn kr practical steps b loga in sb logo k against jo harass krty ha, bus ALLAH PAK muje moqa ata faramaiy. Ameen sumameen.

[QUOTE=Muhammad Bilal Butt;861703]"You wouldn't have here if your forefathers had bear the fierce blows of the British and the Hindus"

Instead of using YOU and YOUR, you should have used WE and OUR. And by the way who are you to speculate about my fate? It's me and my forefathers who are you to comment on them.[/QUOTE]

Don't be offended bro. I didn't mean that. Yes, I should have used 'we' and 'our'. I admit my mistake. But, my point is that silence and forbearance can kill a person so he should resist, never ever lose heart and always defend himself till his last drop of blood.


Cheers !!!

Stay blessed.

Hamidullah Gul Saturday, September 12, 2015 11:29 PM

Every other person using the public transport face the same problem, i have been engaged in altercation with them many times, for myself, and for others as well, but "wo sub aise hen, banda kis kis se laray?", online complaints are just of no use, only developing a website and asking citizens to register complaint there is an easy way of publicity, but no follow up is there for these sort of complaints. Transport authorities can ameliorate this menace, there is a need for social and media campaign against this. community organizations must come forward. govt is ignoring this issue. both genders equally face harassment there, we have to do something about it. these drivers, conductors can easily be taught how to talk to and deal passengers, just an hour workshop would be enough. but karay kon? organizations can work for "work place harassment" but not for public transport harassment, they can work for interfaith tolerance but not for social tolerance. media can highlight this issue for sure. besides, yeah, we must register compliant, we must not keep silent at least.

Muhammad Bilal Butt Saturday, September 12, 2015 11:48 PM

@RMKamran
[B]"I haven't faced any kind of harassment and Alhumdulillah nobody can dare do that and if he does so, he shall have to pay for it. I can defend myself by all means"[/B]
Mein phr ap ko yehe kahon ga k bhai be practical itna zaida jazabati honay ki zarorat nai hai, aur ye jo chese hai na "I can do so an so" ye itni aasan nai hoti har banday k liye. Ho sakta hai k ap PM k kuch khas hon, Ho sakta hai k ap k pas itni power ho tou ap ko ye zaib dey sakta hai... lakin panchon ungliyaan brabar nai hoti har baday ko apna condition daikh k step uthana parta hai.

[B]"ALLAH ne taqat ata farmaee ha zulm sehney wala zulm krny waley sy ziada gunnahgar hota ha.."[/B]
Aur ap ye baar baar kun quote kartay ho... baat tou public transport ki shroo howi thi aur ap ne zulm ki baat shuroo kar di... Allah ne tou aur bhi bohat kuch kaha hai jo mein aur ap aur baqi saray follow nai kartay...

[B]The point is, be a man to fight against such bad people[/B]
Ap ne kitni asani sey keh diya hai even if you have never been into any such situation where you had to be a man. mera question hai k ap ne apni zindage mein "MAN" ban k kitna contribute kiya hai?? Apnay liye tou banda asani sey stand ley laita hai lakin maza tou tab hai na jab aap logon k liye stand ley....

[B]In shaa ALLAH TALA, CSP bn kr practical steps b loga in sb logo k against jo harass krty ha, bus ALLAH PAK muje moqa ata faramaiy[/B]
Yani k CSP banay bagair ap kuch nai kar saktay...... aur yehe chese mein bhi ap ko samjanay ki kosis kar raha tha... k aik aam banda ye chesein badal nai sakta..... aur ap ne khud he mention kar diya apney comment mein k CSP ban k he kuch ho sakta hai waisay nai.
90 percent jo select hoty hain wo select honay sey pahlay esi taran ki batein kartay hain... agar civil service ne pay back kiye hota tou kuch nazar bhi ata. aye din bureaucrats ki corruption k reports ayi hoti hain... power aur authority milnay k bad sab ka attitude change ho jata hai.

Anyway, Allah ap ko CSP banaye aur ap un 10% mein sey hon jo k awam ki khidmat karein.

