Is CSS really a competitive exam?
 

I am wondering over the pattern of the CSS exam after going through complete definition of the word COMPETITION. In short, All CSS candidates appear in compulsory papers and they have choice in optional subbjects. A competition is held under a particular and unique course for all aspirants. The phenomenon of choosing optional subjects, in fact, distorts the meaning of the competition. It is a discrimination for a hardworking student who does not opt Arabic and other high scoring subjects though he has not aptitude of the subjects. On the other side, some subjects are declared low scoring. The result of Islamic History 2010 is the best example.
What do you think?

Regards
Aariz Memon

That is the reason why very soon these optional subjects would be dispensed with..All 12 subjects would be compulsory for everyone.this will provide everyone with a level playing field.The change is in process.

[QUOTE=hamza_salick86;301622]That is the reason why very soon these optional subjects would be dispensed with..All 12 subjects would be compulsory for everyone.this will provide everyone with a level playing field.The change is in process.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, there must be some selected compulsory subjects for all. No options for subject selection

[QUOTE=aariz;301620]I am wondering over the pattern of the CSS exam after going through complete definition of the word COMPETITION. In short, All CSS candidates appear in compulsory papers and they have choice in optional subbjects. A competition is held under a particular and unique course for all aspirants. The phenomenon of choosing optional subjects, in fact, distorts the meaning of the competition. It is a discrimination for a hardworking student who does not opt Arabic and other high scoring subjects though he has not aptitude of the subjects. On the other side, some subjects are declared low scoring. The result of Islamic History 2010 is the best example.
What do you think?

Regards
Aariz Memon[/QUOTE]

I endorse you.

This is not a competition but discrimination.
A candidate,luckily opts high scoring subjects may be awarded more marks than others,shows clearly that there is no crystal clear system of awarding marks.
Owing to this,many competent Csps allocated in unexpected groups.
This high and low scoring trend must be abolished.

Regards

[QUOTE=Waqar Abro;301624]I endorse you.

This is not a competition but discrimination.
A candidate,luckily opts high scoring subjects may be awarded more marks than others,shows clearly that there is no crystal clear system of awarding marks.
Owing to this,many competent Csps allocated in unexpected groups.
This high and low scoring trend must be abolished.

Regards[/QUOTE]

@Waqar. Owing to this discrimination process, Many competitive and brainy aspirants, I guess, do not appear. More importantly, they call it LUCKY EXAMS. :D

[QUOTE=aariz;301626]@Waqar. Owing to this discrimination process, Many competitive and brainy aspirants, I guess, do not appear. More importantly, they call it LUCKY EXAMS. :D[/QUOTE]
Yes,this process of assessment had distorted many student's career who gave their heart and mind to this exam but could not qualify it just because of this discrimination.

[QUOTE=Waqar Abro;301629]Yes,this process of assessment had distorted many student's career who gave their heart and mind to this exam but could not qualify it just because of this discrimination.[/QUOTE]

I have stated this reason too in my blog. In fact, we face discrimination mostly in all govt. institutions.

But if there will be no optional subjects, it will be injustice with science students. As students of History and political science and literature students already get an edge in general knowledge papers...

Doing away with optional subject will no create much difference in my opinion.blaming scoring or non-scoring trend will not serve the purpose.i wonder people still believe in scoring and non-scoring subjects after seeing the result of islamic history,journalism and sociology last year which were considered as high scoring subjects.when fpsc is trying to break this trend why we can't.i believe we should try to give our best to any subject that we opt and left the rest to Allah and examiner to do justice with us.this is the competition and best will win it.:vic

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We should never take a concept of low scoring or high scoring subjects. We

should subjects according to our taste and work hard. If you select high scoring

subjects and never work hard you can't qualify. But when you choose difficult

subjects and work hard with trust so you will be succeed. :))

IS it really competitive!
 

