Well i must say u didn't see the whole story of Dr. Ghulam sarwar, he made a hydrogen hybird car which totaly feasible and acceptable by all scientist and engineers but again its not the first time it has been mad,, as Aga waqar is concerned his claims are based on lies and he is nothing but a fraud..

@All participating in this thread.

Post all sorts of video links properly.Use of regional language is not allowed in the forum generally and in any sort of discussion particularly.

Refrain from getting personal and sharing contact information through posts.

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Today's capital talk show was literally a slap on the face of biased and discriminate scientists of the country.
Inventors do not need to have good communication skills to proof their inventions. We have seen many non Matric scientist who changed the scope of science by coming with new practicals and examples.
Have a look on the following clips;

I feel pity for Dr. Attar ur Rehman.

Yesterday's capital talk.

One's talent should not be subjected to discouragement. Agha Waqar said a number of times in his statements that the idea of making water kit came in his mind due to prevalent energy crisis however he would work for Pakistan rather than for any other private sector. Although, he has been contacted by different countries yet he is determined enough to do something for Pakistan. Hence, before passing a comment over ones invention our scientists should thoroughly investigate the matter.

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Galileo, the scientist, had said that "THE EARTH REVOLVES THE SUN" and he was house-arrested.

Ibne-Rashid was stoned, spitted and killed.

Atom was known as the smallest particle. Now, Democritus theory is rejected. Because, it isn't the smallest.

Hundreds of laws and theories are made wrong. What if Agha makes wrong other's scientists' theories?

Why every time is the talent in the Pakistan demoralized?

Ok. Have our scientists seen and investigated his experiment? Then, why one speaks ill having not seen?

Ok. For the sake of argument. He is a fraud. But, why is he being called by other countries?

Everything is possible. We never believe the thing which we have never seen. 5 decades ago people would have laughed at, if someone had said, "WE CAN GO AT MOON."

We have theory of relativity. Science tries to make it experimentally. But, we don't believe that it can be.


Talent should be encouraged.

If it becomes, it will be great thing. It will have a slap on world's economy. Isn't it?

Well. He should be appreciated and moved forward.

Examine him, let it be proven that he is wrong or correct.

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After reading all these posts i am amazed why this step taken by Agha Waqar is so criticized. What wrong he has done.

If he has tried to make a water kit engine, is he wrong?
Was his intention wrong?
did he wanted to harm anybody?

There is a chinese quotations that
"A long journey starts with a small step"

and if i am not wrong, this small step has been taken by Agha Waqar.
If the kit which he has made now is not properly practicable, is this not possible that may he make another kit working properly. or may not he or any scientist get any idea out of it?????????????
Alas to those who discourage this great if not invention, the idea.
Salute to Agha Waqar.

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It is criticized because several other individuals who made such claims in the past finally landed in jails over charges of investment fraud, magar Pakistan main to fraud ke baad banda president ban jaata hai . saamp kaa dasa hua rassi se bhi darta hai , magar lagta hai majority gandhi ke principal ko follow kar rahi hai, saamp aik per pe kaate to doosra per bhi aage kar do .

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SWOT Analysis of Water-Fueled Cars: A New Dimension to Reshaping Global Economy

Author: The writer is a freelance columnist and a student of Mass Communication at NUST Business School.

PKKH Exclusive | By Rafi Imran Amjad

Background:

Yes, it is Pakistan again this time consolidating its controversial position as a promising democratic country endeavoring to restructure the pillars of the state; a nuclear state calling for world-wide peace; promising the spark of innovation in its intelligence quotient; managing its feeble economy amidst the war on terror being played on its very ground; and aspiring to control its energy crises that have prevailed for over half a decade now.

A Pakistani of a middle class background has engineered a fuel production “device” for cars, a fuel kit that consumes distilled water and produces Hydrogen through the process of electrolysis. Having gone through experimentation in other countries in a variety of ways, the idea has eventually struck a local experimenter; it is being claimed by the designer to be a novel product, ‘first of its kind’ with innovations never tried before.


Facts:

Running a car with water as a fuel has always been a longed-for dream in the modern economy. Keeping in mind the increasing hike in the international oil prices, people have been working on finding alternative sources of energy. A Pakistani engineer, Agha Waqar Ahmed claims that he has succeeded in running a car with distilled water as a fuel.

Agha Waqar is a Pakistani engineer who holds a diploma and a B.tech degree from Government College of Technology Khairpur, Sindh. The middle aged man has been working on his project for the past 3 years. His “water kit” has been running successfully for more than a year now. The water kit he and his coworkers have made is a small device attached in the car that separates the hydrogen from water and supplies it to the engine.