RMKamran Sunday, September 13, 2015 12:21 AM

[QUOTE=Muhammad Bilal Butt;861741]@RMKamran
[B]"I haven't faced any kind of harassment and Alhumdulillah nobody can dare do that and if he does so, he shall have to pay for it. I can defend myself by all means"[/B]
Mein phr ap ko yehe kahon ga k bhai be practical itna zaida jazabati honay ki zarorat nai hai, aur ye jo chese hai na "I can do so an so" ye itni aasan nai hoti har banday k liye. Ho sakta hai k ap PM k kuch khas hon, Ho sakta hai k ap k pas itni power ho tou ap ko ye zaib dey sakta hai... lakin panchon ungliyaan brabar nai hoti har baday ko apna condition daikh k step uthana parta hai.

[B]"ALLAH ne taqat ata farmaee ha zulm sehney wala zulm krny waley sy ziada gunnahgar hota ha.."[/B]
Aur ap ye baar baar kun quote kartay ho... baat tou public transport ki shroo howi thi aur ap ne zulm ki baat shuroo kar di... Allah ne tou aur bhi bohat kuch kaha hai jo mein aur ap aur baqi saray follow nai kartay...

[B]The point is, be a man to fight against such bad people[/B]
Ap ne kitni asani sey keh diya hai even if you have never been into any such situation where you had to be a man. mera question hai k ap ne apni zindage mein "MAN" ban k kitna contribute kiya hai?? Apnay liye tou banda asani sey stand ley laita hai lakin maza tou tab hai na jab aap logon k liye stand ley....

[B]In shaa ALLAH TALA, CSP bn kr practical steps b loga in sb logo k against jo harass krty ha, bus ALLAH PAK muje moqa ata faramaiy[/B]
Yani k CSP banay bagair ap kuch nai kar saktay...... aur yehe chese mein bhi ap ko samjanay ki kosis kar raha tha... k aik aam banda ye chesein badal nai sakta..... aur ap ne khud he mention kar diya apney comment mein k CSP ban k he kuch ho sakta hai waisay nai.
90 percent jo select hoty hain wo select honay sey pahlay esi taran ki batein kartay hain... agar civil service ne pay back kiye hota tou kuch nazar bhi ata. aye din bureaucrats ki corruption k reports ayi hoti hain... power aur authority milnay k bad sab ka attitude change ho jata hai.

Anyway, Allah ap ko CSP banaye aur ap un 10% mein sey hon jo k awam ki khidmat karein.[/QUOTE]

haha it's funny to see your weird counter arguments :D

[B][SIZE="3"][COLOR="Blue"][I]"It's better to live one day as a lion than hundreds years as a coward..."
[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]
Anyway, I'd say ameen for your prayer. Secondly, ma ne apny liay e stand leny ki bat ki, jo apne Ms. Zarah ko kaha k logo ki galia r cheap gestures bear kro bardsht kro os bat pr kaha k bardasht krna si ni is sy logo ki himat bhrti ha. g si kaha apne k maza tb ha jb bnda logo k ly stand ly, but ap tw dosro ko bear krny r chup rehny ka bol ry ho r keh muje ry ho k ma logo k ly stand lo. dear IAT apki ye wish b puri krdoga time any do.

"system" change krny ki bat CSP bn kr is ly k tb mere pass power hogi, but abi ma at least khud k ly tw kuch kr e sakta ho in case of any misbehave Alhumdulillah, ALLAH ne itni himat r resources diay ha k I can better defend myself.

Regarding the corruption of CSP officers, I have nothing to do with it but ye zaror kahoga k hr insan barabar ni hota. jo log system ka part bnty ha woi corrupt ho jaty ha r kuch CSP's Punjab Food Authority ki director operations Ms. Ayesha ki tarah b hoty ha jo himat sy haram khaney k khilaf crack down krty ha, I wish to become that CSP, IAT ameen.