Well, i must be living in a fool's paradise if i claim that there is nothing like high-scoring or low-scoring subjects. They are there! What do you think about MATHEMATICS? What is your opinion regarding accounting and auditing? Is there any doubt that ARABIC, PERSIAN ETC are really high scoring subjects? Then comes science subjects. Agree or not, the fact remains, it is a competitive exam but it is not really a competitive exam! Got it? And if fpsc is trying to make it purely competitive, then i welcome it! But so far, there is a tinge of discrimination.
Even, those who got throgh this exam agree with this point of discrimination. AND, if you ask me honestly, there should be nothing like optional subjects! Let there be only six(existing) compulsory subjects.

According to me it is a competative exam but only for Punjabians and KPK persons. they have to compete for even a single score wheras this is not same with sindh and balochistan.

Competition only 4 punjabians?
 

[QUOTE=khuram_khokhar;301696]According to me it is a competative exam but only for Punjabians and KPK persons. they have to compete for even a single score wheras this is not same with sindh and balochistan.[/QUOTE]

Brother, it is not the case. The students of Balochistan, and perhaps sindh also, go through same struggle and hard work, as do the pupils of other provinces to pass this exam- CSS.

The papers are not designed in Quetta for Balochistan students, rather they are prepared and checked at the center for all students across the country.

As regards the passing percentage, I agree, that Punjabians appear and pass in abundant numbers, but, to me, it is the matter of numerical strength rather than competence. That's why they are given 50% quota as compared to 6.6% allocated for Balochistan. A huge difference.

Moreover, given scarce facilities at hand to acquire quality education, hats off to the Balochistan students, who dare to compete with students from developed provinces. So, the question of discrimination never arises in this context.

Brother, I did not mean to come up with harsh reply to your post, but what I felt a smell of prejudice in your post and so felt it necessary to answer you.

[QUOTE=game on;301686]Well, i must be living in a fool's paradise if i claim that there is nothing like high-scoring or low-scoring subjects. They are there! What do you think about MATHEMATICS? What is your opinion regarding accounting and auditing? Is there any doubt that ARABIC, PERSIAN ETC are really high scoring subjects? Then comes science subjects. Agree or not, the fact remains, it is a competitive exam but it is not really a competitive exam! Got it? And if fpsc is trying to make it purely competitive, then i welcome it! But so far, there is a tinge of discrimination.
Even, those who got throgh this exam agree with this point of discrimination. AND, if you ask me honestly, there should be nothing like optional subjects! Let there be only six(existing) compulsory subjects.[/QUOTE]
well,dear it was my personal opinion.it is not necessary that others do agree with me.subjects like mathematics or accounting cannot be termed as high scoring or low scoring.they purely depend on the aptitude of candidate and grip on the subject.maths can give u even 100/100 marks if u have full grip on this subject.accounting will also give u good marks if u have proper understanding of it.if candidate has little understanding of these subjects he will obviously get lower marks then is it right to call it low scoring subject? infact science subjects are technical yet scoring also.
i think we should believe in ourselves and our hard work as it always pays of.:dd

Apptitude is a given!
 

[QUOTE=suman;301728]well,dear it was my personal opinion.it is not necessary that others do agree with me.subjects like mathematics or accounting cannot be termed as high scoring or low scoring.they purely depend on the aptitude of candidate and grip on the subject.maths can give u even 100/100 marks if u have full grip on this subject.accounting will also give u good marks if u have proper understanding of it.if candidate has little understanding of these subjects he will obviously get lower marks then is it right to call it low scoring subject? infact science subjects are technical yet scoring also.
i think we should believe in ourselves and our hard work as it always pays of.:dd[/QUOTE]

WELL, dear, you are absoutely right when you say that you have a right to express your point of view in no uncertain terms and i vow to defend your right to the end!
NOW, get down to the business!

