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Respected Brother Fighter, you have slightly misunderstood my words. As you quote

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you are right that the forum has already been divided among the classes as there is no access given to the ordinary members to the study forum.
Well brother, i don't reckon that this forum has been polarized on basis of any Discrimination or inequality amongst different members. I’ve defined that in your paradigm (definition and example). As I re-quote my statement from my former post.

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As regards issue of discrimination then in your paradigm (example and definition) it seems to me that this forum has already been divided amongst different classes or members of different level of intellect and intelligentsia.
This forum should not be reckoned as a source of widening the gap between intellectual class and ordinary class. it is highly worth-praising that the most elite members always extend their services with great pleasure in other sections of the forum without any discrimination.

Now we should understand the definition of "Discrimination",

Source: Cambridge Advance Laxicon.

"An attitude of treating a person or a particular group of people differently, specially in a worse way, from the way in which you treat other people because of their religion, colour, skin, sex"

Source: Gloib Encyclopedia

treating people differently through prejudice: unfair treatment of one person or group, usually because of prejudice about race, ethnic group, age group, religion, or gender.

Above sources vividly substantiates that there can be no discrimination on basis of level of intellect or capacity of knowledge. This is what i also uttered in my previous post. Here i re-quote my statement.

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"It should not be assumed that there exists any discrimination and polarization among all members ...."
This illustrates that my statement was not contradictory.

Dear brother, Forum's admin has prohibited the entry of every member to Study Forum as a measure. You can also be a part of that provided you fall in some critaria specified by admin. I am registered on many Scholarly Global Forums which follows such standards and they award the privilages accordingly.

There is very easy way to access the forum for which you are yearning. Just sit and start typing about any topic and issue in your mind but make sure that you are not plagiarizing your piece of writing because it is against the moral standards. Hopefully, your valuable writing will be acknowledged and you will be amongst Elite Members.

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Salam to all the respected members,

I have read discussion between Mr Khyber & Mr fighter, both are our valuable members & we respect the view point of both sides. I want to elucidate some points,

This forum is free for all the css aspirents, & there is no descrimination among members, study forum is kept aloof not for specific elites or intellectuals. every 1 from this forum either he is a junior member or a senior can get entery over there just afterr posting 1 good post as is mentioned in GATE WAY.

Moreover this point system is to judge good work of members & to encourage them, but nodoubt it can be used negatively as mentioned by Mr Khyber. For this 1st of all we expect all members to behave maturely.

2ndly all members should keep this fact in mind that we are there not for points or fame, our main concern is to take guidence & help from this forum & I hope all members will give 1st priority to their real aim i.e. to become CSp.

3rdly moderators & administrators are there & they keep an eye on the activities of members on this forum. So if this system will be used negatively we are there to curb this trend as we know who is doing good work & who is capable of how many points.

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my friend Khayber,you are right.i misunderstood your words, not slightly,but greatly.i could not think think then that the division of the forum b/w elite members and the common members was not a compartmentalization!!!!!!!!!!!!
well,i may be wrong.
your post three days ago.

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All member can leave their comments? i think only few responsible and mature members should be assigned the the responsibility of "Post's Valuation". This free authorization of posts valuation by every member can lead to miscalculation as well as misestimation because everyone has own religious, social and cultural bent. This power will be misused by many members. I hope that it will be reviewed by you.

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This forum should not be reckoned as a source of widening the gap between intellectual class and ordinary class. it is highly worth-praising that the most elite members always extend their services with great pleasure in other sections of the forum without any discrimination.

Now we should understand the definition of "Discrimination",

Source: Cambridge Advance Laxicon.

"An attitude of treating a person or a particular group of people differently, specially in a worse way, from the way in which you treat other people because of their religion, colour, skin, sex"

Source: Gloib Encyclopedia

treating people differently through prejudice: unfair treatment of one person or group, usually because of prejudice about race, ethnic group, age group, religion, or gender.


