Forum must have tutors
 

It has become my greatest wish to suggest that if the forum management can attract professional teachers for compulsory and renowned optional subjects, as this is the only deficiency I have found in the threads. Threads are moderated but not tutored. If you can not do this round the year, then at least three months before the exam, so that members can discuss their issues and streamline their efforts with their help. I've just started preparing and felt the need. Also a psychologist for the qualifiers.

This will put an end to the multitude vibrations that resound in the mind even after searching queries. These are many. As some say one should write with headings, others say one should not. Also the idea that those who qualified grab all the privilege of teachers, here and there. These are the people who are just unsure about their success a moment before the result is announced, and in a jiffy they become caretakers. A failure with over seven hundred marks will be ignored, whereas a passed with over six hundred will be greeted, celebrated and sought, not knowing that it defies the logic and its cultural. A professional teacher will just look nice as you do with medal, ribbons and captions. You are the bureaucrats of this forum, they can be the technocrats! :)

Another thing I would suggest to hold a trimonthly forum competitive exam. This is a fanciful idea. But it will help the forum members and moderators in their respective areas. Chit-chats will be curbed and there will be a more room for contribution.

Questions that have not seen their climax should flash regularly rather than they should be knocked to oblivion with each passing day.

Moderators, if you cannot fulfill my wishes then, at the least, be not merciful in deleting the posts that do nothing but muddle the affair and occupy the space of useful posts. I will not care if my posts are deleted; i will get a lesson instead. You know what I am talking about? I do lovingly come here, but I get less proportional to the time i spend.

All my requests are genuine and parallel in serving the purpose of helping aspirants achieve their dreams. I hope these will be fulfilled.

We sure will hire tutors. We will soon announce membership fee so that we could pay them too.

[QUOTE=Last Island;390566]We sure will hire tutors. We will soon announce membership fee so that we could pay them too.[/QUOTE]

Suggesstion is very good.please do not ignore it. More users 24 hourz online would be fee. .

[QUOTE=SADIA SHAFIQ;390571]More users 24 hourz online would be fee. .[/QUOTE]
You call it a fee? Then consider every senior and old member a tutor.

We are not ignoring it.

[QUOTE=Last Island;390573]You call it a fee? Then consider every senior and old member a tutor.[/QUOTE]

Nope.please correct me if i am wrong. If members use particular site, refresh it, explore it then this site is entertained by PKR OR like . Like facebook. Am i wrong? If yes then tell me

[QUOTE=SADIA SHAFIQ;390574]Nope.please correct me if i am wrong. If members use particular site, refresh it, explore it then this site is entertained by PKR OR like . Like facebook. Am i wrong? If yes then tell me[/QUOTE]
You are wrong.

[QUOTE=SADIA SHAFIQ;390574]Nope.please correct me if i am wrong. If members use particular site, refresh it, explore it then this site is entertained by [COLOR="DarkGreen"][U]PKR OR like[/U][/COLOR] . Like facebook. Am i wrong? If yes then tell me[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SADIA SHAFIQ;390571]Suggesstion is very good.please do not ignore it. [U][COLOR="DarkGreen"]More users 24 hourz online would be fee[/COLOR][/U]. .[/QUOTE]
[B][COLOR="DarkGreen"]Please elaborate the above underline statements... : )[/COLOR][/B]

first of all thanks to management of forum for running this forum volunterily.
Mam last island is right in this context that to hire a teacher there is a need of money to give him salary.
most of the members of the csp's and there are some highly educated persons are present in the forum.
there are professionals of almost each subject here.
there are many seniors and even junior members who a a lot of knowledge about some specific subjects.
so this forum is already helping a lot for css preparation free of cost.
members should not put such demands in front of management.

Posts #3, 5, 7 are notorious for the just mentioned chit-chat. Such posts should be removed from all threads.
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Guys, there is nothing as a free lunch!

I believe the fee will be a fraction of that aspirants pay to the academies, travelling to the academies and living in a hostel and buying irrelevant books/material.

