@comm 786: It is not injustice to give a chance to Armed forces officers to apply for CSS and get inducted as a CSS Officer. Pl bear in mind Armed forces officers never requested anyone for the stated exemption. Secondly, the CSS officers may also get inducted into military and there is no one to stop them. Thirdly, induction into Forces through commission is not an easy task either. It is an 8 months long tough and teasing process. One undergoes initial Academic, intelligence and Psychology tests, then medical tests , then interview then one is invited to ISSB or rejected, then in ISSB one has to undergo a tough screening process of 04 days, then very very few r selected others r rejected, then one has to undergo a thorough medical check up at Karachi encompassing numerous tests and even then after some others are ousted on medical grounds the remaining r not sure whether they will be finally selected or not because a merit list is then prepared and even many others r ousted...so the process of comissioning in Armed forces is as difficult as induction into civil services would be. A military officer is tested on sooooo many grounds. Fourthly, the qualifications of Armed forces officers are undermined i think. once inducted, the military officers keep on studying and most of them complete their masters in less than 04 years time and some even go for PHds......

@ Umar Awan: I agree with u bro..

@ Muhammad T.S Awan : Brother thanx alot for clarification about working environment in civil. But i have a friend of mine in PSP and one other in DMG and they both really demotivated me when they narrated me some very astonishing stories of how an officer is pressurized and demeaned. the PSP offcier said he even has been bullied by one of his constables and that too on more than one occassions. He says the constable told him that if he dismissed him he himself would have to again reinstate him...He also said that once he caught few smugglers, their head called him and told him that how would he feel if his daughter, son, uncle etc (naming them all) are killed one by one...so he better freed his men than to lose his family members.....What do yo say?

Agreed. Such factors are not strong because they have strength, they are strong because we (we stand for executive machinery) is going to be weaker day by day. Sometime it is the issue of getting some perks, or sometime it is making links, doing some part time business or getting extra benefits etc which make us weak...

I often read/hear a saying, 'everybody can work in excellent environment, but greater fun and pleasure lies in working at strange /resource deficient environment.' Hope you are getting what am trying to say

Further, there are a lot of promising stories in civil services as well. But it does not mean that one should get demotivated from such things, your friends are still working in their respective departments, which implies that there is some benefit therefore they are keeping up their jobs!.. Such troubles are more in PSP then in PAS/former DMG and sometime these problems are linked with our armed forces structure as well (troubles are also in armed forces)....

Brother re-read last line of my previous post, i quote ''but if the officer is upright/competent and knows his responsibilities, limitations, strengths and powers etc, he can sail well anywhere.'' There are many ways to adjust/fix things and if the things are not easy to be adjusted/being fixed then option of transfer is always available ...

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[QUOTE]Being the daughter of an Airforce officer, I totally agree with what you have said about armed forces training and tough life.

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@ Muhammad T.S Awan: Brother being officer of Air Force I have to deal with numerous situations where I am under immense pressure, sometimes professional some other times personalized pressures...But what I have not seen in Armed Forces is political pressure which is a great blessing. In armed Forces you may be pressurized personally by a senior Officer but for that he has to have a blackmailing point for you. Yet again, in such a scenario you have a well defined procedure to take him to task legally if you are sure you can prove that you are being illegally pressurized by him. But i wonder if such a procedure exists in civil to deal with politicians and if it exists that would exist in a politically diluted form. But i agree with you that one should enjoy working under a stressful environment. I personally do and i have never compromised my self respect and self esteem under any pressure. At one instance, just for the sake of PAF I had to deal with a civilian in a manner that left that civilian (18 grade officer) utterly humiliated (he had abused PAF for no apparent reason) and I was given a warning letter (you see "pressure", I love it). But my brother family is never involved in Armed forces even in personal matters. In civil services I have heard lots of stories where officers were blackmailed had they not done such and such their family would face such and such consequences...that is not an acceptable game....illegal and unlike of a truly sovereign islamic country and nation

well, kindly read my post again!
Had i mentioned about justice or injustice??
Rather, i mentioned about UPPER HAND only, and that is obvious and such a reality which, at least, can neither be challenged nor be ignored in Pakistan; therefore, don't try to elaborate my statement in negative sense.
Secondly, i already said that i love and respect military due to its patriotism for dear homeland. So, the only point, i thought about, was that'' military officials are already in military bureaucracy, aren't they? then instead of switching over to civilian bureaucracy, they should serve there due to the fact that each one of the officers have been spent over with thousands of rupees, having that specific training for best defence of motherland for which they take oath, and is being paid there with attractive salaries as well- other perks and privileges are in addition to this- then, why such a competent soldier thinks about quitting that service??? Has he fed up with that life- might be boring for some one due to strict discipline.
In this case, isn't this a waste of talent and money of this poorly manged country??? while knowing the reality that competent officers can be inducted in civil from this poor society too- which is, infact, at the mercy of these upper hand holders most of the times.

lastly, 70% people will dis-agree with this statement that ''issb and css are of equal nature''.

Being a loyal citizen of PAKISTAN (ALHAMDULLILIAH), i not only respect laws of the state, but in-fact try to follow them as well, so any one who joins military or civilian institutes has all his/her rights reserved.
Every thing mentioned above is merely my personal opinion, any one can agree or dis-agree.
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@ Comm 786: Brother your statements implied that you consider it injustice for Armed forces officers to be inducted into civil services just you implied from my statement that i thought that "ISSB and CSS were of equal nature" whereas i didnt mention such words anywhere.....got it?

Sorry if any of my words have hurt your feelings, really sorry..

can short commission officer of pak Navy apply in CSS if yes then what will be the maximum age limit?

@ Rendezvous ; One can cope with the political pressures with pragmatism and positive approach.

There are many PSPs /PASs giving a cold shoulder to politicians for any unnecessary works and carrying out their jobs with responsibilities. However, it varies for civil servants as well as on politicians. Its a sort of power game including witty tricks . .. Any how good luck with your career.

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@ Adnan Quadian: No sir they cant...

@ Muhammad T.S. Awan: Yes sir you are right. and it seems that politics has become our second nature because i have noticed that we Pakistanis in our daily routine life also act so much politically.... Anyhow, lets see sir..thanks for good wishes sir.

Dear sir, dealing things politically is perhaps not the norm of only Pakistani society, I think every other human being deals with others/many things politically. Be it a father, mother, son, husband, wife, sister or brother . However, intervention of country politics/politicians into civil service business is a dismay and one of major cause of poor/bad governance of our country. And this thing is not a new phenomenon either, as we can see some of intial communications of Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah to the civil servants whereby he desired the civil servants to become servants of the nation/people instead of servants of any politician/political party.

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