AGIAN, agreed that its your aptitude that earns maximum marks. Please tell me, if i can score 100/100 in any subject if i have so called aptitude in any subject execpt mathematics? i have so called aptitude in sociology, but i cant help secure 100/100 ever in my life! DEAR, do not confuse aptitude with low/high scoring phenomenon. To me, its not a myth! A genuine fact!
IF you still disagree, then, i would agree to disagree!:dd

[QUOTE=Shafique Malik;301640]We should never take a concept of low scoring or high scoring subjects. We

should subjects according to our taste and work hard. If you select high scoring

subjects and never work hard you can't qualify. But when you choose difficult

subjects and work hard with trust so you will be succeed. :))[/QUOTE]



To appear in css, and dont do even a random study, its foolishness, nothing else

and i think no one does so

So i dont agree with u

What ever force u put to a DEAR HORSE, he will never RUN.

If u want to win battle, u have to chose best weapons.

Till written CSS is just a battle, nothing else

But yes after that, its purely ur LUCK

No doubt there is discrimination in optional subjects

and m also against it

There must b all compulsary subjects only

and equal competition for all, definitely fpsc will consider SCIENCE & ARTS students,

that there may not b monoply of any group


I'll appreciate if it happen so.

[QUOTE=Faisal86;301709]Brother, it is not the case. The students of Balochistan, and perhaps sindh also, go through same struggle and hard work, as do the pupils of other provinces to pass this exam- CSS.

The papers are not designed in Quetta for Balochistan students, rather they are prepared and checked at the center for all students across the country.

As regards the passing percentage, I agree, that Punjabians appear and pass in abundant numbers, but, to me, it is the matter of numerical strength rather than competence. That's why they are given 50% quota as compared to 6.6% allocated for Balochistan. A huge difference.

Moreover, given scarce facilities at hand to acquire quality education, hats off to the Balochistan students, who dare to compete with students from developed provinces. So, the question of discrimination never arises in this context.

Brother, I did not mean to come up with harsh reply to your post, but what I felt a smell of prejudice in your post and so felt it necessary to answer you.[/QUOTE]

First things first brother,no matter how much I disagree with u here,I must appreciate that u are arguing very reasonably and putting forward your point of view in a very 'constitutional' manner---this should be the spirit of discussion and the manner of presenting disagreement.As I also agree with what Khurram says,I would say that ur reply is anything but harsh.
Now coming to the answer.I think Khurram is trying to say this because as the things have turned out,whether due to the unfortunate fact that Sindh n Baluchistan have lagged far behind in education,not developed at the same pace with Punjab or a discriminatory attitude in the guise of quota system,qualifiers from Punjab find themselves at a great disadvantage.There are so many of them qualifying the exam and so little seats for them.The 'competition' in the sense it is being talked about is that passed candidates from Baluchistan,Sindh Rural and Sindh Urban(which is as developed as Punjab or KPK) are sure of Allocation,candidates from Punjab are left scrapping for seats.Trust me brother,it is not a nice feeling to see candidates who are far below u in merit number getting allocated instead of u..specially when there are plenty of backward areas in Punjab itself(especially South Punjab)..I think that's why Khurram calls it a competitive exam for Punjab and KPK only coz in their case the real fight starts after written examination.And as we know,from Sindh and Baluchistan the bulk of people who get selected are the ones who are educated in country's best institutions and haven't often dwelled in small cities and towns.So it undermines the efficacy of quota system.
We are not at all against the quota system and prejudiced towards smaller provinces,they are like our younger bretheren.We here just talked about the harsh truth and the plight faced by Punjab and KPK domiciled students.If only,I have repercussions about the carried over seats,which in my personal opinion would never be filled.So in my humble opinion,they should be put on open merit.So that those vacancies can be filled.Thats a personal opinion of course.It is a much harder exam for candidates from Punjab and KPK.We still are in a jeopardy as to our allocation,of which the statistical probability is not more than 22%.We are not at all prejudiced brother,we are just at the wrong side of the gun called CSS:cry

[QUOTE=game on;301733]WELL, dear, you are absoutely right when you say that you have a right to express your point of view in no uncertain terms and i vow to defend your right to the end!
NOW, get down to the business!