Sometimes we buy a book that we later realize we should not have and sometimes we want to buy core books but don't know where from. Such matters will be easily resolved with tutors.

Moreover, there will be no compulsion for paying for all subjects. If I want to study English, I will not be paying for current affairs. Do academies allow that? Subjects in CSS & PMS are not really the subjects, they are topics! When we go to universities to study these subjects, we need to give presentations, prepare assignments, do case studies, ensure the attendance and take examination in sequence to master the subject. But competitive exam does not demand it. Questions are repeated and one does not get certificate upon passing, or does one? Only a decent grip on the subject with the right guidance will ensure success.

If this suggestion is coupled with holding an indigenous competitive exam, those who cannot pay can benefit by comparing their notes with the so-position holders' of the forum. Moreover it will save time which is also money. Foreseeably, it will not affect the efficiency in guiding and the free registration which members are currently enjoying and which are hallmarks of the forum. We'll be in need to create a Tutor's Section for which there will be fee of tutor, just as we pay the fee to visit a doctor.

It is going to be a very flexible programme. When it is implemented the only need remaining will be the self-exertion and perhaps the libraries for which internet is often doing its job.

Thank you Supermoderator for granting my wish. I am so happy.

[QUOTE=roijen;390625]Posts #3, 5, 7 are notorious for the just mentioned chit-chat. Such posts should be removed from all threads.

Guys, there is nothing as a free lunch!

I believe the fee will be a fraction of that aspirants pay to the academies, travelling to the academies and living in a hostel and buying irrelevant books/material.

Sometimes we buy a book that we later realize we should not have and sometimes we want to buy core books but don't know where from. Such matters will be easily resolved with tutors.

Moreover, there will be no compulsion for paying for all subjects. If I want to study English, I will not be paying for current affairs. Do academies allow that? Subjects in CSS & PMS are not really the subjects, they are topics! When we go to universities to study these subjects, we need to give presentations, prepare assignments, do case studies, ensure the attendance and take examination in sequence to master the subject. But competitive exam does not demand it. Questions are repeated and one does not get certificate upon passing, or does one? Only a decent grip on the subject with the right guidance will ensure success.

If this suggestion is coupled with holding an indigenous competitive exam, those who cannot pay can benefit by comparing their notes with the so-position holders' of the forum. Moreover it will save time which is also money. Foreseeably, it will not affect the efficiency in guiding and the free registration which members are currently enjoying and which are hallmarks of the forum. We'll be in need to create a Tutor's Section for which there will be fee of tutor, just as we pay the fee to visit a doctor.

It is going to be a very flexible programme. When it is implemented the only need remaining will be the self-exertion and perhaps the libraries for which internet is often doing its job.

Thank you Supermoderator for granting my wish. I am so happy.[/QUOTE]

Somewhere you are mistaken. We are not going to make a "Tuition Section" because this way only few will pay and others will manage to get notes and guidance from them free of cost. Forum will be restricted and private. Only paid members will be allowed to enter this forum.

I thought it upon the paradigm of the Study Forum.

Technicalities are you to deal. We just want a glorious forum. :))

[QUOTE=Last Island;390633]...this way only few will pay and others will manage to get notes and guidance from them free of cost.[/QUOTE]

In your suggested way, four persons can buy account under one head. Cant this situation occur? The tutor wont be able to tell the difference.

[B][COLOR="DarkGreen"][COLOR="Olive"][U][SIZE="4"]LI sis and management:
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[U]My humble suggestion:
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The cssforum is running okay... We are satisfied. This forum is serving and fulfilling its purpose...We have many talented members who are helping us...Most of the members are helping one another and there is "WE feelings" among the members...Some are learning from others and vise versa...These new things will create too many problems and confusions... So please take care of the side effects of such steps...

Your well wisher : )[/COLOR][/B]

@ prestigious: Such decisions has to be taken by the management to maintain quality. This change could have existed in their mind no matter one solicited it or not.

[QUOTE=roijen;390653]@ prestigious: Such decisions has to be taken by the management to maintain quality. This change could have existed in their mind no matter one solicited it or not.[/QUOTE]
It wasnt in our mind.

