Unjust Conditions of Offer letters - CCE 2008

[Babakhan]

The following conditions in Offer letters given to CCE 2008 are absolutely intolerable and provides cushion to Sindh Govt. to throw out people any time they want for FOUR years.

1. Instead of One year Why probationary period is set as TWO years in the offer letters sent to people. As per the offer letters this two year period may be extended to Two more years depending on the wishes of Sindh Govt.. Consequent upon the proceedings of Court petition against CCE 2008 in Sindh High Court and Supreme Court , Sindh Govt. will definitely extend this probationary period to 04 years and keep the allocated people of CCE 2008 in dilemma and uncertainty for said period. The rights of candidates to challenge the unjust decision of govt. are very minimum while he/she is on Probation. WHY Sindh Govt. wants to keep CCE 2008 people on probation for longer period of time.

2. Why the reference of Petition lodged against CCE 2008 in Sindh High Court Sukkur Bench is given in the Offer Letter. If any type of mishandling by SPSC detects in this case later on in future than what Sindh Govt. is going to do with the people of CCE 2008. Will they stop the Process in middle? If people are on training than will Sindh Govt. stop the training and send all of the allocated people back to their homes? What is the purpose of mentioning the reference of this Court petition in the Offer letter? WHAT are the consequence on candidates if Court detects any forgery of SPSC in middle. If Sukkur Court has not stopped the process of allocation of CCE 2008 because of this case than why Sindh Govt. is interested in placing this case reference in offer letters?

One can easily smell the intentions of Sindh Govt. towards the batch of CCE 2008. The current move of Sindh Govt. to restore Commissionerate System and rolling it back in one months shows extreme level of INFORMAL behavior and this informality while handling rules and procedures can destroy the future of CCE 2008 as well.

The acts of Sindh Govt shows that it is anxiously waiting for something happens to CCE 2008 from any court or any other side and than they will use all their tricks to teach the people a lesson as to why Court petition was lodged against Sindh Govt. for offer letters. One can easily predict the behavior of Sindh Govt. if any court i.e. High court or Supreme Court calls for an enquiry or investigation against mal-practices in CCE 2008 in future.

Thanks to Allah Almighty that I am on safer side by taking this decisions of not joining Sindh Govt.

[mb raja dharejo]

Dear baba khan or whatever is ur name..
Ur questions should be answered because this forum is not limited to u and me but the whole world gets an impression of it.
and one thing i want to say that plz dont create a mess of anything.
1. U said why probation is of 2 years: For officers who are appointed directly they have one year probation period. While officers who have to go under training like in cSS.. we have probation period of 2 years. I am CSP Probationary officer for 2 years in Federal Government because we have to go for CTP and STP. it will continue till I pass FPOE. Likewise, in Ex-PCS we have to got examination of Assistant Collector Grade 1 within 15 MONTHS. (which is more than 1 year). Therefore, probation periods extends only in years. Thats why these posts including CSS have 2 years probation periods.
Agar aapko ek clerk lagaenge to phr 1 saal hoga.
I think i am clear regarding this. agar koi or sawal ho to zarur jawab milega. ab aap ki har post ko man reply karunga.. buhat hogaya.. WITH RULES AND REGULATIONS>
2. Next is regarding petition and its inclusion in the offer letter:
Sir, whenever there is any C.P. (Constitutional Petition) is lodged in any court, it has no effect on any process of government. but when court gives orders or verdict, it is expected to intervene between the process of government. Likewise, Honorable court of High Court Sukkur bench, gave an katcha peshi order to sindh government, that as a candidate seems to b passed in written therefore appointment procedure should be made subject to the orders of the court regarding this C.P. Therefore, they have not stopped the process but have made it subject to the order of C.P. in future. and this is according to rules of business and secretariat instructions that alteration in the appointments can be made after the orders of C.P.
Now come to the real scenario: That person is fail in one compulsory paper. English: but pass in aggregate. Marks 500. But in mark sheet it is written below that aggregate passing marks are 450. therefore it has created confusion in the mind of court that he can be pass. But this C.P. will be cleared in the next hearing date bcoz SPSC has replied with rules of CCE-2008. SPSC Rules of Business says:
NO CANDIDATE SHALL BE SUMMONED FOR VIVA VOCE TEST UNLESS HE/SHE OBTAINED ATLEAST 33% MARKS IN EACH INDIVIDUAL WRITTEN PAPER AND 50% MARKS IN THE AGGREGATE OF THE WRITTEN PORTION OF THE EXAMINATION NO CANDIDATE SHALL BE CONSIDERED TO HAVE QUALIFIED IN THE EXAMINATION UNLESS HE/SHE ALSO OBTAINS ATLEAST 30% MARKS IN VIVA VOCE FAILURE IN OR ABSENCE FROM VIVA VOICE SHALL MEANS THAT THE CANDIDATE HAS FAILED TO QUALIFY FOR APPOINTMENT AND HIS/HER NAME WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE MERIT LIST.

