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take a break
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it seems a easy going way to LOVE But take a break L O V E Let me explain L--L Let love fill your heart instead of hate. When hate is in your heart, there's room for nothing else, but when love is in your heart, there's room for endless happiness. O--o Open your eyes and take in all the beauty around you. Even during the worst of times, there's still much to be thankful for. V--ve Value the friends and family members who've supported and encouraged you, and be there for them as well E--e Explore and experiment. The world has much to offer, and you have much to give. And every time you try something new, you'll learn more about yourself. what are u thinking about my analysis? can u Differentiate human love As I'll remember you not as the one who broke my heart, but as the one who taught me how to love." |
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L-O-V-E is beyond limit of words
@ m_suhail
Wasalam ... .... ....i am sure every body (including me) ll help u the way u want us help u out for css. u can ask whatever u want to know about css but janab at least ask relevant questions in relevant section. here we are discussing a hot thread, we ll really appreciate if u could add to our discussion. hop u must enjoy ur stay at css forum. @ irum wow...... i liked the abbreviation style but u asked in the end abt differentiating human love. I did not get the point u are asking in it. i think u wanted to say that can u differentiate human love from this abbreviation? if it is like this then i must say that love is beyond the limit of words, we can add good stuff as much as we can. Thanks Regards
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AoA,
@impossible Thanks dear for the complement (philosopher), but Khuram won’t be content on that. He’ll have a bunker buster logical attack on me. But don’t worry I’ll try my hard to win the battle. @Hira : thx dear for supporting my points. Regards
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@khuram
Guru g, tussi te bunker buster attack kar ditta, koi dassay rabba mein karhay passay jawaan, mein manji kithay dhawaan? Well, Mr. Ootpatang, I was missing the onboard presence of a fugitive enemy, but you have proven your self a good replacement of Mr. Deputy Commissioner. (Mr. Deputy Commissioner! If you are being informed directly or indirectly about my combat with Mr.Ootpapatng you can contact me to have a round table conference for the negotiable solution of the matter or you can also join his army. Since I’m still hoping your onboard landing) Well Mr.Ootpatang, again I’m having a series of conflicts with you. Here it goes. Quote:
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Thnx
@ Qurratulain
Wsalam.......1st of all i would like to say thanks for the medal of appreciation. I am really honoured. I am feeling so glad to have this medal. You people appreciated me in a best way. I liked the way u are discussing and elucidating this issue. @ Khuram I think Khuram just want to stretch the issue, its ok. Let him keep on doing so, otherwise this issue will die without resolving. Keep it up Khuram but dont tease Qurrat as she is calling u an Ootpatang. Never mind Let us see how u convince us this time. Hope u will avoid ambiguous statements like our democratic leaders do. lolz Thanks Regards
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where our mazhab teaches this kinda love?
guys and gals, you all sound way smart but at the same time have no clue what are you talking about! baba love is pure its not hanky panky. if you all into "larka larki ik dosray kay bhaighair zinda na rah sakian wala love" then is nothing but hilarious..i m not proving here anything but what i m saying is what i have been reading here ( i have notice here that ppl are well aware of realities and know-how of their mazhab and what it teaches us...then where this kinda love comes from??? can anyone of you prove that our mazhab teaches this kinda wrong doing...or vice versa? how one can differentiate wrong doing and right doing? why people hide this kinda love to others??? or for that matter if they marry someone else then why they hide or other people advise them not to disclose what you were doing before marriage(or involved w/ someone else cuz its not right its not permissble in our mazhab..this thing only leads to gunha....if you disagree w/ me then what is pardha? and why its compulsory? what is hiya? ) i m 101% sure none of you agree but then everyone has to answer her/his ammals.....