AGIAN, agreed that its your aptitude that earns maximum marks. Please tell me, if i can score 100/100 in any subject if i have so called aptitude in any subject execpt mathematics? i have so called aptitude in sociology, but i cant help secure 100/100 ever in my life! DEAR, do not confuse aptitude with low/high scoring phenomenon. To me, its not a myth! A genuine fact!
IF you still disagree, then, i would agree to disagree!:dd[/QUOTE]

bro,i was talking about Mathematics only in which u can get 100/100 not about sociology and im not confusing aptitude with scoring or non-scoring trend.i still disagree to ur genuine fact.:D

[QUOTE=khuram_khokhar;301696]According to me it is a competative exam but only for Punjabians and KPK persons. they have to compete for even a single score wheras this is not same with sindh and balochistan.[/QUOTE]


Fully agree with u

I agree present pattern of the exams is not competitive in real sense. Competitive exams means equal opportunity for each candidate in certain equal circumstances but its not so in CSS. Due to it many capable aspirants are not able to qualify it whereas some get undue favors. Following changes should be brought in my opinion:
FPSC should adopt a uniform policy towards the marking of the subjects and there should be no high scoring and low scoring subjects. Moreover, fifty percent of the each paper should consist of objective type questions with negative marking. And yes there should be no optionals as well.

Regards,

[QUOTE=suman;301639]Doing away with optional subject will no create much difference in my opinion.blaming scoring or non-scoring trend will not serve the purpose.i wonder people still believe in scoring and non-scoring subjects after seeing the result of islamic history,journalism and sociology last year which were considered as high scoring subjects.when fpsc is trying to break this trend why we can't.i believe we should try to give our best to any subject that we opt and left the rest to Allah and examiner to do justice with us.this is the competition and best will win it.:vic[/QUOTE]

He is the ALLAH who writes our fate. Thus, it means we leave everything on ALLAH, and we should not improve the method?

[QUOTE=khuram_khokhar;301696]According to me it is a competative exam but only for Punjabians and KPK persons. they have to compete for even a single score wheras this is not same with sindh and balochistan.[/QUOTE]
Sindh is divided into Urban and rural. U want open merit system?

[QUOTE=game on;301733]WELL, dear, you are absoutely right when you say that you have a right to express your point of view in no uncertain terms and i vow to defend your right to the end!
NOW, get down to the business!

AGIAN, agreed that its your aptitude that earns maximum marks. Please tell me, if i can score 100/100 in any subject if i have so called aptitude in any subject execpt mathematics? i have so called aptitude in sociology, but i cant help secure 100/100 ever in my life! DEAR, do not confuse aptitude with low/high scoring phenomenon. To me, its not a myth! A genuine fact!
IF you still disagree, then, i would agree to disagree!:dd[/QUOTE]

Agreed, dont confuse aptitude with low n hi scoring phenomenon. Aptitude and hardworking are different.
regards

[QUOTE=Ultimate CSP;301634]But if there will be no optional subjects, it will be injustice with science students. As students of History and political science and literature students already get an edge in general knowledge papers...[/QUOTE]

The exam can be blend of arts and science subjects, but all shall be compulsory.

[QUOTE=Shafique Malik;301640]We should never take a concept of low scoring or high scoring subjects. We

should subjects according to our taste and work hard. If you select high scoring

subjects and never work hard you can't qualify. But when you choose difficult

subjects and work hard with trust so you will be succeed. :))[/QUOTE]

I am not talking about low scoring and high scoring trend. What are ur views regarding the exams pattern?

I think it's a competitive exam because not one or two but all aspirants are given the chance to chose optional subjects of their choice while 6 subjects remain compulsory for all so everyone is given a chance to pickup subjects of their own choice in which they think they can score or are good

However, If there are 12 subjects and all compulsory, that will help aspirants save a month or two which they often waste wondering about the correct optional subject selection, hahahah

also, I don't think there is low scoring or high scoring subjects. If you perform better in any subject you will get marks accordingly.