[QUOTE=roijen;390653]@ prestigious: Such decisions has to be taken by the management to maintain quality. This change could have existed in their mind no matter one solicited it or not.[/QUOTE]

[B][COLOR="DarkGreen"][COLOR="Olive"][U]Respected roijen bro.
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Your suggestions are valid but there will be many side effects of such initiatives...
Its upto the management what they decide...
I have just presented my views...I am satisfied from current cssforum... : )[/COLOR][/B]

I agree with prestigious. I don't think that any kind of help, guidance, motivation and dedication is missing from this forum. A person who has been through a process is in a better position, sometimes, to explain you the things than a teacher. CSS Forum has really been a treasure of knowledge and guidance since its inception and has earned a lot of respect and prestige. Aspirants have secured top position by virtue of this forum. CSS is not a technical kind of exam where teachers need to be hired. It does not require a laboratory kind of environment. Preparation strategy, best books, notes, guidance and what not is available on this forum. It is upto the members how they exploit all this stuff in the best possible way. Surely, officers and seniors are always there for guidance.
I am afraid the concept of introducing membership fee and paying tutors may shake the prestige of this forum. Members may not bother to post free of cost quries and forum may be converted into business school. This is what I think. I may be right or wrong. The decision to implement or not implement something lies with the management.

@ [B]prestgious[/B]: The Butterfly has flapped its wing. Moderators cant be made to change their views easily. You can hold a poll and convince them if you feel strongly that it should not be done. I for one can sacrifice for a whole.

Pray that it (our quest for the exam) 'ends well' because for this end we are working for. I requested this improvement in good faith. See above I wasnt sure that my wishes would be granted. It is up to them.

And may be I too get affected by this somehow. But I have learned to adapt to the change and this is very important for this exam series.

[QUOTE=roijen;390670]@ [B]prestgious[/B]: The Butterfly has flapped its wing. Moderators cant be made to change their views easily. You can hold a poll and convince them if you feel strongly that it should not be done. I for one can sacrifice for a whole.

Pray that it (our quest for the exam) 'ends well' because for this end we are working for. I requested this improvement in good faith. See above I wasnt sure that my wishes would be granted. It is up to them.

And may be I too get affected by this somehow. But I have learned to adapt to the change and this is very important for this exam series.[/QUOTE]
If you want it that way, I can hold a poll but I can bet you will lose.

Forum is best the way it is working.the threads,csps,notes,discussions,recommendations,past papers...we have it all:)

[QUOTE=Last Island;390672]If you want it that way, I can hold a poll but I can bet you will lose.[/QUOTE]

First, make this thread invisible and then hold a poll as if forum should have tutors or not without giving any subsequent detail. Then I will win.

It is strange that people want change at the cost of no change.

I just Want to Share my humble opinion:)

The idea of roijen is not that bad but expecting a full fledged academy or tuition center here is not practical at all.

The only thing missing in this forum is "Assessment" section otherwise everything starting from motivation to ready-made notes are available.

If it is possible for administration and management to hire a tutor for aspirants then that shall be for assessment purpose.(and that for the assessment of essay and English Papers only)
For this,they can hire a professional teacher for one/two months per year.Members who want their work checked can avail this opportunity by paying monthly fee.
Those who do not want or cannot will still get help from all the members in free forum.

I don't think it is going to spoil the decorum or the integrity of the forum.But it will enhance the credibility of the forum by providing sincere guidance to those aspirants living in far-flung areas.

Regards.

P.s
i don't think any polling is necessary.Admins and Super Moderators should have the right to implement or discourage the idea because they will have to bear the consequences of such decision.:))

@ Usman Khalid
 

[QUOTE]I don't think that any kind of help, guidance, motivation and dedication is missing from this forum.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Preparation strategy, best books, notes, guidance and what not is available on this forum.[/QUOTE]

Tutors, or those who take responsibility for teaching are missing.

[QUOTE]A person who has been through a process is in a better position, sometimes, to explain you the things than a teacher.[/QUOTE]

Then why some persons who passed earlier failed this time.