NOTE: NO GRACE MARKS SHALL BE ALLOWED TO ANY CANDIDATE.
Govt. of Sindh has nothing to do with the offer letters of DDOs/AC. They have a lot to do more important than this. Govt. does not start or end on these posts. It is because of RULES OF BUSINESS and SECRETARIAT INSTRUCTIONS that SnGAD has written reference of that C.P. in offer letters.
Conclusion:
I think your all misunderstanding has been cleared. but i am sure it can never be. bcoz u r just here for propaganda to humiliate Executive PCS officers and PSS Officers. These things are the part of us and people like u will come to us daily like these remarks. but i think we have also replies with rules and regulations because we are competent slot of sindh province selected as officers. If u r also a selected SO then u should be proud of urself as well. but if u r considering urself a JAALI officer (just like yellow journalists) then, we cant do any help to you sir..
My request to all aspirants and Young Generation of Sindh Province: Do hard work and appear for all competitive Examination of Pakistan like CSS, PCS. because when u will be selected u will serve this province which is our homeland. We are here to protect it and its institutions. WE WILL NOT ALLOW ANY BABAKHAN TO DO ANY PROPAGANDA AGAINST IT. ie very system has some room for improvements and we will try for that.
LONG LIVE PAKISTAN, LONG LIVE MY MEHRAN LAND..

[Babakhan]

Dear I respect your views included in your post but these are very difficult to understand and it is out of context to my observations. Please read following and if you are still interested in answering my posts than please go ahead.

1. For CCE 2003 batch this period was ONE year. I think they were clerks!!! And this batch is composed of officers so the period is changed from One year to Two years. Great effort of Sindh Govt. as people like you may appreciate Sindh Govt. on this great move but please count me out of those who act on everything without using mind.

2. PSS people don’t have to sit for any exam you mentioned in your post than why period is set as TWO years for PSS and Labor Officers.

3. No matter how weaker the court case might be but it exists. Show me a single offer letter on this earth either given by Federal or Provincial government showing the reference of court petition mentioned in it. If you are curious about these provincial level jobs than please go and ask a good lawyer about repercussions of mentioning a court petition as condition in offer letter or any other kind of contract between two parties. Agreed this petition is weak in its nature but the intentions and attitude of Sindh Govt. is obviously exposed from these cheap moves and I was only saying that these moves will harm future of many if in future directives are received from any court to investigate the allegations of petitioners against CCE 2008. Case againt CCE 2008 is still pending in Sindh High Court and people are preparing to go to Supreme Court. AGER PEHLI HEARING MEIN SUPREME COURT NE INVESTIGATION KA ORDER KER DIYA TO KIYA HOSAKTA HAI?? Than all will see the attitude of Sindh Govt. as they have already shown their guts in case against CCE 2003. Sindh Govt. ne unhe JALEE sabit kerne mein konsi kaser chori hai. Unhe Anti Corruption tak to poncho diya hai aur unkee dismissal ke summary Chief Secretary ke pas mojood hai even according to sources many officers of CCE 2003 have already dismissed (See my previous posts for newspaper cuttings regarding dismissal of many officers. CCE 2008 batch wale Sindh Govt. per case ker ke un se konsi achai ke tawako rakh sakte hain.

4. My observations are based on facts and I have never asked you to accept them.

This forum is made for analysis and sharing information with each other. If you think ke her koi aap ke terha soche aur ager otherwise sochta hai to aap is act ko propaganda kehte ho!! Mujhe afsos hai is baat per ke parhe likhe log bhi is terha sochte hain.