[QUOTE=mukt;301826]I think it's a competitive exam because not one or two but all aspirants are given the chance to chose optional subjects of their choice while 6 subjects remain compulsory for all so everyone is given a chance to pickup subjects of their own choice in which they think they can score or are good

However, If there are 12 subjects and all compulsory, that will help aspirants save a month or two which they often waste wondering about the correct optional subject selection, hahahah

also, I don't think there is low scoring or high scoring subjects. If you perform better in any subject you will get marks accordingly.[/QUOTE]

You are right that all of the candidates get a chance to opt the subjects of their choice but the problem is that some candidates are forced to opt certain subjects on which they do not have good grip just because of this that, that particular subject is rendered as high scoring and vice versa. In this way real talent remains veiled. Moreover, You do not think that there are any high or low scoring subjects but in reality there are. The problem lies here that in some subjects candidates are not rewarded according to their hardwork while in others candidates get much more without much hardwork. This thing need to be rectified.

Regards,

Some discrimination will remain ..even if all the subjects are made compulsory.i think we have a choice and we can opt the subjects which we think are HIGH SCORING..this is not the fault of FPSC..they never said "[B]opt ARABIC this is high scoring just two tenses[/B]..If A is good in Arabic,and B is good in Urdu..then its is not the fault of FPSC that if A opted urdu and B opted Arabic and didn't scored well..before filling the forms..you have ample opprtunity to consider your options..If you are good in sciences,go for it...they are not going to compel you for SINDHI aur PASHTO paper..

[QUOTE=khanbaba512;302683]Some discrimination will remain ..even if all the subjects are made compulsory.i think we have a choice and we can opt the subjects which we think are HIGH SCORING..this is not the fault of FPSC..they never said "[B]opt ARABIC this is high scoring just two tenses[/B]..If A is good in Arabic,and B is good in Urdu..then its is not the fault of FPSC that if A opted urdu and B opted Arabic and didn't scored well..before filling the forms..you have ample opprtunity to consider your options..If you are good in sciences,go for it...they are not going to compel you for SINDHI aur PASHTO paper..[/QUOTE]

:clap fully agreed.but koi samjhay na dear!:))

[QUOTE=khanbaba512;302683]Some discrimination will remain ..even if all the subjects are made compulsory.i think we have a choice and we can opt the subjects which we think are HIGH SCORING..this is not the fault of FPSC..they never said "[B]opt ARABIC this is high scoring just two tenses[/B]..If A is good in Arabic,and B is good in Urdu..then its is not the fault of FPSC that if A opted urdu and B opted Arabic and didn't scored well..before filling the forms..you have ample opprtunity to consider your options..If you are good in sciences,go for it...they are not going to compel you for SINDHI aur PASHTO paper..[/QUOTE]

What discrimination will remain? Explain please. Considering your example what if A opts Arabic and B opts Urdu, both are good at their subjects but A scores higher because Arabic is a scoring subject and B is not able to score that much due this unjustified trend? It is the fault of FPSC that some subjects are scoring and some are not. Isn't it unjustice with those students who have background in such low scoring subjects?

Regards,

[QUOTE=Usman Cheema;302674]You are right that all of the candidates get a chance to opt the subjects of their choice but the problem is that some candidates are forced to opt certain subjects on which they do not have good grip just because of this that, that particular subject is rendered as high scoring and vice versa. In this way real talent remains veiled.[/quote]

You are probably right but then again If 12 subjects are made compulsory some people will be lucky enough having good understanding of all those 12 subjects while on other hand some people might not be well versed with most of them so I think the optional subject option is relatively better but that's just what I think, I can be wrong, of course.

[quote]Moreover, You do not think that there are any high or low scoring subjects but in reality there are. The problem lies here that in some subjects candidates are not rewarded according to their hardwork while in others candidates get much more without much hardwork. This thing need to be rectified.