[QUOTE]CSS Forum has really been a treasure of knowledge and guidance since its inception and has earned a lot of respect and prestige.Aspirants have secured top position by virtue of this forum.[/QUOTE]

So it will remain and people will continue to secure a top position by virtue of this forum. Next example could be you. :angle

[QUOTE]CSS is not a technical kind of exam where teachers need to be hired. It does not require a laboratory kind of environment.[/QUOTE]

The notorious academies that charge anywhere from Rs 35,000 - 50,000 should understand this.

[QUOTE]It is upto the members how they exploit all this stuff in the best possible way.[/QUOTE]

Subjective factors will continue to make the difference. Even of tutors are arranged, there would be no guarantee that everyone would get through. But there will be a belief and hope that 'I can do it' with spending as little as I can!

[QUOTE]Surely, officers and seniors are always there for guidance.[/QUOTE]

Recently, [url=http://www.cssforum.com.pk/members/nadem-66835.html]CSS Forums - View Profile: nadem[/url] has joined. Beside having a ten years of experience in the police service, he could only compare police and dmg. People asked him about groups' preference and he suggested to hold a meeting with one person from each group with at least ten years of field experience to make a preference list, what he was suggesting was mentor-ship from the experienced who already know about their respective fields. If he can suggest this for forming a preference list, why could moderators not approve such a request from a member who wanted an organised environment for everyone to study.

[QUOTE]I am afraid the concept of introducing membership fee and paying tutors may shake the prestige of this forum.[/QUOTE]

Aren't you paying your ISP? Do you pay a doctor his fee to ruin your health?

Management should do anything to facilitate the member. This is my belief. May be they set a cutoff date after which there will not be free registration or like. It is up to them what they do.

[QUOTE]Members may not bother to post free of cost quries and forum may be converted into business school.[/QUOTE]

Fee will not mean to clip someone's wings. We've been paying fees all our lives, and continued to get some quality in return. Engineers, doctors, and business school graduate do not get a degree without a fee.

[QUOTE]The decision to implement or not implement something lies with the management.[/QUOTE]

Apparently they have approved. Let us see if they come up with a thorough change, with a compromise or no change at all. We should give them our views and this we are doing.

@ Shootingstar
 

[QUOTE] bad but expecting a full fledged academy or tuition center here is not practical at all.
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Read post #9 in which I tried to explain my point of view of nature of subjects for css. Do you agree?

[QUOTE]The only thing missing in this forum is "Assessment" section otherwise everything starting from motivation to ready-made notes are available.[/QUOTE]

Then there should be an Assessment section. For the second point I think motivation should not be the job of forum, but of an individual. Again one should get the complete picture of what one is studying, notes are just efforts.

[QUOTE]If it is possible for administration and management to hire a tutor for aspirants then that shall be for assessment purpose.(and that for the assessment of essay and English Papers only)
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Everybody will come with a different set of subjects if given choice. That is why they suggested to do a complete overhauling.

[QUOTE]For this,they can hire a professional teacher for one/two months per year.Members who want their work checked can avail this opportunity by paying monthly fee. Those who do not want or cannot will still get help from all the members in free forum.[/QUOTE]

Again you repeated what I suggested above. But they have other plans to it.

[QUOTE]I don't think it is going to spoil the decorum or the integrity of the forum.But it will enhance the credibility of the forum by providing sincere guidance to those aspirants living in far-flung areas.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, central-counselling in the form of subject specialists should form matrix with the moderators to give this excellent but paid service.

[QUOTE]i don't think any polling is necessary.Admins and Super Moderators should have the right to implement or discourage the idea because they will have to bear the consequences of such decision.:))
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Well, thank you for this one.

Suppose if we make a Tuition Section, for every single subject, just for 2 months prior to examination, how many members will join that section for assessment and guidance?

Listen guys, change nowadays is inevitable. There is even a need to reform the civil service. But the change should be for best and to gain an edge and for not reinventing the wheel.

