i totally agree with wazeer this was my first competitive exam and for me it was really good expreicnce,the papers were really fantastic,element of creativity was there in the papers of english essay,sindhi essay, islamic history I and II.As far as cheating and other blunders are concerned its pakistan and these kind of things happens so guys chill out.

you guys think papers are fantastic!! wel, guess what! today i had my inopak I paper and a question was there about mehmud ghauri!!
i asked invigilator to please confirm if it was mehmud ghazni or Muhammad Ghauri. he called the FPSC guys who called someone on his phone and told us that it was same and he has confirmed it...
Now tell me my friend that what should one do in a situation like this..
will u still call paper wonderful??

Well my written centre for pcs was govt. college for women, near civil hospital, khi. i didn't see any abuse there.in fact, it was a competitive environment for all of us. Invigilators were strict and they maintained the true spirit of exam.

but hearing some of my fellows' complaints in the forum regarding examination, i'm really shocked. but still believe that there won't b all 'suffarshis.'

seconly, i agree with mr. F.S. that all those who cann't pass exam will cry for mismanagement in the exam. yet we must acknowledge that our system is not free of faults. So i'll suggest u bros! believe yourselves, keep faith in Allah almighty and work hard, you'll certainly b able one day to achieve what u desire.

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@FS

Ada I never wanted to hurt you and accept my apologies for this bit. OK whatever you said is correct and even Bhutto's son is also meritorious. Further more, there is No copy culture, No paper is made public before the exams, Exams were supposed to be open book for merely preparing our youth for the higher study abroad as open book examinations are in vogue in UK and USA. Nobody is solving there exams at home and those whom I personally know doing this bit is mere illusion of my mind. Every thing is alrite and this CCE-2009 will absolutely be based on the principles of highest level of merit.

Regards

@ Ali Sattar

I m really happy that u'v finally used ur brains.... n accepted ur folly..


Still alot grudge aginst us from ur side is evident from ur side..........

I hv never said that only merit is sole criteria in SPSC... However my point of argument was that same goes for FPSC too but we ignore it.......

We must b focused on our prep for all exams n leave rest with Almighty...........

Yar I'v met Mr. Ahyan Bhutto (Son of Ex-Chairman).... He is not that bad as he is often labelled by people like us.... I'v seen some DMG officers, who only know how to sign............

We hv same system everywhere in Pakistan, b it FPSC/SPSC/PPSC

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Asalam o alaikum,

Dear aspirants i had been observing this discussing. Alienating and blaming each others wont lead us anywhere. Its true and definitely obvious; our system is infected and at times we feel these viruses of corruption so overwhelming that they diminish our hopes and the courage we have certainly vanishes.
Yes these factors cannot be neglected yet being a muslim we have firm belief that
“Rizq danay wali sirf Allah taale ki zaat hai”.
So just work hard and leave the result on Allah, Inshallah if in your favour, you people would be blessed.

Regards,

Salaam,

It's an interesting discussion going. I can not resist the temptation to participate in it.

I have read some of the posts in the thread. What characterises most of them is: frustration. Our unemployed and voiceless youth is venting its anger on the system by bashing people who made it. I'm particularly referring to the comment of Ali Star in which he referred to such people as 'JALEE' - this statement truly represents the national feeling these days.

Actually, one of my maternal uncles who supervised me throughout my CSS studies is also one such 'JALEE' officer. He was recruited as a Mukhtiarkar through SPSC way back in 1993. This particular person helped and guided me throughout my CSS venture. And all because of him today I stand here before you as a very young achiever. I took my first attempt of CSS in 2008 when I was just 21 years old. I have stood 120th/684 in Pakistan and 5th in Sindh (R). Since the FPSC has announced the number of seats and there are no suitability cases this year, I am quite sure of getting my first preference i.e. Police Service of Pakistan (PSP). Without him, I couldn't have been here.

Our society is too backward, retrogressive, defeatist and discouraging. Rather than learning from people's success and working hard - something that I call positive jealousy - they tend to drive solace by pointing fingers. The reason is that they can not work hard and succeed anywhere.

People raised questions on my uncle's ability to qualify the exam in 1993. I hear the same about me in my locality today. So things have not changed much in the last 15 years.

I came across many people during studies who'd say that there's no merit in CSS. They would hold me back from attempting the exam. I would vainly try to convince them. They never listened to me. And look! today they're standing where they were. I have achieved my goal. Even today, they'd keep telling others that I am just a kid who can't pass CSS without paying the commission. I have floated the figure of Rs. 2.5 million to keep such people busy in gatherings.

