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AoA,

Its really interesting topic, I realy like your discussion. I would like to comment as:-



See previously DCs were having the same role, do you want to give DCOs same kind of powers? if yes, then why there is need to develop new system??

Please go through POLICE REFORMS and

PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION,
it is specifically there to solve that sort of issues.

AH--- Well amjad sahib amendments in police order 2002 has resulted in politicizing police hierarchy.And as far as public safety commission is concerned it has been merged with police complaint commission rendering it useless.Zila Nazim writes annual performance evaluation report of DPO which affects promotion of that officer in the future.Will it not result in using police for political motives?

Now the DCO is a neutral person under the supervision of departmental hierarchy.In case of Kohlu and Dera Bugti zila nazims had to be marginalized due to their aligned behaviour towards miscreants and powres given to the DCOs.Apart from that there have been various examples of using police against political rivals.So the law and order must not be nazim,s responsibility in our set up.



Please check MASALE HAT Committees are already established at UC level, I think you mean that. So its integral part of system, it might take time to implement all the aspect of this system. I think its quire comprehensive system and need more time for proper understanding by general public.

Yes there are masalihat committees and need to be streamlined according to the prevailing social set up.
First think that are our UCs have capacity to do so?? (Human resources, Financial and technical experties).
If District governments are unable to make a transparent system with more capacity and check and balance so how you can expect that from UC level??

Except Urban UCs there are several rural UCs how you can make balance between them. Means mostly revenue is generated from Urban UCs and then equally distributed to all UCs. If that system will implemented then the whole senario will be changed. Am I right??

Well amjad sahib Zakat committees are already there to disburse Zakawt at UC level.If they have the capacity to disburse it why not to collect it.No doubt there is less transparency at the upper level but at the lowest level people know each other very well and their sources of income.And when people will see that their money is being spent rightly they will start participating in it.And for transparency collected money and the list of the persons from whom it has been collected be displayed in every village.


Dear, in some part of the countries elections are won on biradari-ism. (Like in my district "Mansehra").

In Punjab this election has been totally on biradri basis.

Political parties are already involved in the process as we all noticed in previous LG elections.

Political parties are involved at the ditt. level but not at the UC levelso at that level it is contested on biradri basis.
My observation is that now one family member of elite is Tehsil Nazim or Naib Nazim, One is MPA, One is contesting for MNA, Senet and also District Nazim-Naib Nazim.

So do you think it is still a democracy at the grass root level?



NOW FROM MY SIDE.

The system is realy a balanced system on paper, you can find better system in place. There are some short commings those can be recognized as the process moves on and can be rectified.
See the case of CCBs parallel with Councils and Village and Naighbour-hood council.

My observation is that people will take some time to understand the system and the gradual process will prove that this is a good system.

Tell me how many people realy understand this system till now???

So don't say that there is nothing good in this system. There are short commings, political and bureaucratic challanges, those need to be solved.

TOGETHER WE CAN ALL MAKE THE DIFFERENCE.

So do your best to support the idea, and share innovation from your side for improving the system.

I am thankfull that you started this discussion. I am also glad that you have the indepth knowledge of this system as well.

Hope I will receive feedback on my comments and questions.

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Actually this system is another gift from an army dictator.If it is so much beneficial and democracy oriented why have there been such systems from army?Firstly it was done by Ayub then Zia and now Musharaf.I see less sincerity in its implementation and suitability in our set up.
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I appreciate you comments. Still there are un-answered comments.

I have some comments, like whoever implemented the system "It is there and we live with that system". It is right or wrong is the second aspect. Tell me whether this can be improved or LGO 2001 should be revoked?????

I agree with you that there are flaws in the system.

If NAZAM will have to right ACR of DPO and will use DPO for political favour, brother what you can say that police is not being used by MNA, MPAs or senators???

Here Zila Nazim might be able to use DPO, but remember if there is strong opposition then he might think over it.

Take the case of a poor person in Pakistan. Whether he can visit ISLAMABAD to meet any Minister, MNA, MPA etc.... Now see the case he can at-least meet councilor and through him/her he could be listen by UC Nazim and then by concerned authorities (If you agree for 5% still it means its good and can be improved).

As a nation and as a collective we are biased in various aspects. See if I will do something wrong, I will use any political figure to helping me our.

Now, checkk ALL Pakistan Unified Group (APUG) of Civil Service, the concept introduced by Civil Service Reforms Unit (CSRU). Appointments up to BPS 19 will be made at District Level. (Red Alert). (I read that today in The News)

I am against that, because now who will be at selected?????? Definetely Nazim will be the head and how political interference will hijack the process. Comment on that........



I think Its enough for the day.

Hope to read you again with more positive/progressive comments.

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Dear amjad sahib the ACR of the DPO was not written by the MNAs or MPAs.So they didn,t have any institutional check for pressurising them.But now Zila Nazim can easily manipulate the DPO for his designs by maneuvring his ACR.