Strengths:

Agha is not the first one to work on this kind of a project. Many scientists from around the world have been working on running a car on water. Stanley Meyer, an American, made the water fuel cell and claimed that his apparatus can run any automobile through water. However, he was declared fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996. He died mysteriously after dining in a restaurant on March 21, 1998. According to an encyclopedia, conspiracy theorists insist that he was poisoned to suppress the technology, and that oil companies and the United States government were involved in his death.

In 2002, Denny Klein, again an American, claimed a similar innovation and applied for a patent that claimed he had discovered a new property of water, naming it HHO instead of H2O. Surprisingly, Agha has been found using the same term in one of his interviews. Denny could not proceed much in his discovery, but it is evident that he used water to make a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gas, the two gases that constitute water.

The Japanese have been working on similar projects too, a company named Genepax did the same and failed in 2009. The cause of their failure is not known as they did not reveal their technology.

Daniel Dingel of Phillipines and a Srilankan engineer once made the same kind of apparatus but never came into limelight. Daniel and many others were subject to fraud cases and were snubbed immediately.


Weakness:

Agha Waqar, a Pakistani inventor, will face many challenges like the previous people did. At least it is good to know that the invention is being checked by many top scientists and engineers of Pakistan. The case has also been forwarded to the parliament, while the government will support the mass production of the equipment if it succeeds the strenuous tests.


Opportunities:

Two different talk shows on two different TV channels have spared their time and “energy” to pay compliments to Agha Saheb. Two senior parliamentarians, Syed Khurshid Ahmed Shah and Senator Pervaiz Rasheed applauded Agha’s efforts and extended their support to his efforts in commercializing the idea for public benefit. The discussion was neither meant as a compliment to Agha Waqar, nor was meant for him to face the public defense. Yet, Ministry of Science and Technology has been asked to (1) step in and conduct a fact-finding exercise; (b) evaluate the feasibility in question; (c) take the responsibility either to reject the concept on “technical grounds” as suggested by Dr. Atta-ur-Rahman or accept the innovation on “economic grounds”; and (d) initiate the modality to move forward with mass production on a commercial basis.


Threats:

Where many engineers and scientists have been stunned by the strange invention by Agha Waqar, Dr. Atta-ur-Rahman insists that the apparatus will soon fail because it does not follow the fundamental laws of science, especially the Law of Conservation of Energy. Talking in a talk show, he said that the invention is ‘non-sense.’ Still Agha Waqar claimed that (a) his fellow scientists have already tested it thoroughly; (b) Senior Parliamentarians and people from the media have already been given trial tests; (c) he can demonstrate his invention to Doctor Saheb as well for appropriate review. Yet he failed to convince Dr. Atta-ur-Rahman in his position as a prominent scientist and an authority on subject like energy conservation. According to the scholar (a) the device does not fulfill the criteria of Law of Conservation of Energy; (b) allowing its operation as a perpetual motion machine is a befooling approach, say like living in a fool’s paradise; (c) so it’s a sheer nonsense.

It is also a fact that in history two engineers working on this technology died mysteriously. Another was allegedly charged with fraud and then put to task. It seems that the global stake holders in petroleum exploration industry would again be shocked and would fasten their seat belts to declare Agha’s technology as fraud. His life security needs to be addressed immediately.


Discussion on Technical Analysis and Fact Finding:

1. Agha has not yet disclosed the scientific and technical aspects of this invention. No one knows, except him and his coworkers, what material he has used in the electrodes and what is hidden inside the ‘bubbler’ that was demonstrated by him. However, if the gas burnt in the engine is pure hydrogen, the process may be extremely environment friendly as the by-product is nothing but water vapor.

Agha Waqar’s invention seems quite similar to Dr. Chaudhry Ghulam Sarwar’s invention that came into limelight in Dec 2011. He once said in an interview that his work would be implementable till June 2012 but no such news has come up till date. The clarification of ambiguity remains unattended. Besides exploring the pros and cons of Agha’s technical discovery it has to be studied vis-à-vis the proposed technology of Dr. Ghulam Sarwar.

2. Agha is not academically trained to present himself for public defense with his Research and Development (R&D). So he could not satisfy Atta-ur-Rahman on the question of the ampere load on the car battery that the water-fuel kit would make, let alone the usage of word “ampere” in the discussion.

3. Agha would need the services of consultants who can speak for him and offer technical replies to the technical people evaluating his product.

4. The discussion of anode, cathode and the process of electrolysis used by his water-fuel kit was not brought under discussion on the TV talk show. It is imperative on Agha to disclose the wisdom behind his product in order for technical experts to approve it.