[mb raja dharejo]

Dont worry.. ab aapko yun tanha nahi chora jaega.. I will surely reply to your each misunderstanding about the rules of business of any government sector:
Sir, I will advise u to use ur mind according to the rules and regulations.. Abstract thinking nahi chalegi in civil services..
As per ESTACODE:

"Any appointment of a civil servant by promotion or transfer to a
service or post may also be made on probation as may be prescribed.
Where, in respect of any service or post, the satisfactory completion of
probation includes the passing of a prescribed examination, test or course or successful completion of any training, a person appointed on probation to such service or post who, before the expiry of the original or extended period of his probation, has failed to pass such examination or test or to successfully complete course or the training shall, except as may be prescribed."
Where the appointment is on probation, this should be clearly stated
in the order, alongwith the probationary period in clear terms. This period will vary according to the nature of the posts, and should be judiciously fixed, but once fixed, it should be rigidly adhered to.
In other section of (Probation, Training andSeniority) Rules, 1990 it is stated for posts like these: "On first appointment, officers shall be on probation for a period of two years. On successful completion of the training or examination, the officer shall be confirmed."
Ab second point:

2. Why PSS have probation for 2 years even they dont have to undergo any training:
Again I will refer u to go the book of Secretariat Instructions: Whenever u go for any combined competitive examination. u announce posts in combined form. So, their result is also announced in combination just like Press Release of 26th January 2011.
Therefore this rule applies to all the posts advertized. Yahan pe aaen man aapki intentions khol k rakhun. u r saying k govt. of sindh is annoyed at our petition lodged in the court and or wo us wajah se ham se hamen extended period de rahe han..
Labour Department and cooperative societies k offer letters kab aae the.. before the petition ya after it. bad-luckily 4 u.. BEFORE THE PETITION.. and there were also 2 years probation period in those offer letters in their terms and conditions. Agar apki baat maani jae to Govt. of sindh ko pehle hi pta tha ye log C.P. lodge krenge is liye pehle se 2 years probation period kardo ta k in se badla lenge.. Shayd indian parrot ne aapko b btaya tha or unko b.. SO PITTY BABAKHAN.
It is ur misunderstanding sir, Govt. procedures is tarah nahi chalte jis tarah aap interpret kar rahe hote han.. We have to follow all the rules and regulations in everything warna hamen pta ha aap jese kai log aate han is tarah ki cheezen le kr..
Ab teesra point:

3. All Pakistani citizens have full right to lodge any petition against anything or person. is ka matlab ye nahi ha k wo us tarah hi hojae.. Things will be done as prescribed in the law not by ur wishes. Baqi rahi is case ki baat it will be finiished soon. These cases and dates are the part of bureaucratic life. chalta rehta ha.. agar aap kabhi hissa bane na is slot ka to phr dekhiyega k aap kitna ghalat sochte the. Inside picture hamesha doosri hoti ha sir.. KINARE PE UKROO BETHNE SE ANDAAZ-E-TOOFAN NAHI HOTA>>
Ham ne apna fesla tawaquaat pe nahi kia..or na hi karenge.. Hamen lagta ha apko buhat saari tawakuaat thi sindh government se.. is liye tootne pe dukh hua ha..

LAST REQUEST: Agar join karna ha to karo warna ye sab band kardo.. No one needs ur irrelavant things which dont have any things to do with the rules of business of the government sector and the service. U r a just yellow journalist doing propaganda.. It is not an opinion by u but distracting young generation from hard work. U r a misleading person. U dont have any credibility. agar credibility ha to saamne aao.
Me Dr. Muhammad Bakhsh Raja Dharejo, Three Times Gold Medallist, Four Times Silver Medallist, CSP Officer of Pakistan Audit n Accounts Service, 15 times distinction holder, Topper of Sindh Province (Overall 14th) in 38th Common Training Programme at Civil Services Academy Lahore.
Agar ha crdibility to saamne aao aap k who r u??. I am sure u will not come in front row because u have fear of facing the troughs and crests of life.. LIFE IS NOT THE BED OF ROSES.. is competitive examination se aage jahan or bhi han.. :-) Look at CSP like gurmani sb he is also laughing at ur baseless assumptions.. without any knowledge about government functionaries...
again i will request to young generation because they are my priority warna i dnt have any care about people like babakhan k aap mehnat karo, if u have mettle u will succeed. Inshallah. Dont go behind these discredited person who are disappointed by their lives..
Thanks.

One question which might be coming in the minds of all people.. I am going to answer that..
WHY BABAKHAN IS A CENTRAL FIGURE OF DISAPPOINTMENT BY ALL THE MOVES OF SPSC, SINDH GOVERNMENT IN THIS ISSUE OF PCS EXAMINATIONS???