Above sources vividly substantiates that there can be no discrimination on basis of level of intellect or capacity of knowledge. This is what i also uttered in my previous post. Here i re-quote my statement. quote:

well,all i have to say is that discrimination in this world b/w the ppl has many forms.and i am astonished at your conclusion that as the above mentioned authentic definitions dont include any reference to level of intellect or capacity of knowledge,no discrimination exists here!!!
you are member to many global forms,i genuinely admire your abilities.but i would never be a member to the study forum till it is open to all.it is just my opinion.
i think the css examination is not only an examination of ability but also of opportunity.because there is very sharp compartmentalization in our socity.ppl from different areas acquire education of different standards...from government schools to private schools. this is due to poverty and low economic opprtunities.
ths forum has been dedicated for the css aspirants who could benefit from sharing....taking and giving.the intellectuals have most to give and the common members have most to take.well,again,you are right if a group has been formed,it is their right to do so.

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AoA::: to all dear members . well system of evaluation introduced deserve appreciation. many of members have reservations about system like favrotism, misuse, mischief minder .. well these reservations r present everywhere in any system n non of the system can b purified by these .... but by this system all member can get equal opportunity to evaluate the post so favoritism ends.... if there r wrong doer then there is also a right doer so the net will b balanced..... can't harm the status of member.... for evaluation of good status there r present adnm and other designated member n they know very well about dat..
2ndly discrimination (wat i felt meaning is used here) is part of life n seen everywhere in services, in studies n even in our own families like yonger brother , elder brother discrimination is like coin it may have +ve as well as -ve aspects being optimist i like to take it as +ve as there shd b discrimination of posts , seniorities etc so that the person who r doing well for forum can get the reward and watching these rewards the junior also get inspiried of getting that so they work hard....
well everyone joins here to get updated about the competitions exams n not to create trouble for others....that my opinion n consensus is mostly cumbersome..... i advise the members n asparants to use everythink +vely in short as optimist becoz the matter hidden beyond my advise watever i feel that during the css we have to pass through the psycological test and the psycologist must check the optimistic level try to b alwayz +ve use.....

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AssalamOalykum,

Muskan Ghuman,

Respected Sister in faith, you are speaking my language.

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This forum is free for all the css aspirents, & there is no descrimination among members, study forum is kept aloof not for specific elites or intellectuals.
My words from Previous Post,

It should not be assumed that there exists any discrimination and polarization among all members

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every 1 from this forum either he is a junior member or a senior can get entery over there just afterr posting 1 good post as is mentioned in GATE WAY.
My Words from former post,

There is very easy way to access the forum for which you are yearning. Just sit and start typing about any topic and issue in your mind but make sure that you are not plagiarizing your piece of writing because it is against the moral standards. Hopefully, your valuable writing will be acknowledged and you will be amongst Elite Members.

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2ndly all members should keep this fact in mind that we are there not for points or fame, our main concern is to take guidence & help from this forum & I hope all members will give 1st priority to their real aim i.e. to become CSp.
My Statement from Previous Post,

it should be deemed as a mean of inspiration to emabark you on creating capabilities (courage) and enhance your level of intellect,

Thank you so much for your further clarification and extending my thread in similiar frame.

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Respected Brother in Faith, "Fighter" ,

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my friend Khayber,you are right.i misunderstood your words, not slightly,but greatly.
Thank you so much for finally understanding my words.

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i would never be a member to the study forum till it is open to all.it is just my opinion.
Brother, that sounds so weird and appaling, of course, threatening. It is open to all without any discrimination but first you need to show deservance. As there is famous Polish Proverb,

"First Deserve, then Desire"

So, it is prerequisite to show your deservance by dint of your creative and innovative capability in form of one small piece of your own writing which can lead you to the most desired section of this forum. As you know that in rest sections, some members deviate the purpose and meaning of some useful threads by their irrelevant posts and some indulge themselves in battle of ego with revered members of this forum. So, i am sure that respective authorities must have taken this step as a measure to avoid any disruption. Actually, One Pukhtoon Islamic Forum (Hujra) is also being administered by me and i am au fait with all rules and measures as a precaution.