5. According to Agha Waqar, the experimental car Suzuki Cultus with a 1.0L engine can run for 40Kms through a liter of distilled water as fuel, costing Rs. 10 at the max. The same distance would be covered with petrol of three hundred Rupees. This surprisingly is around 3000% decrease of cost for an average Pakistani automobile consumer. However, as Agha claims, the one-time cost of the kit would be less than fifty thousand Rupees.

6. If this technology succeeds in the race, it will be the sole solution to the energy crisis all over the world. Distilled water will then be used for production of electrical energy instead of furnace oil. Water-run cars will be there on the roads. It will be a total world-wide revolution. If this technology proves to be a true and useful invention, we would surely be proud to claim the patent to our nation.

7. To us, it seems to be truly useful as Agha has been running the car for more than 6 months successfully. His water-run car was also tested by a TV anchor, Senator Pervaiz Rashid and Syed Khurshid Ahmed Shah, the minister for Religious Affairs.

8. There is some reason why this technology has been snubbed so greatly the previous few times. There are many people, as we can well imagine, who would not like to see this technology to appear in the market place. With their stake in speculation of oil pricing, the international lobbyists will definitely try to snub this invention. It now depends on the government on how well they can deal with the international pressure.

9. This is a trillion-dollar game, a challenge for the global economy. For Pakistan, inventing this technology is certainly a greater pull ahead than the one we did in May 1998. We need to show diplomacy; we need to be assertive here; we need to show our strengths as active participants of the global economy; we need to address the issues of global recession and extend a solution to combat energy crises in Pakistan and other developing countries.

10. The world economy would take a major turn, as the mining done for crude-oil in the oil-rich countries will be immediately affected by its long-term impact. Flourishing economies of US, Europe and the oil-rich countries will go downhill. If this technology is patented to the government of Pakistan, it can become one of the major economies of the world. Cost of production of consumer goods will decline, obviously our exports will increase and so would the dollar reserves. The overall economy will move to the next level.

11. To our understanding major corporations manage a fleet of vehicles in each town they operate. It is suggested that they volunteer a vehicle for a month to be turned on Agha’s technology. This will (a) reduce their vehicle operation cost; (b) prove the validity of this technology; (c) pass or otherwise the vehicle endurance test under various weather and environmental conditions in various cities of Pakistan. This is not so easy. The vehicle safety rules would need to be followed. Insurance of vehicles and passengers for one month will need to be taken care of. The Insurance Companies will have to own the idea in national interest.

12. On a bigger canvas with world-wide perspective, a new dimension to Reshaping Global Economy is under review. Development alternatives are being considered and evaluated on a technical basis. Yet some of them are rejected with a silence to let the leading economies grow further. Soon we will discover the fate of Agha Waqar’s water-fuel kit that would either replace the contemporary fuel source in automobiles or declare the status quo?


Conclusion:

It is imperative on us to evaluate the technology offered by Agha Waqar in the national interest. A little modification and development is still needed to incorporate his basic, or more so primitive, approach towards this development. This is a food for thought for the Engineering, Automobiles and Energy Conservation Specialists. We look upon the Government of Pakistan to be in reign to develop the technology further. Pakistan Council of Scientific and Industrial Research, Pakistan Engineering Council (PEC), Ministry of Science and Technology, Leading Universities and various associations of industrialists are a few quarters that can be immediately engaged in the venture.


Source: http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/...lobal-economy/


Regards

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Great discussion. I have a request to all members participating here:

Please please forget about your ethnicity, language, religion and nationality for this topic. This is a scientific issue; there should be no bias


Guys science is not like a religion; in religion, if a mufti gives a fatwa, that's the final word. In science, it all comes down to verifiable experiments. It doesn't matter if Dr Abdul Qadeer or some Pakistan Atomic Commission gave it a green light, what matters is whether this invention is verifiable.


Let's see what are the energies going in and out the car:

Energies going in:

• Electricity from battery

That is it. The heat released inside the engine is actually the energy obtained from battery during electrolysis. Water does not have its own energy.

Energies coming out:

• Energy to move car
• Heat
• Energy to recharge the battery

Your only input of energy is battery. Your car will run ONLY on battery!! It won't last an hour. Agha Waqar's claim that battery is not used very much is false, because this would breakdown 1st law (Law of conservation of energy) and 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Here's a hypothesis: Can you break the Law of Conservation of Energy? The answer is a resounding 'NO!'

P.S.: Laws of Thermodynamics have never, in the existence of universe, been broken. No invention can break it (Not even Agha Waqar's).

Some resources:


http://www.nature.com/news/2007/0709...070910-13.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...ileage/4271579

http://tribune.com.pk/story/384908/h...e-in-pakistan/

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Water_powered_car

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...ileage/4276846

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car

Please lookup for yourself. I am just asking you to do a tiny research. Trust me, the Laws of Thermodynamics are very unyielding

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