Lastly, ap mera zahir r batin ni janty jo apne kaha k ma ALLAH PAK k baqi Ahkamaat ni manta. You are nobody to judge my faith. So, you are certainly not supposed to pass comments on it !!!

Stay blessed.

Last Island Sunday, September 13, 2015 12:42 AM

@ Muhammad Bilal Butt

Aap sara din hari mirchain chabatay hain kya? Her waqt aag bagola kyun rehtay hain? Andaz dheema rakhain apna.

Muhammad Bilal Butt Sunday, September 13, 2015 12:42 AM

[B]Lastly, ap mera zahir r batin ni janty jo apne kaha k ma ALLAH PAK k baqi Ahkamaat ni manta. You are nobody to judge my faith. So, leave it.[/B]
Yes you are right that who I am to judge your faith. But you didn't read my comment properly. I have included you, I and every other to make my argument general.
Jis taran "Jhoot" sey roka gaya hai.... lakin aaj kal k doar mein koi aisa nai ho ga jis ne zindage mein khoot na bola ho. Hala k Jhoot sey bhi tou roka gaya hai... esi taran bohat sey ehkamat hain jo hum log follow nai kartay .... Ab har koi "wali Allah" tou nahi ho sakta. Wo mein ne generally kaha tha ap ko point out nai kiya tha.

Mein ne miss zahra ko es liye kaha tha k avoid getting into that mess. Because keechar mein paon rakhnay sey apnay uper bhi keechar parta hai.

[B]It's better to live one day as a lion than hundreds years as a coward..."[/B]
You are just proving that you are loin and others who have a difference of opinion with you are cowards. otherwise there was no need to quote this line, and it was out of context.

Muhammad Bilal Butt Sunday, September 13, 2015 12:50 AM

[QUOTE=Last Island;861748]@ Muhammad Bilal Butt

Aap sara din hari mirchain chabatay hain kya? Her waqt aag bagola kyun rehtay hain? Andaz dheema rakhain apna.[/QUOTE]

G behtar. Asal mein es mulk k logon ne baray ghum diye hain, es lia mera mood aksar kharab he rehta hai... mein peechlay 5 saal sey apnay life k tough tenure sey guzar raha hon... ab halka phulka sa bhi mein argue nai kar sakta just to make myself a bit calm. :( But I will try to behave here exactly what moderators want me to behave.

Last Island Sunday, September 13, 2015 12:57 AM

[QUOTE=Muhammad Bilal Butt;861752]G behtar. Asal mein es mulk k logon ne baray ghum diye hain, es lia mera mood aksar kharab he rehta hai... mein peechlay 5 saal sey apnay life k tough tenure sey guzar raha hon... ab halka phulka sa bhi mein argue nai kar sakta just to make myself calm. :([/QUOTE]
5 saal? Ho sakta hai jis se aap is andaz main baat ker rahay hon, wo 10 saal se tough life guzaar raha ho. Aap her kisi ki koi na koi kahani hai. Koi dukhi nazar na aaye to yeh matlab nahi keh usay koi dukh hi nahi hai. Aksar loag koi na koi jung lar rahay hotay hain. Apnay andar ki karrwahat is tarah logon pe nahi undailtay. Dukh, sakhti, aazmaish insan ko narm bananay k liye hoti hai. Husn e sulook behtar hai, werna khamoshi afzal hai.

Muhammad Bilal Butt Sunday, September 13, 2015 01:11 AM

[QUOTE=Last Island;861753]5 saal? Ho sakta hai jis se aap is andaz main baat ker rahay hon, wo 10 saal se tough life guzaar raha ho. Aap her kisi ki koi na koi kahani hai. Koi dukhi nazar na aaye to yeh matlab nahi keh usay koi dukh hi nahi hai. Aksar loag koi na koi jung lar rahay hotay hain. Apnay andar ki karrwahat is tarah logon pe nahi undailtay. Dukh, sakhti, aazmaish insan ko narm bananay k liye hoti hai. Husn e sulook behtar hai, werna khamoshi afzal hai.[/QUOTE]

Yes I am almost agree with what you have said. Waisay mein ne koi karrwahat nahi undaily lakin ap ko agar lagta hai wo karwahat thi tou mein ab nahi undailon ka karwahat dobara.