Sir, it is a rule that whenever any post is not accepted by any person of above merit. it will be lapsed to the next examination which is different from CSS. In sindh it will b vacant. Now some section officers (selected) are intended to go to the court for pray that these seats should be allocated to the merit downward. and I think it should be like that. Thats a right thing. But these people have started a propaganda to humiliate sindh government and discourage people to join sindh government.. so that seats should lie vacant and their case should be strong enough that see many posts are lying vacant therefore should be allocated down the merit just like css examination. Thats the reason babakhan in every of his post mentions that i will not, i will not go for sindh government etc etc.. Ur hope is a right one sir but ur way of getting advantage is absolutely wrong..
Koi agar beemar ho to us ki ziada care karte han usko chor k bhaag nahi jaate.. jo bhaagte han wo apne nahi hote.. jo door se paas aate han wo apne hote han.. :-)
har koi meri tarah na soche lekn wo apki intentions jaane ye buhat zaruri ha.. or wo jo misinterpreted facts n figures le rahe han ap k through wo b jaan len k kitni sahi han..
Or itna bhi mujhe confirm ha k u will surely deny this fact.. as EXPECTED.. :-)
May God Bless U.. take care
LONG LIVE PAKISTAN.. LONG LIVE MY HOMELAND>> SINDH.. We are protector of it and we will protect our mother...from corruption, from terrorists, from separatists, from misleading persons.. etc. so be aware of it..

[Babakhan]

Ok alrite now I got the point that why you people are against me. So you guys think that if you don’t join than others will replace you and I am amongst them. You are horrendously wrong as I am not interested in Sindh Govt. at all so stay safe and happy as I am on merit list low enough if you all reject to join I will not be considered. Yeh sub soch soch ker apna khoon mat jalao dear.

This pathetic attitude of Sindh Govt. is not ONLY because of court petition lodged for offer letters but this negative behavior has started long ago when it was made obvious that Abrar Mirza and others were involved in taking money from bureaucrats and others to give exceptionally high marks in interview part i.e. people getting 248.50 out of 250 and many other exceptional marks are evidence of this corruption by Mirza and his team. Propaganda of merit by SPSC and taking millions of Rupees under the table and changing merit list after the death of Mr. Abbasi came to the notice of Govt. and told to my friend by the cousin of Mr. Sharjeel Memon who also failed this exam and has been with High Court and now Supreme Court petitioners since they thought about lodging the case. He is the one who provided them all the evidences against SPSC including the mark sheet of this genius Section Officer who got above said marks.

I don’t know much about the rules and regulation but One of my friends who passed CCE 2003 and his offer letter had ONLY One year probation and was not extendable. In CCE 2008 offer letters two years are mentioned and these are extendable to TWO more years over the wishes of Sindh Govt.

You have taken my name thousands of time with slang and used pathetic language for me but look at my posts where not even a single time I have taken your name so learn manners and don’t act like the spokes person of Sindh Govt.

Now I will only post at that time when Sindh Govt. will show its pathetic traditional atitide to CCE 2008 people likewise they showed it to CCE 2003. I WILL POST TO MAKE PEOPLE REALIZE THAT I WAS RIGHT AND MANY WERE WRONG IN THEIR THINKING.

[mb raja dharejo]

Sir, you are mistaken, we are the spokeperson of Government and people of sindh.. because we are appointed as their part i.e. bureaucracy. Second thing, u have admitted u have just seen one offer letter of ur friend and u r interpreting our offer letters' terms and conditions as u said u dont have any knowledge of rules and regulations and rules of business of any government.. Just like these, u have created all this mess on behalf of ur failed cousin and interpreted that in any disproportionate form. At last u are also at EXPECTATION (tawakuaat) that when Govt. will do like that, i will post.. Shukar ha.. ab apni is baat pe qaim rahiyega.
@ Young Generation and aspirants of competitive Examination
See the original picture and decide urself now.. Wrong information creates confusion in the minds of people which hinders on their progress. There is no alternative to hard work. If u hard work, God will surely help u.. U will succeed.. Sach ne sahi saabit hona hota ha or baatil ne to mitna hi ha..
At last I will say I was here because it was harming the credibility and prestige of our institutions.. Its my last reply to this thread tooo.. Allah Hafiz.

[Babakhan]

By defending Sindh Govt. you are committing disservice to all those who are directly affected by pathetic PPP led Sindh Govt. in following ways:

1. Defending Sindh Govt. who aimlessly targeted all CCE 2003 people and majority of them belongs to meritorious class and see where they are because of Sindh Govt.

2. Promotions of all your CCE 2003 and others are stopped by Sindh Govt. even after the lapse of 08 years. Those CSPs who joined with them are in 18 grade and will soon be in Grade-19 but Sindh Govt. employees are still at 17 and have no chance to be promoted in many more years. PPP govt. will not promote CCE 2003 and CCE 2008 batch for coming number of years.