Regards,[/QUOTE]

I personally have not attempted the Exam yet so my own views are not based on experience however what I hear from here and there is the same as you say but that doesn't go down my throat for some odd reason.

What according to you or others are scoring subjects though? Just curious in knowing some names :)

then don't select the subject which is LOW SCORING from your point of view..i never scored morethan 60 in URDU doesn't mean that nobody can score better than that..there is no continuous trend is css exams..Accounting is considered a high scoring subject but not every year..but still no body is forcing you to select a perticular subject..if some body is willing to select only HIGH SCORING SUBJECT then he can select applied mathematics,pure maths,physics,chemistry etc...most of the students know 2+2 in maths..as far as discrimination is concerned..[I]tu bhai ksi ne nahi kaha tha k MATHS parho ya RIAZEEEE[/I] ...fpsc can't satisfy every css aspirant..ok suppose that they have selected 6 more subjects and now the total cumpulsory subjects are 12 new subjects are
1:Economics
2:public administration
3:urdu
4:islamic history
5:international relations
6:constitutional law

Now there is no way that one person is expert in all the subjects..he have to work hard to remove his weakness in some subjects..so osme students will say that still there is discrimination and another thread with the name "Discrimination with science students":happy:

by the way tell me ..you can't have 98 numbers in english but u can gain 96,97 marks in mathematics...do you think that this is discrimination or ...

[QUOTE=mukt;302731]You are probably right but then again If 12 subjects are made compulsory some people will be lucky enough having good understanding of all those 12 subjects while on other hand some people might not be well versed with most of them so I think the optional subject option is relatively better but that's just what I think, I can be wrong, of course.[/QUOTE]We are not saying to make all 12 subjects as compulsories, they can be reduced to 8 or 10. Furthermore, I think if one intends to compete on such a level then he should be well versed with a greater number of subjects.
[QUOTE=mukt;302731]I personally have not attempted the Exam yet so my own views are not based on experience however what I hear from here and there is the same as you say but that doesn't go down my throat for some odd reason.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you will understand this phenomenon better when you will experience it your self.
[QUOTE=mukt;302731]What according to you or others are scoring subjects though? Just curious in knowing some names :)[/QUOTE]
Explore the forum, you will get an idea:).
[QUOTE=khanbaba512;302784]then don't select the subject which is LOW SCORING from your point of view..i never scored morethan 60 in URDU doesn't mean that nobody can score better than that..there is no continuous trend is css exams..Accounting is considered a high scoring subject but not every year..but still no body is forcing you to select a perticular subject..if some body is willing to select only HIGH SCORING SUBJECT then he can select applied mathematics,pure maths,physics,chemistry etc...most of the students know 2+2 in maths..as far as discrimination is concerned..[I]tu bhai ksi ne nahi kaha tha k MATHS parho ya RIAZEEEE[/I] ...fpsc can't satisfy every css aspirant..ok suppose that they have selected 6 more subjects and now the total cumpulsory subjects are 12 new subjects are
1:Economics
2:public administration
3:urdu
4:islamic history
5:international relations
6:constitutional law

Now there is no way that one person is expert in all the subjects..he have to work hard to remove his weakness in some subjects..so osme students will say that still there is discrimination and another thread with the name "Discrimination with science students":happy:

by the way tell me ..you can't have 98 numbers in english but u can gain 96,97 marks in mathematics...do you think that this is discrimination or ...[/QUOTE]
I am sorry man I am not getting what you are trying to say here.

Regards,

I maintain my views..that there should be a greater uniformity in the standard of process used to select the Civil servants..It is the need of the hour to phase out the 'luck factor' from CSS examinations..After all.what justice is this that someone opting for Persian,US history,European history etc has a better chance of getting through than someone choosing Public Add,Economics,Indo Pak history etc,the kind of subjects that are much more relevant and useful for this kind of service...why do u need some1 well versed with persian or U.S history when it isn't going to help a bit in the line of work..There should be a single list of subjects and everyone should be judged on those.I think these compulsory subjects should be added to the list of the ones already compulsory:

Public Administration
Development and general economics
Computer Skills and basic IT
Sociology
Indo-Pak history
Basic Law of the land

Ek taraf hum apni ghulamana zahniyat ka rona rotay hein,doosri taraf we have subjects like American and British history in our CIVIL SERVICES exam...I don't find any sense in this..