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well,all i have to say is that discrimination in this world b/w the ppl has many forms.and i am astonished at your conclusion that as the above mentioned authentic definitions dont include any reference to level of intellect or capacity of knowledge,no discrimination exists here!!!
It never falls in definition of "Discrimination" because world's eminent psychiatrist refers such kind of feelings of inferiority and superiority to "Pride and Prejudice". There is simply "Division" on basis of Education but not "Discrimination".

In order to give credence to my statement, i'd like to quote words of famous philosopher,
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in His book "Educational Realms" , P.No. 173.

"The true division of humanity is between those who live in light and those who live in darkness. Our aim must be to diminish the number of the latter and increase the number of the former. That is why we demand education and knowledge."

As there is no word of discrimination in above statement, so this fact also justifies that there is only division on basis of Education but not discrimination and this very fact was also justified in my previous post with some authentic sources. i hope that this will help you in further comprehension because it is vehemently in reference to the context.

summing, you can discriminate on basis of Pride and Prejudice and divide on basis of Knowledge and Education. I know that in Eastern World most of people use numerous words at very wrong place which contradicts with the rules and principles set by I.E.G. "International English Grammarians". So this word of "Discrimination" is among those words which is widely used at wrong place in a Syntax as well as in Grammatical Structure.

Further Clarification, if required, will be happily made.

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my friend khyber,
[quote:i would never be a member to the study forum till it is open to all.it is just my opinion. quote:]

[quote:Brother, that sounds so weird and appaling, of course, threatening. It is open to all without any discrimination but first you need to show deservance. As there is famous Polish Proverb,

"First Deserve, then Desire"quote:]

you must take my words in the context of my whole proposition.i would of course never be able to become a member of the forum as i am not a very intelligent and intellectual person.this is due to my weaker educational and social background.and if the study forum becomes open to all i will become a member.this is what i meant.SO THERE ARISES NO QUESTION OF MY DESERVING ITS MEMBERSHIP.I AM SIMPLY NOT INTELLIGENT TO BECOME A MEMBER THEREOF.
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in His book "Educational Realms" , P.No. 173.

"The true division of humanity is between those who live in light and those who live in darkness. Our aim must be to diminish the number of the latter and increase the number of the former. That is why we demand education and knowledge."

[quote:As there is no word of discrimination in above statement, so this fact also justifies that there is only division on basis of Education but not discrimination and this very fact was also justified in my previous post with some authentic sources. i hope that this will help you in further comprehension because it is vehemently in reference to the context.quote:]

you very much right i think so now.but one thing here:why did the black ppl of south africa protested agaist the discriminatory laws made by the white rulers whereas there was no use of this word DISCRIMINATION used in those statues???!!!!!! according to all of your philosophers's definitions there existed no discrimination therein as the word was not used.
Allah has given us common sense to think on various aspects of everything.i think i lack this.
my point is that discrimination exists to some extent in all walks of life.our duty should be to contain and lessen it in our struggle towards
making an egalitarian society.education miust have some purpose to fulfil.

again i want to say is that i would like to concede my defeat here because i am no match to your intellectuality.or in more moderate words,i am not equal to your mental approach.i still have to work hard.

i have an humorous theory here,plz dont take it serious.

once a teacher asked his student to tell what was bigger of the two buffelo of Wisdom.the student was very intelligent.he replied:sir,by buffelo is meant the four legged animal which is a mammal ,a domestic animal.and according to all implications wisdom lives in our mind or say our head.now according to all definitions (big) means large in size.and all the experience and knowledge proves that there has been no head beigger than a buffelo.it is therefor concluded that buffelo is bigger than wisdon or mind.

i think this has been the problem with me.i did not know if there are somethings i had to read b/w the lines.certainly this has been mainly because i am not an intellectual.
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AssalamOalikum,

Respected Brother In Faith, "Fighter",

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why did the black ppl of south africa protested agaist the discriminatory laws made by the white rulers whereas there was no use of this word DISCRIMINATION used in those statues???!!!!!!
Education backwardness leads you dependent upon other independent nation. As regards the issue of discriminatory laws then I’ve observed it in America that although white-skinned and black-skinned (nigger) are not treated alike by a masses yet it is undeniable fact that American Court has made some laws that if someone is disgraced or dignity of any citizen is belittled or jeopardized due to color, race, religion or whatever case it may be, then a sue can be made and Court will ensure its justice to aggrieved party.