Dosra ye key ap discriminate tou na na karein 2 members k darmayan... Ap ne unhay tou kuch nai kaha saray teer ap k muj pey he chalay hain :(

Last Island Sunday, September 13, 2015 01:15 AM

[QUOTE=Muhammad Bilal Butt;861754]Yes I am almost agree with what you have said. Waisay mein ne koi karrwahat nahi undaily lakin ap ko agar lagta hai wo karwahat thi tou mein ab nahi undailon ka karwahat dobara.

Dosra ye key ap discriminate tou na na karein 2 members k darmayan... Ap ne unhay tou kuch nai kaha saray teer ap k muj pey he chalay hain :([/QUOTE]
Un ki baton se aap ko ikhtalaf ho sakta hai lekin un ke na lehja barhum hai, na andaz main teekhapun. Aap ki baton per bhi unhon ne koi sakht baat nahi ki. Is liye unhain main kuch nahi keh sakti.

Muhammad Bilal Butt Sunday, September 13, 2015 01:26 AM

Okay right. I understood.

sincere khan Sunday, September 13, 2015 10:43 AM

this is the fault of your foolish government, they completely failed to delivered the good governance. The Nawaz and shebaz sharif are like a Mafia, the police department is also responsible for this, they used police department for their own purposes. it will be better for all of you, if you stand up against them

RMKamran Sunday, September 13, 2015 09:31 PM

[QUOTE=sincer khan;861789]this is the fault of your foolish government, they completely failed to delivered the good governance. The Nawaz and shebaz sharif are like a Mafia, the police department is also responsible for this, they used police department for their own purposes. it will be better for all of you, if you stand up against them[/QUOTE]

Agreed. We should stand up and strive to reform the system and shouldn't "bear" it too at any cost. At least, at this point of time, we can do so on individual level.

[QUOTE=Muhammad Bilal Butt;861749][B]Lastly, ap mera zahir r batin ni janty jo apne kaha k ma ALLAH PAK k baqi Ahkamaat ni manta. You are nobody to judge my faith. So, leave it.[/B]
Yes you are right that who I am to judge your faith. But you didn't read my comment properly. I have included you, I and every other to make my argument general.
Jis taran "Jhoot" sey roka gaya hai.... lakin aaj kal k doar mein koi aisa nai ho ga jis ne zindage mein khoot na bola ho. Hala k Jhoot sey bhi tou roka gaya hai... esi taran bohat sey ehkamat hain jo hum log follow nai kartay .... Ab har koi "wali Allah" tou nahi ho sakta. Wo mein ne generally kaha tha ap ko point out nai kiya tha.

Mein ne miss zahra ko es liye kaha tha k avoid getting into that mess. Because keechar mein paon rakhnay sey apnay uper bhi keechar parta hai.

[B]It's better to live one day as a lion than hundreds years as a coward..."[/B]
You are just proving that you are loin and others who have a difference of opinion with you are cowards. otherwise there was no need to quote this line, and it was out of context.[/QUOTE]

I don't want to be in a religious debate with you so leave it bro. Allah knows the best who follows His commandments.

Not at all bro, I shared that quotation just to make you realize that we should not bear any kind of misconduct and strictly address it. It's far better than to react manfully and give a blow to such people rather bearing their barbarianism and insulting own's dignity and self-respect..

How could you say that she should avoid them ? It means a girl should not do anything for her protection ? bhai agr asia honey lagey tw koi b larki mehfoz na rahey. Jo jitna chup rehta r zulm bardasht krta tw zamana osko utna e dabata. It's very wrong approach. Sorry to say, but let me say this, agr Ms. Zahra ki jaga apki family members hoti tw ap unko avoid krny ka mashwara na dety. bto it's not a "kichar" it's hell so rather falling in it, each one of us should resist, react and fight with courage. :)

Let me share a hadith: Agr tm ma sy koi zulm hota dekhy tw hath sy rokey, iski taqat b ni rakhta tw zuban sy rokey, iski taqat b ni rakhta tw os buraee ko dil ma bura janey r ye tmhary eman ki sb sy kamzor nishani ha.