And no doubt the idea of local governments is awesome to minimize the gap between the policy formulation and implementation.But such an idea for the nascent democraciies like pakistan with so much feudal interference at the local level can not be implemented in true sense.The civil servants have checks and balances by their hierarchy.To make them accountable at the local level will certainly minimize their neutrality and competency.The Local goverment set up should be there but compatible with our social and political set up.
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The Local goverment set up should be there but compatible with our social and political set up.

Will you please suggest any measures?????????????? what compatability an how?????
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I think i have already suggested some of these measures and tried to justify them.
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Thanks,

So, what I (as layman) got is that now our political set up is Devolution (LGO) so we have to continue with it.......

It was nice having your comments.

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asalam o alikum ....amjad sahib very good work ...balkay kamal hay ...so now that i am back hope i ll learn some more things ....
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Sarkar, I think its you who started this discussion. Please put some good work from your side.

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Sco and its benefits for Pakistan
Introduction
The world is now fed up with its unipolar outlook and also with the unilateral approach of the sole superpower along with its blatant demonstration of doubble standards and unilateralism in its global dealings.The hegemonic tendencies of US have forced the potential stake holders of this geopolitically comlex arena to contain her anti-regional ambitions while promoting the economic well being of the local people in addition to the mutual cooporation and peaceful coexistence for greater regional economic prosperity. Formation of SCO is one of such moves by the economic and nuclear giants of Asia ,which has become centre of gravity in current times owing to its peculiar and distinctive characteristics.
Members
Sco is a grouping of six permament members and four those members who are enjoying observer status in this highly important regional forum.The forum includes rapidly growing China, nuclear giant and ex-superpower Russia, and energy resource rich Central Asian States as permament members and Pakistan ,India,Iran and Mongolia as those having observer status. The dynamic atributes of the forum make it very important for the global observers and its future economic and political potential over the globe as a regional grouping is being assesed.
Objectives of the forum
At the time of its inception in June 2001 it had confined itself to few globally accepted and appreciated objectives of eradication of terrorism, ending of extremism and curbing the proliferation of drugs.But in its latest summit it has extended its objectives and planned to act in a greater global sphere.Its main objectives are as follows:

Eradication of terrorism:
Terrorism is one of the great threats to the whole world. Eeryone is well frightened of this menace. Asia being one of the populous continent with many other socio-economic dilemmas is famous for having breeding places of terrorists.Anarch-stricken areas like Afghanistan and Iraq along with countries having widespread internal insurgencies like those of Sri Lanka, Nepal, India and Pakistan provide the feasible conditions for the growth of terrorism. Curbing of this dilemma is a need of the hour and a joint move in theis regard is really desirable. Keeping is view the lomming threat of any terrorist attack the first and the most important objective of this forum is to end terorism in the region.

Ending of extremism:
Extremism is the state of mind where a person becomes hostile and try to impose his own views and ideology on others by the use of any possible means like force , threat etc.It is the product of hopeless mind,sense of deprivation,injustice with a huge contribution of widespread social ills like poverty,illitracy and social inequality. This is actually the extremism which makes the people terrorist and they commit the acts which otherwise very difficult for them even to imagine. Hence an other very important regional problem have been included in the objectives so that a joint effort could be extended in its addressing.

Curbing of poppy cultivation:
Asian region is one of the most important area from where drugs are supplied to the whole world. Again it is a place of origin of the major global threat. Countries like Afghanistan and Iran are famous for production of opium. Warloardism and decades of anarchy with ideal environmental conditions have made Afghanistan the main source of opium.From here it is supplied to its neighbours and Central Asian States where it is converted into heorine and is supplied worldwide.To make the region free of this menace SCO has included its eradication as its third obective.

Not a military grouping
SCO unlike NATO is not a military grouping.It has no military concerns.It is peace-loving and harmony seeking organization. Many western crictics have alleged it to be a military organization but in its real character it has no concerns of showing the military might of the region.

Promotion of mutual trade and cooperation:
Mutual trade and cooperation is a key to economic success of any regional forum. Observing worldwide it is clear that the groupings having immence mutual trade and cooperation are the most prosperous and developed one like NATO and ASEAN.On the other hand lack of mutual cooperation and trad has impeded the economic prosperoty of the regional groupings like ECO and SAARC. Therefore promotion of mutual trade and cooperation is sine qua non for the economic groth of the region and SCO stresses on it enthusiastically in its objectives.

Mutual Trust
The founding stone of any reional organization is the presence of trust among the member states.Presence of trust deficit is one of the major obstacle in the progress of any such grouping.The example of SAARC is before us where the lack of trust between India and Pakistan, the main two countries of the forum, is hampering the progress of the forum.Owing to lack of required level of trust this forum could not progress and reach up to the level which it could have attain due to its inherent potntial. Thus promotion of trust is also an important objective of SCO.

Sovereign equality
Sovereignty of the member sates would be protected and there would be no discrimination is this regard.