I believe if this scheme is implemented there will come a need to have even three tutors per subject to manage the workload. Believe me I'v not even proposed a memo :D

this forum is doubtlessly doing a great job by providing all the necessary information,guidance and knowledge to the aspirants.this is is great platform that is serving for both educational as well as (indirectly) social purpose and credit goes to all of those devoted and sincerely serving persons who are running this on..i think if its all about hiring tutors and providing tuition then why not to run an academy either? there is no such need of proving tutors or hiring teachers as do academies.which is a separate business and profession.on the other hand this is a true devotion ...i think all this forum has been doing and serving, is enough as per criteria of a forum.if there is any need it is need of more attention and guidance be provided by seniors if possible to the assessment of junior's work...otherwise all is well......

[QUOTE=Last Island;390709]Suppose if we make a Tuition Section, for every single subject, just for 2 months prior to examination, how many members will join that section for assessment and guidance?[/QUOTE]

It will depend upon the mental set of aspirants, if they know what is best for them, they will join instantly. But for that credentials of teachers should have to be provided. In my view, maximum would join. Beside fee per head of the instructor will also be a deciding factor. Since this will be for first time that you should be doing, most people already have arranged for private tuition and academies. In other words there would not be advertisement for it (speaking for 2012); that's another deciding factor.

In one spurt it will not be possible to arrange instructor, rather checker or assessor for each and every subject. E.g. Balochi, Philosophy, Geology subjects which have lesser number of candidates opting

Fees could very with applied mathematics highest in my opinion.

Subjects = 46
Tutors = 46 (As you said there must be 3 tutors per subject, multiply the amount but dont forget to take anti depressant before or after that)
Duration = 2 months
Pay = 5000 per tutor (I believe no tutor is going to accept this offer for spending his/her precious time for such a little amount. They have far better opportunities to earn for their services.)
Total expenditure = 46 x 5000 x 2 = 460000
Estimated members = 30 (Impossible though)

Get ready to pay the fee. Its not going to be less than Rs. 15000.

[QUOTE]this forum is doubtlessly doing a great job by providing all the necessary information,guidance and knowledge to the aspirants.[/QUOTE]

Real knowledge in our case is the application of information for solving papers. You tell me, aren't twelve mind better than one mind. Besides I have a feeling that moderators would know the limit of average person here. Its all about welfare.

The per head idea I gave in the above post will prove expensive, although. Management should start with popular subjects at one time. And mode of teaching should not be lecture, but checking of ones notes for completeness, organization, important solved question, guess about the upcoming exam, giving lesson plans and time table for subjects and proven tips, etc.

[QUOTE]this is is great platform that is serving for both educational as well as (indirectly) social purpose and credit goes to all of those devoted and sincerely serving persons who are running this on..[/QUOTE]

Bachay jab ghar main parh rahay hotay hain to walidain ko ghar ka khayal rakhna karna asan ho jata hai!

[QUOTE]i think if its all about hiring tutors and providing tuition then why not to run an academy either? there is no such need of proving tutors or hiring teachers as do academies.[/QUOTE]

cssforum is a virtual css academy and will remain a virtual css academy. Besides this forum is also for a person living in village, if s/he cannot travel to big cities, why should s/he be deprived of practiced preparation under guidance.

[QUOTE]which is a separate business and profession.[/QUOTE]

Jab internet hai hi business k liye hai to ham kiya kare. Bana to defence deparment ki khidmat k liye tha!!!

[QUOTE]on the other hand this is a true devotion ...i think all this forum has been doing and serving, is enough as per criteria of a forum.[/QUOTE]

Aur main bhi kehta hun, teachers ki zarurat hamesha rahay gi.

[QUOTE]
if there is any need it is need of more attention and guidance be provided by seniors if possible to the assessment of junior's work...otherwise all is well[/QUOTE]

They leave as soon as their 'maqsood' is achieved. Only a few will have dard-e-dill remaining. Punjab aur KPK wale kam rakhte hain, Sindh wale ziada rakhte hain.

@ Last Island: this is going to be a stupendous task. You need to find some volunteer teaching expert say for essay paper for a month. Only then can we know its suitability. A crawl, walk, run approach will work here.