Jb Rasool-e-Pak (S.A.W.W) ne dosro pr zulm rokny k ly ye irshad farmaya ha tw apny upar zulm kaisey bardasht kea ja sakta ha ? Quran-e-Pak ma b aya ha k "ay Muslmano ! apni jano pr zulm na kro"

jb apni jan pr zulm krny sy man farmaya gya ha tw kis tarah dosrey ka zulm bardasht kea jaiy ? We are living in a democratic country and enjiy the freedom of expression. To what extent it's democratic is another debate, but, here the point is we should never ever allow others to play with our emotions and torture us either mentally or physically.

akhir ma ma bus itna e kahoga k dear, mardangi zulm k khilaf lazman istamal krni chahiay warna aisi mardangi ka achar dalna ha jis sy ap khud ko defend na kr sako :D

Good luck and stay blessed.

Regards.

Muhammad Bilal Butt Monday, September 14, 2015 12:56 AM

@RMKamran
How funny, you associate mardangi with zulm. I literally don't know what do you think of "mardangi". Raising voice against atrocity is fine, but I don't get the idea of "Mardangi". Mardangi is a word which is still unclear to me. So how do you define a "mardangi" in this context, is it a physical power or what? I want you to response on it.

RMKamran Monday, September 14, 2015 12:08 PM

[QUOTE=Muhammad Bilal Butt;862157]@RMKamran
How funny, you associate mardangi with zulm. I literally don't know what do you think of "mardangi". Raising voice against atrocity is fine, but I don't get the idea of "Mardangi". Mardangi is a word which is still unclear to me. So how do you define a "mardangi" in this context, is it a physical power or what? I want you to response on it.[/QUOTE]

Oh really ? You 'literally' don't know :blink: :D :pp I have naive on your innocence if the thing "mardangi" is unclear to you :laughing

Well, though it looks fishy yet it seems you have cracked the rest of the nut and agreed what I said in my last post. :dd

Haha you yourself have countered your argument. Listen up boy !! Atrocity and "zulm" are similar words. It refers to evil, crime, barbarianism etc. If you don't know the meaning, then it's useless to confuse yourself and pass a weird comment. Having said that, so far "mardangi" is concerned, it's your will to fight against evils prevailing in a society and defend yourself as well as your loved ones. It's definitely not limited to physical power, you can show your mardangi through voice and pen as well. I didn't mean to blow that man's head off who threats you or does anything silly with you but at least you should be able to defend yourself by all means. You should react to show deterrence.

I think I have done with your question. Additionally, it's a suggestion that please broad your vision and be optimistic. :)

Stay bold :pp

Mashaaal Monday, September 14, 2015 03:18 PM

come on kamran and bilal,, this forum is not a platform for counter arguments,, last island in me plz dosti karwa dain:pipe warna LOC wali situation hujani hai yahan :nono

Last Island Monday, September 14, 2015 03:24 PM

In main dosti nahi ho sakti. One is a victim of dukh & tough tenure and the other one, of mardaangi. Dil ki bharaas nikalay baghair dono nahi reh saktay.