Here is my question to the 12 compulsory subjects theory
How is it going to make the exams more competitive when the students attempting CSS come from vastly different educational backgrounds?
I mean what possible combination of 12 subjects is there which every person attempting CSS would have studied previously? I don't think there is any considering that people ranging from engineers to doctors to lawyers to graduates from various fields all aspire to be civil servants.
I think what we need is a uniform policy regarding the difficulty level of the optional exams and their marking and perhaps even additional tests to judge aptitude, something along the lines of SAT may be?

If u have these 12 compulsory subjects..like those that I have mentioned..it would ensure nobody has studies all of them..An arts student might have studied Indo Pak history and sociology..An economics student might have studied economics..This makes the exam more competitive by limiting the undue advantage that some people get..Just consider engineers who can opt for Maths and Physics together..This makes for a combination that has 400 high scoring marks..and this immediately puts the others at disadvantage..And I reiterate that u can't compare a person who has 200 marks economics with a person with 200 marks persian..Ofcourse the person with economics has studied far more,opted for a much riskier subject than the one who has got persian..My point is that we should have subjects that are useful in the future as well..How is persian ,arabic and U.S history going to help in most service groups in CSS..

@ hamza
I reckon my point still stands, don't you think the combination you've mentioned would be unfair to a person who has studied say maths or physics or biology as compared to someone with a degree in computer science or economics?
I agree that subjects like Persian and European history etc are not very useful for a civil servant in Pakistan so perhaps a SAT like test is a more suitable option. After all a high score on SAT is good enough to get you into Yale, Harvard and Princeton etc so shouldn't it be a good measure for judging CSS candidates?

@ Hamza
well Hamza i agree with u that subjects like British history and European history will not be of any help to civil servants in their line of work.i have heard that fpsc is considering to induct Economics,Public adminstration,con.law and urdu as compulsory subjects.apart from urdu other three subjects will be useful for future csp but in my opinion no language whether regional or urdu should be made compulsory.
@ gameface
dear whether candidate has studied maths or biology does not matter in his group allocation.all csp officers have to study some common subjects.it is not necessary that all subjects suit the academic background of every candidate.:happy:

Wouldn't u think this will make the exams highly partisan in the favour of people who have studied mathematics and have been educated in the O'level system(Mind it that I also am an O.Level student)..I don't think a shallow exam based on the pattern of SAT or GMAT would be good enough for choosing civil servants..I have taken GMAT and tub mujhe andaza hua tha k what a joke GMAT was:ppThey should have a system in place which makes a level playing field for every candidate..Answering ur argument,I think a non-maths student would be at a similar disadvantage at Computer and IT skills..And the economics that FPSC is going to introduce is Development Economics..it isn't hardcore stuff like macroeconomics etc,rather a theoretical subject..
Plus,in Civil Services u got to have aptitude for subjects like Pakistan Affairs,Current Affairs etc..coz Physics isn't gonna help u as a DMG officer..Pak affairs,development economics or Law surely will..So these subjects are a necessary evil because Civil services is made for someone who has a grasp on these 'Analytical subjects'..I am myself a finance student,and thought it was hard on us that we had to study these non technical and art subjects in CSS..But now I find,that really they are the subjects that are going to make u a Civil servant.It takes more aptitude getting a perfect Pak Affairs paper than a Perfect Maths or Finance paper..THAT IS precisely why these are compulsories..This means that unless u got aptitude and understanding of these subjects,no way ur gonna be a CSP.U might become a CSP with a failed optional,but not a failed compulsory:)That's y FPSC is now closing the door on these 40 optionals..