3. If Sindh Govt. is that much appealing for you than why you guys knocked the doors of court for getting offer letters. Why Mr. CM was not giving you letters and after court orders he called you people BLACK MAILERS? Bad intentions of Sindh Govt. are clear from this act of not giving offer letters. This will definitely go on and on in future when it will come to training, posting and promotion of CCE 2008 people because PPP is not going to go anywhere for decades and will make all future Govt. in Sindh with MQM. Presence of PPP Govt. will always challenge CCE 2008 because they have lodged a petition to CM of PPP. Now defend Mr. Spokes person the acts of your Govt.

By looking at above facts, I acquire every right not to join Sindh Govt. and yeh meri zindagi hai mein ise kisi terha bhi guzarun aur mere Sindh Govt. join na ker ne se koi asman nahi gir jayega. You people do whatever you think good for yourself but don’t take away my right of speech. Mein sirf forum per Sindh mein hone wali na insafiyon ko expose ker raha hun, aap koi bache to nahin ke mere kehne per who karo jo aap nahi chahte.Infact all of you who wanted to join Sindh Govt. have sent their acceptance to the offer letters than why you are still thinking like a sick person that I am stopping people from joining Sindh Govt.

[candidatespsc]

Dharejo sb:

heyyyyyyyyyyyyyy dear what r u doing?
do u have enuf time to have arguments wid Khan sb?
r u free enuf now a days buddy?

plz appreciate khan sb that he doesnt like Sindh Govt job and has very much information what is expected to happen with CCE 2008 batch even thn he signed our petition and paid the due share to paid to lawyer........... u dont believe.... plz check valuable posts of khan sb in " PCS result announced"

Raja sb... life has lot to do except playing in hands of odrs who just want to keep us busy.... u r right its mind game. so let him play alone. i tried to make him understand but respected professor (Although i knw he is not professor and he is employee of Sindh Government, i am 90% sure i know him that who he is and he has also submitted his acceptance to join Sindh Govt: as So)) is in mood to understand and feel the reality. he has accounts in many names.... so decide ... gonna reply or do something else beneficial...

[muhammad hussain]

sir v were expecting u would wait til sindh govt shows pathetic attitude ....

[Babakhan]

Suspicious attitude of Sindh Govt.

As I already said the inclusion of court petition’s clause/reference in appointment letters shows bad intention of Sindh Govt. and has started reflecting the mala-fide behavior of Sindh Govt. On a simple aimless court petition the whole process of allocation has stopped till its disposal by Sindh High Court Sukkur Bench. Ager Yeh Court nahi kerti to Sindh Govt. zaroor yeh process rok deti yeh keh ker ke Court mein case chal raha hai lihaza pehle who khattam ho phir appointment orders milenge.

The promotions of CCE 2003 batch are stopped and in fact not even considered due to case in Sindh High Court lodged by respectable Saleem Shaikh in year 2008 (Saleem Shaikh & Others VS Sindh Govt. & Others).

Case is already pending against CCE 2008 in Sindh High Court and if you look at the copy of Court Petition and allegations posed in this petition, one can easily understand the severe nature of those claims and need time to be investigated. I don’t know what Supreme Court will say against the future petition and what Sindh Govt. will do if they will be asked to investigate the claims of Petitioners.

Like wise CCE 2003 the promotions of CCE 2008 batch will be withheld for indefinite period because of case against this batch and this case will take time to be resolved like the case petition lodged by Saleem Shaikh in 2008. Probably similar kind of inquiry taking help from Anti- Corruption may be launched.

I seriously doubt this Sukkur Bench Petition is launched by an independent petitioner rather it is done under the help and instructions of Sindh Govt. otherwise this petitioner, if genuine, should have lodged the case well before the announcement of final result. Why at this stage and what benefits it will reap for him?

This batch of 2008 will be in jeopardy more than CCE 2003 batch because of many reasons and more significant of those is the act of moving court for Offer letters

Disadvantages of these moves to CCE 2008 batch:

1. Before these cases are decided, promotions of CCE 2008 will be withheld like in the case of CCE 2003 and during these years a huge number of rankers will be promoted to higher posts and will naturally delay the promotions for many many more years.

2. Uncertainty about promotions and even firing from current positions.

3. Continuous fight with Sindh Govt. and who will serve in such messy environment.

I know my comments and fact depiction will not be liked across but telling realities is far better than hiding it.