Mr. Ali Star, I did see your declaimer in the end of your post in which you mentioned that your intention is not to demotivate people. But it seems to be at odds with the content of your post. I see you as the same people I met before attempting this exam.

I am not here for any personalized argument. I would just request you to let people atleast try. For that, you might have to keep your precious thoughts secret for a while.

Thanks a lot.

@Adil Memon

Adil says: Our society is too backward, retrogressive, defeatist and discouraging. Rather than learning from people's success and wo]Mrrking hard - something that I call positive jealousy - they tend to drive solace by pointing fingers. The reason is that they can not work hard and succeed anywhere.

This forum is presumably not the place where only dejected youth pays visit. I view this forum as a venue through which we come in contact with like mind people. Your impression of connecting my attitude of pin pointing the pit falls of the system specifically those of prevailing in SPSC with an inability of not passing exams and not putting hard work etc is horrendously incorrect. I am afraid your analysis is absolutely wrong and people from diverse backgrounds opt for competitive exams and they are capable and don’t need anybody else to dictate them the basic norm of working hard and other affiliated issues.

Who I am: I myself a researcher working with United Nations drawing a salary more than your imaginations and Alhamdulillah it is all HALAL and absolutely happy in my existing capacity. Maze kee baat hai your CSPs in different cadres such as Police, District Management and others are working with me even some are working under my supervision. They join us on deputation and all the time talk very pathetic about their concerned departments even one of my colleagues (CSP) has moved up and down for not leaving United Nation project because he had a call from his parent department.

My affiliation with this forum: Ache log and intuition of guiding youth who are trapped in this dirty game of competitive examinations. At least I can guide them through with good advices specially pushing them to become at least CSP if they don’t think beyond a SARKARI NOKREE.

Mr. Memon, please admit that you don’t have guts to talk something against this pathetic system which is ruining the lives of our youth. Don’t save those institutions by throwing blame over young aspirants that they are non serious and putting fewer efforts to pass those exams. My brother became seriously ill in 2003 when he was turned down in CCE-2003 even though he got excellent marks but failed the interview. I don’t have any objection over his failure in interview but why the opportunity was provided to Chairman Bhutto’s son and the relatives of honourable Aslam Sanjrani, Mr. Khero and relative of a SPSC member (Mr. memon, the name slipped out of my mind) and many more in that particular diet of CCE-2003.

All those who are being tortured and going to be humiliated by SPSC are my brothers and sisters and I feel their pain. I record my condemanation agaist those who see this cruel system and keep their eyes remained closed.

Regards

@ Ali Sattar

Bro Only God knows why hv u issues with SPSC... U r basing ur arguments on mis-information... Let me tell no relative of Aslam Sanjrani, Ex-Chief Secretary Sindh, cleared CCE-2003... Ali Gul Sanjrani happen to share caste with him, that was no fault of his.. he was English Lecturer before passing CCE-2003 & many of his students hv passed CSS/ PCS, me being one as well.... As for brother of Sarwar Khero-Shoaib Khero, he was selected on Dis-abled Quota........ Now its not his fault to get a seat on Dis-able Quota... Government has fixed it... so no candidate can challenge..... People had alleged that Fuad Ghaffar Soomro, being son Federal Secretary Abdul Ghaffar Soomro, had passed CCE 2003 through back door... He passed CSS-2007 and is currently under training....... As for Ahyan Bhutto, I accept that he is son of Ex-Chairman... There is no rule restricting sons & daughters of Chaiman/Members of Commission to appear in Exams..... A son of retired Bureaucrat/well-Off faimy, for that matter, gets the best available education, and must be better than any routine candidate who has got his education in government school........... It wud b easy for him to clear competitive exam, because of sound eduaction & proper guidance.... I'd same thoughts before Joining Government Service, as I ws under influence of yellow journalism of Kawish etc. where u can get news published, which is not only defaming but devoid of truth also......... After judging my fellow qualifers of CCE-2003, I can safely say that merit ws ONLY yardstick in CCE-2003...........