RMKamran Monday, September 14, 2015 10:40 PM

[QUOTE=Mashaaal;862302]come on kamran and bilal,, this forum is not a platform for counter arguments,, last island in me plz dosti karwa dain:pipe warna LOC wali situation hujani hai yahan :nono[/QUOTE]


There is no personal clash b/w us. I don't know even know him. But, I believe discussion is the best way to clear differences and understand the viewpoints of others. But, if someone doesn't agree on your stance, then it's better to leave rather wasting your time. :)

[QUOTE=Last Island;862304]In main dosti nahi ho sakti. One is a victim of dukh & tough tenure and the other one, of mardaangi. Dil ki bharaas nikalay baghair dono nahi reh saktay.[/QUOTE]

Nobody is victim here mam. It's just the matter of personality differences. Everybody has its own way of perceiving things and that's how personalities are meant to be.. r dil ki bharas at least ma tw ni nikal ra. I just wanted to guide Ms. Zahra as she wanted to know how to address any misbehave with women. apne b agree kea k bilal offended ho ry tey and I was cool from the beginning and will be because I don't take things on my nerves. :)

Regards.

Muhammad Bilal Butt Monday, September 14, 2015 11:01 PM

You know why I used atrocity because I had been agreed at that point aur mein ne haan mein han milaney k liye kaha k humein apni awaz buland karni chahye zulm k khilaaf, so there was no need to make me understand what zulm and atrocity meant.

And there was no need to laugh and do haha hehe huha over my question of asking you to describe what mardangni was. I wanted you to explain and you did, rest haha hehe huha was unnecessary.

Everyone thinks uniquely, and has their own angle of looking at things, that doesn't mean that their vision is not broad. But you wanted to prove that you have a broader vision than mine, as if you have an instrument to gauge others' vision that's why you suggested me.

Neither I take nor I give suggestions which question one's traits of the personality.

I would not like to say to you "stay bold", rather I would like to say to you "Stay Blessed".

Tehseen Baber Monday, September 14, 2015 11:09 PM

[QUOTE=Zarah Khan;861608]I am 25 years old woman living in Punjab Pakistan, and I often travel using the public transport.

I have often observed the staff (drivers, conductors etc.) of public transport vehicles misbehave with passengers (use abusive language etc.), especially women. I try to communicate with them as least as possible, but they often misbehave with other ladies, even old women. Moreover, I do expect that this can happen to me as well some day. So I want to do something about it.

So who do they come under? In case of misbehavior with another person, is there something I can do? In case this happens to me, what can I do about it?

We are citizens of a democratic state, so I do think that the law of Pakistan provides us a right to be dealt with in a respectful way. So what are my options in this regard, where can I complain? And if I do, can it be dangerous for me in any way?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
The only thing you can do is to take stand, Women are most respectable entity in our society. If one is misbehaving with the women, he/she should at least take stand on it. Why we don't take stands on such things? because, they are not our family members, sisters, mothers etc. Kindly, if anyone find such case he/she should stop it. Sitting quiet is also a crime.

Muhammad Bilal Butt Tuesday, September 15, 2015 12:01 AM

[QUOTE=RMKamran;862513]There is no personal clash b/w us. I don't know even know him. But, I believe discussion is the best way to clear differences and understand the viewpoints of others. But, if someone doesn't agree on your stance, then it's better to leave rather wasting your time. :)



Nobody is victim here mam. It's just the matter of personality differences. Everybody has its own way of perceiving things and that's how personalities are meant to be.. r dil ki bharas at least ma tw ni nikal ra. I just wanted to guide Ms. Zahra as she wanted to know how to address any misbehave with women. apne b agree kea k bilal offended ho ry tey and I was cool from the beginning and will be because I don't take things on my nerves. :)

Regards.[/QUOTE]

Yes there is no personal clash between us, and I don't even know you too buddy!. Despite of not knowing me still you preferred to let me know that you disagreed with me over here. Talking about your first comment.

You were cool from the beginning, and you said that you didn't take things on nerves. aur ap apni barhas bhi nai nikal rahay(also said above). Wow a round of applause for you!!! If what you said, was true, then you would not replying to each of my comment that I made.

RMKamran Tuesday, September 22, 2015 04:36 PM

[B][COLOR="Blue"][SIZE="4"][I][CENTER][SIZE="3"] I am posting this a bit late. Well, this is to inform you people that we both are friends now on Facebook. So, please do not regard us rivals of each other. Cheers !!! :bow[/SIZE][/CENTER][/I][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]


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