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Hopefully i cleared your points.. If something is left 'impossible' and 'Khuram' are there to entertain you with the rest of the philosophy of love. Regards
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Riposte
@ smartanalyst
u are talking about useless things. I always appreciate Islam because it is a modern religion and allows positive changes. Only Islam is able to resolve this sort of issues. I have tried to elucidate with in limits of Islam the Gr8. I am sure about that. i can elucidate it in a better way but i think this much explanation is enough because already Qurat tried to convince u in a proper way. @ Qurat Riposte...just lovely......u have responded the questions bombarded by smaranalyst in a superb way. i really liked it. there z nothing to add. may b Khuram would like to chi chat with smartanalyst becuse he always use to point out something where there is nothing to chit chat....kidding ...never mind Thanks Regards
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@ Miss Muskan
"Aqal ko tanqeed sai fursat nhi Eishq pai aamal kii buniaad rakh" Your 'Tanqeed' on philosophy and politics is critically very critical....!!! Actually love has inspirations for all positive looking people. You cannot say that 99% people never experience love. To find love in life is the desire of majority people. Everyone of them would want to find the pure love but with the passage of time or as a result of many influential aspects of practical life, sooner or later most of these people would ultimately find themselves among the class of 99% people. This is what they did not want but exactly this is what actually happens with them. Ultimately they have to change the priorities of their lives and so their love declines with time. Even those people who never surrender before practical matters may or may not find their love. But in either case they save their original love from declining with the passage of time... They have more determination and association with their original priorities and commitments... So they prove themselves to be the true representatives of the world of emotions -- which is commonly not understandable to practical minded people... These people may suffer losses also ... but they really promote the beuties of world. @ Impossible.. Actually Ms. Qurat knows that I am part time King of all the Ootpatang people of the world. I had won election of kingship of Ootpatangs with heavy mandate. Shall you give me vote next time...??? But first you will have to prove that you are also ootpatang... ... Non-Ootpatangs are not entitled to vote.. Anyway, yes you are right .. People do sacrifice love for family... These people are among those who originally wanted to find pure love but at the end find themselves included in the class of 99% people... These are the realities and we must accept realities also. @ Irum Nice analysis...! @ Smartanalyst I think we, unlike common ppl, are not taking Jokes just for the sake of Jokes... We are trying to improve our understanding about a social and pyshological phenomenon... @ Qurratulain Quote:
Consider your following words: "The differentiation of negative and positive emotions is possible only when a person is thinking practically (hosh)." And the proper opposite of 'hosh' is 'be-hoshi' and NOT 'josh' Hosh and Josh can exist together but 'hosh' and 'be-hoshi' cannot exist together... So I was not wrong in discussing the implications of 'be-hoshi'. My real fault has been that I missed to discuss anything about 'Josh'... Quote:
First of all ... Just like Miss. Muskan, you are not considering 'declined' love as 'love' at all... Whereas I have shown above that they also wanted to be loyal and commited to the original love... But circumstances of real practical world would change their priorities also.. You cannot consider these people as complete emotionless. Your following statement is not clear: "In my opinion emotional approach will be to ‘try to have his beloved through any way available’. While practical approach will be to find those hidden ways and strategies by which he can have his beloved." I think that you are considering both 'emotional approach' and 'practical approach' as pro-love forces... which adopt different means with the view to achieve the common end i.e. love.. But you have not properly differentiated between those different 'means'... Your 'emotional approach' as well as 'practical approach' are talking about single type of means ... i.e. "through any way available"....and... "hidden ways" .... And there is no essential difference between these two types of means... Because "through any way availble" can include "hidden ways" also... My point of view is different from yours in that I consider 'emotional approach' as a pro-love approach ... whereas 'practical approach' as a sort of materialistic or selfish or non-loyelty type of approach ... and so as 'anti-love' approach.. Previously I had explained my point of view in terms of 'hosh' vs 'be-hoshi'. Since you have pointed it out, so now I am going to explain my point of view in terms of 'Hosh' vs 'Josh' Remember that you had taken 'practicality' as 'hosh' and 'emotions' as 'josh' ... In this sense ... there is no conflict between 'practicality' and 'emotions'.. In this discussion, it was I who first had compared between 'practicality' and 'emotions'... And I had used these terms in conflicting sense... Then in your reply ... you also should have used these two terms in conflicting sense ... but mistakenly you have taken these two terms as non-conflicting... I also have shown that you also could not bring any real difference between your non-conflicting 'practicality' and 'emotions' because your 'hosh' and 'josh' has no real or 'essentia' difference between them.. Now my point of view regarding 'Hosh' and 'josh': Since you have applied these terms in non-conflicting sense... So I am also taking these terms in non-conflicting sense... In my opinion, in the non-conflicting sense, a lover should not just be practical (in positive sense = hosh) but ... when it comes to love ... then one should be emotional (josh) also... I try to explain