[QUOTE=Last Island;390714]Subjects = 46
Tutors = 46 (As you said there must be 3 tutors per subject, multiply the amount but dont forget to take anti depressant before or after that)
Duration = 2 months
Pay = 5000 per tutor (I believe no tutor is going to accept this offer for spending his/her precious time for such a little amount. They have far better opportunities to earn for their services.)
Total expenditure = 46 x 5000 x 2 = 460000
Estimated members = 30 (Impossible though)

Get ready to pay the fee. Its not going to be less than Rs. 15000.[/QUOTE]

:blink This is huge. I do not recommend this.

You have recommended already.

[QUOTE=Last Island;390719]You have recommended already.[/QUOTE]

I do not recommend Rs 15000 per student per month. Have to find student teachers to kick start the project.
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Essay & English precis and composition [URL="http://www.cssforum.com.pk/members/last-island-114.html"]CSS Forums - View Profile: Last Island[/URL]

Can these qualified persons be convinced and therefore give them appropriate tags that identify them with their subjects.

Psychology [URL="http://www.cssforum.com.pk/members/miss_naqvi-2613.html"]CSS Forums - View Profile: Miss_Naqvi[/URL]
[URL="http://www.cssforum.com.pk/members/natiq-49541.html"]CSS Forums - View Profile: Natiq[/URL]

Economics, Audit and Accounts, Statistics [URL="http://www.cssforum.com.pk/members/raz-9844.html"]CSS Forums - View Profile: Raz[/URL]

Mathematics (Pure and Applied) [URL="http://www.cssforum.com.pk/members/ayesha-mahmood-30468.html"]CSS Forums - View Profile: Ayesha Mahmood[/URL]

Punjabi, Arabic [URL="http://www.cssforum.com.pk/members/usman-khalid-3383.html"]CSS Forums - View Profile: usman khalid[/URL]

EDS - [URL="http://www.cssforum.com.pk/members/hhjavaid-21824.html"]CSS Forums - View Profile: hhjavaid[/URL]

US History
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Political Science, IR, CL:
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Public Administration:
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Computer Science:
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If above people are willing these are suggestions are good to start run this project. And after that if aspirants can start posting them anything from the past papers they want correction for.

Minimum number of students to offer tutorship = 50
Duration = 02 months (2 hours daily)
Pay for two months = 20, 000
Fee one student has to pay = 20, 000 / 50 = Rs 400.
means 200 per month per subject.

(a good tutor won't reject this offer depending upon the modus operandi which will be: [LIST][*]course specific,[*]syllabus centric,[*]presenting material for correction and marking,[*]oriented for obtaining marks only.[*]everything done according to paper pattern and in the light of past papers[*]aik mahir teacher ko aik sawal ki islah mai der kaisay lagay gi?[/LIST]
Now people will say how will they present their material, of course they will have to type their efforts. or scan, or take a clear image.

The hired tutor should also be versed at using computer.

He would need to check 25 questions daily (most probably half the population will post a question a day).

[B]Agreed to LI . There would be discrimination among members, gulf between paid and non paid . Then who care for free guidence. The why LI is there without any fee? I want assessment centre for english. I am worried about english. Second if each student have to pay the same then lumpsome payment for academies revolve around this digit.i have paid lumpsome fee 20,000and how i had paid i knew. But i've gained nthing but a few tips. But this forum without any fee gave me a lot. I am obliged to LI AND Forum members. Members here would and should guide freely. This forum has a lot of tips, treasure of knowlege.LI PLEASE PLEASE AND PLEASE do something for essay and composition. I want to correct myself. Please do something .this forum is my friend and i wl not ready to divide this forum between those who pay and who can not pay.[/B]

AoA
I have been on Forum for quite a while and seen it grow into place it is now. Every time i come across the aspirants,knowledge,information tips,notes and most importantly [B]accessibility to all free of cost [/B] of the Forum is in the discussion.
Hiring tutors might seem like a good idea on the face of it but breaking it down to its feasibility will show the difficulty of handling it.Getting a tutor that has the required credentials in around 5000 is like not possible(they take payment per student not monthly) .And whatever is done in the tutor section will come out and will be injustice to those who are paying(apart from assessment).And there are lot more difficulties,I am not saying its not possible but would be difficult.
The very success of Forum is its accessibility to all and without any discrimination and I hope it continues.(like the name of few members are mentioned ,if they are hired ,rest of the member would be deprived of their suggestions and tips)
The decision lies with the management after considering its feasibility.