[QUOTE=suman;304025]@ Hamza
well Hamza i agree with u that subjects like British history and European history will not be of any help to civil servants in their line of work.i have heard that fpsc is considering to induct Economics,Public adminstration,con.law and urdu as compulsory subjects.apart from urdu other three subjects will be useful for future csp but in my opinion no language whether regional or urdu should be made compulsory.
[/QUOTE]

First of all let me tell you that the subjects which are being considered to be made compulsories are public administration and urdu to the best of my knowledge. Secondly, why Urdu should not be made as compulsory? Would you please explain with some reasons? Its none but our national language. I hereby wanna qoute Hamza brother that on one side we mourn that we have became a slave nation because of the policies of our rulers but have a look at our menatality, we are ready to appear in two papers of english i.e precis paper and essay paper but not ready to accept our national language as a compulsory subject:huh:.
@Hamza Salick
I strongly second you on this that subjects like Public Administration, Economics, Computer Skills and basic IT, Sociology, Indo-Pak history
Basic Law of the land and Urdu must be made compulsories and there should be no optionals at all. This would help to make civil servants more capable of serving the nation in a better way and would also minimize the role of Luck in exams.

Regards,

[QUOTE=Usman Cheema;304050]First of all let me tell you that the subjects which are being considered to be made compulsories are public administration and urdu to the best of my knowledge. Secondly, why Urdu should not be made as compulsory? Would you please explain with some reasons? Its none but our national language. I hereby wanna qoute Hamza brother that on one side we mourn that we have became a slave nation because of the policies of our rulers but have a look at our menatality, we are ready to appear in two papers of english i.e precis paper and essay paper but not ready to accept our national language as a compulsory subject:huh:.
Yes, urdu is our national language but if i oppose it induction as a compulsory subject it does not mean that we have became a slave nation and when we appear in two papers of english language than why not urdu.people of four provinces r demanding national language status for their regional languages then why not these languages be made compulsory and i want to know how urdu will help civil servants because as a national language we know it enough to serve the purpose.

[QUOTE=Usman Cheema;304050]First of all let me tell you that the subjects which are being considered to be made compulsories are public administration and urdu to the best of my knowledge. Secondly, why Urdu should not be made as compulsory? Would you please explain with some reasons? Its none but our national language. I hereby wanna qoute Hamza brother that on one side we mourn that we have became a slave nation because of the policies of our rulers but have a look at our menatality, we are ready to appear in two papers of english i.e precis paper and essay paper but not ready to accept our national language as a compulsory subject:huh:.
@Hamza Salick
I strongly second you on this that subjects like Public Administration, Economics, Computer Skills and basic IT, Sociology, Indo-Pak history
Basic Law of the land and Urdu must be made compulsories and there should be no optionals at all. This would help to make civil servants more capable of serving the nation in a better way and would also minimize the role of Luck in exams.

Regards,[/QUOTE]

Yeah I agree with u completely..Urdu should be added to compulsories as well.And optionals should be dispensed away with.

But I would like to add that the standard of urdu that we demand in CSS papers shouldn't be very high..It should be much like 'Functional Urdu'..Because if we start taking the CSS compulsory Urdu on the same line s of PMS Urdu,it would skew the exam in favour of Punjab candidates..Because after all,they have the best urdu skills barring a few people from Karachi..This would put off people from Sindh,Baluchistan and KPK..Urdu should be there,no doubt,but the standard shouldn't be very high..

[QUOTE=suman;304058]Yes, urdu is our national language but if i oppose it induction as a compulsory subject it does not mean that we have became a slave nation and when we appear in two papers of english language than why not urdu.people of four provinces r demanding national language status for their regional languages then why not these languages be made compulsory and i want to know how urdu will help civil servants because as a national language we know it enough to serve the purpose.[/QUOTE]

I am not able to understand that either you are speaking in the favor of Urdu here or against it.

@Hamza Salick

Fully agreed.

Regards,