FRANKLY SPEAKING IF ANY ONE CONSIDERS THAT "SUFARISH" REIGNS SUPREME IN SPSC, THAN HE MUST NOT APPEAR IN ITS EXAMS... SIMPLE... IF U DON'T TRUST IT, DON'T APPEAR... ITS GENERAL IMPRESSION OF US THAT WE PEOPLE HV DOUBLE STANDARDS.... IF UR BROTHER HAD CLEARED CCE-2003, SPSC WUD HV BEEN FINE... WE WERE BETTER, THATS WHY WE PASSED... UR BROTHER, THOUGH HE MUST B GOOD, WAS NOT BETTER ENOUGH... PL APPRECIATE THIS FACT... U'V NO RIGHT TO TAKE AWAY OUR HARDWORK... U MUST NOT MIS-GUIDE PEOPLE.....

Bro U must b working in UN n earning Million n many of CSP may b working under ur command, But it doesn't prove that U r mentally and intellectually better than rest of us...U must b making millions (Beyond the imagination of Adil)... but u can't generalise everything... I m afraid how can u conduct research, if u bent on generalizing everything... No every CSP is intrested in working with u in UN.. not every CSP is earning black-money... Not every CSP is dis-satisfied with his department... People like us want to serve our government... We want Halal Money.... Some of us just want their children to get better education, so they need Halal money in UN.... they may hv much beter chances of making millions illegally....Moreover, U r not better than any CSP, just because u work in UN... Appear n CSS and defeat us to be better than us... "Grapes r sour" hs become out-dated mantra...

Every member of this forum, specially my fellow Sindhis, must b guided properly... I appreciate ur view that young generation should look beyond Sarkari Nokri. But they must not mis-guided too... Sarkari Nokri is much better........

Bro, Each one of us hs freedom of speech here, I would appreciate any further discussion from ur side

Regards

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@ Ali Star:

Salaam,


After reading some of your comments in this post, I have developed sympathy and respect for you. It is just because of difference of temperaments that we've been sucked into a serious debate here.

SIR – Actually this forum is a platform where people interested in Civil Services can take guidance from seniors and orient themselves for taking the exam. You have been trying to berate government services and insult qualifiers of competitive examinations, which is infact like working against the raison d'etre of this forum.

I would also like to clarify that I did not refer to you as an unsuccessful CE candidate at all. It was a general statement. Please do not limit its scope to yourself. And I do not know what problem you have in accepting my uncle's credit in my success.

SIR – First of all, I take strong exception to your equating civil services with HARAM salary. I want to join Police Services of Pakistan not because I want to make money. Alhamdulillah, I am rich enough to feed many of your successive generations. My purpose is to serve this nation. Full stop!

I am glad to know that you are working at some high post in UN. If I matter enough to you, I would recommend you to take your brother along with you to UN as well. If you believe he was competent enough to qualify CCE 2003, he must be eligible for a job in UN like you.

I don't know what was his purpose of attempting CE-2003 when civil services is all HARAM and specially when you have got people having a more respectable cadre in civil services (CSS) working under you. I guess you hadn't run short of money? (Just a joke, never mind!)

SIR – I am quite clear about my goals. I want to work in Police Services in Pakistan (PSP) and it is for this purpose that I attempted CSS. I can be of use to thousands of people throughout my entire career. It's better than living for one's ownself and bragging about having a high salary.

SIR – You have mistaken my words somewhere. I am not supporting the system. I am just encouraging every candidate to give this exam their best tries. This argument between you and me is particularly because of your misguided attempt to discourage candidates from taking exams. You can never compensate these candidates if the results of these exams are actually based on real-merit.

Recently, SPSC conducted exams of Forestry (BPS-16). Many presumed that merit won't be honoured. But to their utter dismay, it turned out to be other wise.
One qualifier on 4th position was my own university batch mate. I believe he was competent enough to qualify. He's preparing for CSS at the moment. Two other qualifiers are from my hometown (Tando Jam, District Hyderabad). One of them is a Hindu with poor financial status and no political links at all. So the question about his merit does not arise. The other one was a female, who managed to clear 10 CSS Papers in 2008 and must be good enough to pass that exam.

Had these all taken your 'good advice' before the exam, they wouldn't have discovered their fortune.

SIR – When I read your post yesterday, I could get a smack of something personalized between you and SPSC. And as you have now revealed about the ordeal of your dear brother, all your grudges on the system are quite understandable. And this is what has made you more respectable for me.

SIR – All the serious candidates appearing in SPSC exams must be thankful to you for that. Please bless them.

Fawad (F.S) has already replied you on points that I missed out in my post. I think I will not be able to reply you now onwards. However, in case you have something left to say, please bring it on. I shall read it. And I hope Fawad will reply you in due course of time.

Thanks a lot.

Regards,