Had you agreed to last line of post #22,you would have stopped arguing.

Let me put it bluntly.

I agreed to your idea in the very first post because i thought its brilliant but your demands are too ambitious and somewhat impractical.

1)though change is inevitable and positive change should be welcom but turning the whole system upside down cannot be called change.Even if one succeed in achieving change via such practices then it soon turns into a disaster and creates a huge mess.Let change occur gradually.

On one side you are belittling the worth of free guidance and notes present in the forum but on the other side you are suggesting those "ordinary" members to be part time teachers.
If you are getting free of cost guidance and help from them than what is the point in paying huge fee.

LI has rightly mentioned the cost and all the hurdles in the execution of such a vast project.
what if they hire so many teachers and just 20 or say 50 students agree to avial the opportunity and each with a different set of subjects,who would pay the tutor's salary.Would you like to pay the salary on behalf of the administration?That's why only official know they have the responsibility and no one would come to rescue them.

This sort of projects need a well thought plan and it can take years to implement such things.We can start here with one subject from next year and after seeing the turn around of students,this scheme can be further planned or banned.But compelling the management to do everything Right Now is childish.

2)This scheme is very costly as well.One has to pay at least 25 to 30k per session(safe estimate)if one wants to study all the subjects from best teachers.So it can only prove fruitful to those in a long run who belong to backward areas or those who want to study in the comfort of their homes.

3)Don't give such sweeping statements as who has dard-e-dill and who does not.All members, belonging to any province, are assets of this forum.You should refrain from such biased statements.

4)then who's job is motivation?We do not get motivation by looking at forum for hours.It is the individuals and their efforts which motivate us i.e its members.If you are suggesting some kind of psychologist for this then again it is not possible just in a year.

In the end,i would suggest that don't belittle the efforts of all the members which they are doing free of cost.If one pay a little attention to suggestions of seniors and csps than one cannot get wayward from subject and books selection till the interview process.

Now you have planted the seed,let it grow on its own.Every decision of administration is for the betterment of this community so let them decide freely.

[QUOTE=roijen;390723]I do not recommend Rs 15000 per student per month. Have to find student teachers to kick start the project.[/QUOTE]
Then what's the point in hiring tutors? Arent they serving for free already?

[QUOTE]Essay & English precis and composition [URL="http://www.cssforum.com.pk/members/last-island-114.html"]CSS Forums - View Profile: Last Island[/URL][/QUOTE]
What made you think I am going to do that? :)

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All of them have no such experience and most of them are busy and have their professional and domestic commitments.

[QUOTE]Minimum number of students to offer tutorship = 50[/QUOTE]
Can you guarantee that?

[QUOTE]Pay for two months = 20, 000
Fee one student has to pay = 20, 000 / 50 = Rs 400.
means 200 per month per subject.[/QUOTE]
I had set 10000 for 2 months even then the sum was too huge. Yeh kis hisab se her student ke hissay main 400 aa raha hai?

Pay for two months as you have set = 20,000
Tutors = 46
Total = 920000

Agar her member 12 papers ki fee pay kerta hai lets suppose, then: 200 x 12 = 2400 x 2 = 4800 x 50 = 240000
Who is going to pay the rest of Rs. 680000?

jo kaam paisay da kar karwaney ki advice ki ja rahee hai meri nazar ma wo already ho raha hai css forum pa aik had tak,agar ghoor kiya jaey to.

