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[Rendezvous]

Salam Gentlemen/Women! I m a purely new entrant of CSS forum and therefore would be needing ur support alot throughout. I have recently applied for conversion from Army Officership to Civil Services on receipt of a notification in this regard from the ministry of Defence. i would like to know only the fact that whether:

1. My ante date seniority will be adjusted in my new Service?
2. For example, if I join Police Service (insha Allah), when will my promotion to SP from ASP take place if I have say 6 years of Service before?

Kindly enlighten.....

[Muhammad T S Awan]

AoA

Welcome to CSS Forum Pakistan.

No.

Dear your seniority in civil services will be counted from the date when you will join civil services, alongwith your batchmates in PSP/PAS/FSP whatever service you join.

Regards

[Rendezvous]

I would also like u guys to please clarify the prevalent situation in Civil. I mean how freely an officer may perform his job in civil?Are there any undue political or professional pressures? I have seen some of the posts on this very forum from some very senior CSS qualified officers showing their resent for, for example PSP or DMG due to overt involvement of politics and other undue pressures....Pl comment whether this is true or is it those officers inability to cope with some untoward situations which normally a professional has to face in any profession.

[comm786]

i've heard that military officers need not appear in written test. is it?
if yes, then how is it possible to join civil service? while having not that plenty of knowledge. because most of the military officials have low qualification i.e., Fa/Fsc.
please clarify.
regards

[Aariz Ahmad]

@ Rendezvous

Dear Sir,
Please would you enlighten us that:
1. Are all armed forces officers allowed to join the civil service or only Pak. Army officers may become CSPs?
2. What is the required rank to join civil service from armed forces?
3. Is it easy to get into PSP, PAS or FSP or there is the same rigorous competition in armed forces too for these departments?
4. Do you undergo any test(s) being conducted among the armed forces officers for these CSP positions?

BTW, PSP has its own charm

[adeel abdullah]

Originally Posted by Aariz Ahmad

@ Rendezvous

Dear Sir,
Please would you enlighten us that:
1. Are all armed forces officers allowed to join the civil service or only Pak. Army officers may become CSPs?
2. What is the required rank to join civil service from armed forces?
3. Is it easy to get into PSP, PAS or FSP or there is the same rigorous competition in armed forces too for these departments?
4. Do you undergo any test(s) being conducted among the armed forces officers for these CSP positions?

BTW, PSP has its own charm

for all concerned, i will share the correct information here regarding the induction of armed forces officers into civil services. as all of you know there is a specific quota in css for armed forces officers (army,navy and air force all). their age eligibility is as same as that of civil candidates appearing in the css. the desirous officers show their willingness and then they are directly sent for interview. i think there is no problem for them because they are just to qualify the interview and nothing else. one more thing, i want to make clear here that those who join from armed forces, carry their seniority in their present rank with them through out services and they get promotions and others perks according to their seniority they draw from their armed forces.

[BlackTiger]

Salam.
five to 7 years commissioned service is required and age up to 32 years.
10 percent quota is reserved for armed forces (army,navy and paf) in dmg,psp and fsp. every year almost 12-15 officers are inducted in civil service from armed forces. issb is considered equal to written test of css.
well may candidates from armed forces appear on open merit but with subject to have completed five years commissioned service.

regard

[comm786]

and a civil candidate has to get sooooper score in written with at least 10 months preparation, and then again depends on luck that will he/she qualify for next steps or not.
we, pakistanis, love pak military but here again military has upper hand over civilians.
by the way thanks for information.

[umar awan]

I would like to tell all that the quota mentioned above i.e 10 to 15 percent is a myth.I have my brother working in DMG as Commissioner and he told me that it is totally your ability and capability which makes your promotion package fast.The armed officers who are allowed to come directly in the interview bypassing the written examination from the ministry of defence are coming through a quota which is 5 percent.The other officers are bound to pass through the same process as other candidates.

One thing more that the competition does not end by passing css examination infact the true competition starts with this where you have to compete the,hmmm I can say,with the DECENT DEVILS hehe it does not matter you are a civilian or an armed officer the obvious rule which is defined to survive in bureaucracy is SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST.

regards.

[Muhammad T S Awan]

Originally Posted by Rendezvous

I would also like u guys to please clarify the prevalent situation in Civil. I mean how freely an officer may perform his job in civil?Are there any undue political or professional pressures? I have seen some of the posts on this very forum from some very senior CSS qualified officers showing their resent for, for example PSP or DMG due to overt involvement of politics and other undue pressures....Pl comment whether this is true or is it those officers inability to cope with some untoward situations which normally a professional has to face in any profession.

An officer can work freely and independently as per his/her job description and rules of business. What is this professional pressure! All told, pressures are everywhere, be it PSP, PAS/former DMG, Customs, Pakistan Audit & Accounts or Military Land Group.. Sometime it is the pressure of some senior (senior may be a uniformed IG, DIG, Brigadier, General or Additional Secretary or Secretary) or sometime it is pressure from politician , but if the officer is upright/competent and knows his responsibilities, limitations, strengths and powers etc, he can sail well anywhere.