it with example: Consider a lover who is just practical and not emotional.. He realizes that practically it is very difficult to achieve his love. Since he is practical minded, so he would decide to not go after love and in this way would save himself from many difficulties and troubles.. In this way, he would just opt an easy way for him. Now consider another lover who is practical minded in his routine life but also becomes emotional as a result of finding himself in love. In this case, his 'emotional' attitude would be that now he would not care for any difficulties or hurdels which are in the way of achievement of love. Now he would do all the POSSIBLE efforts with the view to achieve love.. He would not opt just easy way for him... He shall become emotional (in positive sense) and shall try to remove or to overcome all the difficulties of his way. If the achievement of love was within possibility, though how much difficult it was, then most probably this positive emotional lover would successfully achieve his love. But if the achievement of love was quite out of possibility, then this emotional lover may not be successful. Now consider still another lover who is just emotional but not practical... What he shall do..?? If he is less emotional, then he always shall listen to sad songs ... since he shall not do any practical effort.. If he is more emotional, he can become singer of sad songs ... or can become an unsuccessful lover poet.. If he is still more emotional and still less practical, then he would tear up his clothes and would go to jungles and deserts... Quote:
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Simple meaning of 'intention' is what we want to do... At first instance, this term gives the sense that what we now want to do, we always shall want to do the same... But if you try to look somewhat deeply, the term 'intention' only suggests what NOW we want to do... More precisely ... in case of idea of 'evergreen' love .... We NOW want that love shall always be evergreen... At a later stage, we can want to do something else. Intention of keeping the love evergreen is basically a commitment... Commitments need reinforcement... Commitments need continuous revivals ... Continuous re-commitments ... again and again re-commitments for the survival of the original commitment. If any of these factors is missing... then any intention ... including the pure intention of keeping love evergreen... CAN BE CHANGED OVER TIME. Quote:
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There was nothing ambiguous in that... Lover was doing some sacrifices which he never told to beloved ... because true sacrifices are only those which are never told to beloved... What would be the 'sacrifice' by the beloved...???? Beloved should understande those sacrifices at her own... If she understands without having been expessively told, about the sacrifices of lover, and acknowledges those 'sacrifices'... this 'acknowledgement' would be her sacrifice for lover.. Even she does not understand ... just acts in a manner as if she is acknowledging the sacrifices (which may or may not be there in fact) .. of lover ... this type of acknowledgement by her would be another great sacrifice by the beloved...
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crude crashin !
AoA.
There is a story which I heard in my child hood, and I m sure that many of u have heard it. Btw, it goes like this: Once there reported a quarrel b/w two men. The court called both up. The matter was that 1 person erected a peg beside a well and the other one plucked it out. This gave rise to a steamy conflict b/w the two, and ended up in a quarrel. The qazi asked the first one : y u erected the peg ? He replied: Just for the sake of a passer by, if he stops for a drink, then he can easily tie up his animal with it. Then the qazi asked the other one: y did u pluck it out ? He replied: I thought that if someone comes in the darkness of the night, then he could get hit by it and stumble and fall into that well. The qazi said: Since I cannot find any of the two guilty, so liberate them both. Moral : “Innamal aamaal O’ bin neyyaat-e” Deeds are dependant over will The reason of giving this example is crystal clear that no action is good or bad, it is the essence of the will which makes it so. Since difference of opinion is the spice of life, i.e y some like blue, some red, some ….. something else. So here is the crux : It is easy to discuss off things like this in even much greater length and depth, but it is really hard to put one’s self in other’s shoes. Since we do not know authentically that what the person has got on his mind(I am talking about that friend of iMpOsIbLe who do not marry). May be he feels himself fixated at that point by heart and he feels that he wont be able to love someone else upto the level. So what’s the point in marrying a girl whom he cannot love? It is like spoiling her life too. Secondly it could be his family setting, it also could be an emotional blackmail, or…there could be so many reasons about it. Since I really do not know that guy and his problems, so I will not like to say a word in his favor or against. But certainly, there arises a question that “what sort of benefit that troubled person is getting out of our this philosophical discussion?” Last but not the least, we do, almost all agree to the statement of impossible’s e-mail that “only time verifies true Love”. No points against. we unanimously agree upon it. But there is a little suggestion for u impossible, i.e. replace the character of knowledge by wisdom because what I personally think, in my own limited point of view is that knowledge is just something we know but wisdom is something by which we understand. Knowledge is just like a lens and wisdom is the vision. Take it as a knife, which can be used to cut off a throat or also can be used to carve a shape out, or to slice up some groceries for a “real nice MEAL”(hmmmm boy I m feelin hungry!). I hope that u people don’t mind my crashin in, even if u do, I couldn’t care any less about it !!! Take care u all, of not only urself… Allah Hafiz ! |
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