As is once said that css forum ALLAH ka naam la kar shoro kiya geya tha aspirants ki help k liye kiu k ye feel kiya ja raha tha k people dont have much awareness about css to agar ab paisay involve kiye jain gey is forum pa to meri nazar ma this will be against the very spirit of the existence of css forum.there shall be no discrimination towards the members with respect to the services provided by css forum.

baqi agar koi paisay da kar apna kaam check karwana chahta hai to is k liye academies pehlay sa maujood hain.agar paisay denay hain to phir css forum kiu join karey koi?academies chaley jatey hain hum loog wahan par face to face teachers sa guidance lain gey.(Though the purpose of joining this forum is not just guidance.i just enjoy the company)

However it is nice to see that someone came up with a new idea which is really encouraging.

[QUOTE]Then what's the point in hiring tutors? Arent they serving for free already?[/QUOTE]

You may not hire tutors at once. Give the high achievers badges and a little of responsibility so that everyone knows whom to turn to in the time of need. A starter of the thread would not use words as 'any senior', 'any person from past experience', 'anyone who appeared'. The appointed person, who is all, should act as a director, a resource person. But not a spoon-feeder, which actually make his or her task easier. And the aspirant will be moved to work, instead of cramming outdated things and searching for ready made notes. They will be actively involved in learning skills under their subject-directorship. I repeat so that others also understand that this approach is more going to mean a burden (and therefore effort) on the candidate's part and a freedom for the moderators and the tutors.

By doing this, at least a formal tradition will be set.

As for 'will they agree to it?', I think yes. Most of the CSPs who have had good time here, will want to payback, speaking morally. (Some even would wish moderatorship!) Ask them. Theory says it, they should be obliged. For it is a noble cause, and they are noble people.

Below all, it is going to be a humble beginning. And to be frank, I do not see myself enjoying the fruit of it much (I know how to get help). People following will. This project would take three years, to rise to maturity, and the reason why folks are saying it is not feasible.

[QUOTE]What made you think I am going to do that? :)[/QUOTE]

Well you will do it, if not overburdened already. Even if you have entrenched commitments you will find sometime if the members asked you something from the past papers. For example, if I asked you to check my sentences I made of idioms, you can tell me to go back and make another. You know what I will learn? Much!

But the tendency of nowadays aspirants this is 'I want somebody to make sentences for me', 'somebody give me past solved papers, and when I'll fail I will be back as a demagogue, because I have a lot of distorted facts from academies, fellows, and hearsay from examination hall too, irresponsibility; flooding threads because I do not make efforts; this compels me to feel important; my job is to post songs'.

[QUOTE]All of them have no such experience and most of them are busy and have their professional and domestic commitments. [/QUOTE]

Doesn't matter, as I said it will set the tradition. Even if they come once in two weeks, it is going to work. It is like Farz-e-Kafaya; a few of them visiting at one time will be enough to maintain the decorum. Aspirants should learn to be patient.

[QUOTE]Can you guarantee that?[/QUOTE]

I can guarantee you three times this. Reason is the mob-mentality, when one is set to do something others follow will without asking. And what's the danger in that. We are not going to hire tutors for 2012. Nothing involving sums in this 'crawl' phase.

[QUOTE]I had set 10000 for 2 months even then the sum was too huge. Yeh kis hisab se her student ke hissay main 400 aa raha hai?

Pay for two months as you have set = 20,000
Tutors = 46
Total = 920000

Agar her member 12 papers ki fee pay kerta hai lets suppose, then: 200 x 12 = 2400 x 2 = 4800 x 50 = 240000
Who is going to pay the rest of Rs. 680000?[/QUOTE]

There is a little misunderstanding in the scope. This is the 'run' phase you are suggesting. This project will not bloom at once. There will be a constant and active design process along the way. Besides my plan vary, I'll explain.

@ roijen
 

i just want to ask a small question.
If whenever you post a solved precis or have written an essay and ask the members to check it have you ever not gotten a response?

In my personal opinion having a tutor on forum would restrict the checking, way of writing essay etc to just one person and we would not get the comments from various members which is always good i.e, getting various types of comments on your writing is always good. in a very short time it improves our writing which otherwise would take some time.
agreed?