In the books of Law there is no word of discrimination against any civilized or uncivilized being but we ourselves discriminate on basis of colour and ethnicity and today almost every society is exposed to this dogmatic-stigma.

It is worth noticing fact that those who got themselves equipped with modern sciences and contributed to this world very peacefully and positively, they were held in great esteem every where, whether he was black or white. In America, black nigger are working on Key-Posts and all of them are held in great respect due to their work-a-holicism and valuable contribution in different realms of politics, economics and education. (Collin Powel, ex-foreign minister is one of the instances). It is true that education can uplift and elevate your standards and social status in the world and due to this fact, many blacks, are ruling in this world and they are held in great esteem.

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again i want to say is that i would like to concede my defeat here because i am no match to your intellectuality.or in more moderate words,i am not equal to your mental approach.i still have to work hard.
Brother, it was not aimed to outshine (make you feel that i am more knowledeable than you) you with my discussion and nor was it intended to discuss it in a debatable tone. Psychologically that does not give good impression. I endeavoured to blurt my thoughts out in such a way so that a flexible mind like you could easily absorb and penetrate. I was seriously hurt by the word defeat because I was not in a battle of ego with you. If you had admitted that I added something to your knowledge then I would have become more delighted and happy because it was not my objective to make you feel defeated or humiliated rather I aimed at imparting and influxing you the best knowledge with best sources based upon facts and realities.

Dear brother, I also gather from your post that you have under-estimated your knowledge and wisdom. But I do not necessarily concur with you because you have also made significant and valuable addition to my little knowledge.

I advise you that please never undermine your intellectual capabilities and always assume yourself the best among the rest. You must be proud of your status being human. Great scholars and achievers always divulged this fact that there are so many gifts still unopened from your birthday, there are so many hand-crafted gifts that have been sent to you by Allah (swt). The power to discover your voice lies in the potential that was bequeathed (given) you at birth. The seeds of greatness were planted within You by Allah (swt) at time of your birth. Allah (swt) left responsibility upon you to let yourself grow those seeds whcih will eventually turn into high greatness of your life. So what is “responsibility" which was left upon you? split this word into two i.e., “response-ability” means “ability to choose your response” so the more you choose response towards those seeds of greatness, the more they will grow which will culminate in your greatness.

These birthday gifts includes talents, capacities, privileges, intelligences, opportunities which would remain largely unopened except through your own decision and efforts. Because of these gifts, the potential within you is tremendous, even infinite.

Dear Brother, American Scholar “Stephen R.Covey” also promotes that philosophy. we all observe that how often times we are owed ,even fearful, of our own birthday talents. I believe it is because of the sense of responsibility they lay upon us.Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate or unintelligent.Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness tht most frightens us. we ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant. Gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually who are you not to be? you are meant to shine, as children do.We all were born to make manifest the glory of Allah (Swt) tht is within us. It is not in just some of us, it is in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear , our presence automatically liberates others.

It is hoped that my small piece of writing will have psyched-up your courage. I shall be extremely glad to know if i become a source of assitance for you in any endeavour of your life.

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This system is, of course, very advantageous and valuable but it may bring in its wake many pitfall, e.g., multiple idís by one member (imposters) , favoritism and unjust valuation owing to memberís personal prejudice
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=> i dn't think so ppl joining this forum to get appreciated by others. Do you think that someone wud made a multiple ID(favrtisim,ujust etc) to get good repo.i am sorry to say but I Myself feel stupid when i see above quoted lines."Aray Koi itna farig hay kya???? if i have to take the rating system i wud take it as " -ve rating for improvement and +ve rating for encouragement ".....TiDus Bro Great JoB !!! Let me RanK You Muhaaa
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