Avoiding confrotionist posture:
This forum is a friendly forum.It as no military outlook and is not interested in warfare or any activity like this. It is peace loving and harmony promoting grouping.It shuns the aggression and condemns the unilateral interventions.

Common desire of forming multipolar world:
After the disintegration of USSR the world became unipolar with the materialization of the interests of a single superpower. This geopolitical scenario has become unacceptable to many countries and the members of SCO are having the same bent of mind.They are extending their efforts to get out of the quagmire which the presence of sole superpower has created.Thus they share their desire of forming a multipolar world.

Containing of US hegemony
US is extending its role in an unacceptable way for the materialization of its sinister global ambitions. It is curbing the rise of any possible rival by its own regional manipulations in its own region and by promoting the pro-US nations in the other regions of the world. The example of such activities is the attitude of US towards Venezeula in its own area of influence and nuclear feeding of India in Asian region to make it a bulwark against China.So, China and Russia are having a parallel desire of conating the US hegemony is their part of the world. For this purpose they encouraged the CAR's to ask US end its military bases in their territory.Moved by the patronage of China & Russia ,Uzbekistan and Kyryghstan asked US to dismantle its bases. Hence, one of the shared objective is the containment of US in this part of the world.

SCO and Pakistan
Pakistan is enjoying an observer status in this forum and is desirous of becoming the permanent member of it.There are lots of economic and other benefits for Pakistan if it becomes the permanent member of this regional grouping.However it requires different policy related measures which Pakistan should pursue in order to become a member which is potentially acceptable to the other stakeholders of the forum.






Areas of convergence of interests between Pakistan and SCO
There are following areas of convergence of interests. These common concerns can act as a bridge between the two.
No double standards
No regime change
No unilateralism
No pre-emption by force
Non intervention
Peaceful coexistence
Nuclear containment
Sovereign equality
Economic prosperity
Regional stability
Elimination of terrorism,extremism and drugs


Benefits for Pakistan

1-Balance in Foreign Policy

2-Enhancing of econmic activity

3-Trade and economic cooperation

4-Best utilization of its strategic location

5-Materialization of energy projects

Needed steps to be pursued by Pakistan

1-Vigorous diplomacy:
In order to become a permament member of this highly potential grouping Pakistan needs a high levely of good and result oriented diplomacy. In the forum China and other Central Asian States are already having afinity with Pakistan. With central asian states Pakistan is already interacted through ECO and with China it is having historic ,deeply rooted , and all weather friendship. All such factors are really very helpful for Pakistan in forming a diplomatioc support needed to become a permament member. Anyhow there is a need to manipulate the old relations in needed dimentions so that a local support of the grouping could be attained in accepting Pakistan as a permanent member.

2-Good relations with Russia
Since the inception of Pakistan the relations with Russia have not been very good. The factors like diplomatic immaturity and hostile India with close afinity with Russia were the main in making these countries hostile to each other. Inequitable use of veto power by Russia on Kashmir issue further aggravated the hostility.But now the change in geopolitical equations has brought the two countries closer to each other.Its up to diplomatic potential of Pakistan to use it in right direction.For full access to this forum a friendly Russia is inevitable and that can be the product of prudent foreign policy.

3-Good neighbouring relations
Pakistan should also form good realtions with its neighbours like india,Afghanistan and Iran. Prevalence of good relations would make it in compliance with the credo of SCO which enjoins the peaceful coexistence of member states. Demosntration of good relations would also caste a good image of Pakistan in the comity of nations and its chances of greater support in the forum would greatly be enhanced.So, good neighbouring relations are the need of the hour and are key factors in making Pakistan successful in its regional ambitions.

4-Pragmatism and expediency with regard to IPI
The energy project being negotiated between Iran, Pakistan and India should be brought into operation. Western community especially US is staunch critic of this project and is advancing different tricks to halt its headway. Continuation with regard to this project would caste a general impact that Pakistan's pro-US tilt is declining which would make happy not only China & Russia but also the Muslim world in addition to needed supply of gas to the region. Therefore the perpetuation and materialization of the project is the need of the hour and Pakistan would be the main beneficiary if this project is successfully completed.

5-No diplomatic blunders
Pakistan is passing through a very sensitive phase.Under the shadows of ludicurous allegations of Afghanistan that Pakistan is having potential hand in Taiban's infiltration and the Indian's allegations of Pakistan's hand in Mumai bomb blasts, diplomatic moves have become quite difficult. Such allegations are also not serving for the image of Pakistan in interational community. Keeping in view the current scenarion it is advisable that Pakistan should not engage it self in any sort of internationally detestable diplomacy as it did when it recognized Talibans in Afghanistan. Therefore Pakistan should avoid any such diplomatic blunders.

Conclusion
SCO has a potential of becoming a very prosperous and developed grouping of the Asian nations while containing the hegemonic tendencies of US at the same time.Pakistan, owing to its geostrategic location and diplomatic relations with most of the mebers of this forum could benefit a lot from it.However it needs some pragmatic and result oriented measures to do so.
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