Monday, April 29, 2024
12:12 PM (GMT +5)

Go Back   CSS Forums > Beginner's Guide > Frequently Asked Questions

Frequently Asked Questions Please read the posts before posting the queries.

Reply Share Thread: Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook     Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter     Submit Thread to Google+ Google+    
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old Monday, January 14, 2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: karachi
Posts: 173
Thanks: 302
Thanked 85 Times in 48 Posts
Intifada is on a distinguished road
Default What is Commons?

I want to know that what are these COMMON. i am very curious to know about that. kindly answer in detail. jazaka`ALLAH.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old Monday, January 14, 2013
marilatif's Avatar
39th CTP (MLCG)
CSP Medal: Awarded to those Members of the forum who are serving CSP Officers - Issue reason: CE 2010 - Merit 423Medal of Appreciation: Awarded to appreciate member's contribution on forum. (Academic and professional achievements do not make you eligible for this medal) - Issue reason:
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: In bed
Posts: 511
Thanks: 262
Thanked 652 Times in 414 Posts
marilatif is a glorious beacon of lightmarilatif is a glorious beacon of lightmarilatif is a glorious beacon of lightmarilatif is a glorious beacon of lightmarilatif is a glorious beacon of light
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Intifada View Post
dear ma`am i want to know that what are these COMMON. i am very curious to know about that. kindly answer in detail. jazaka`ALLAH.
Commoner are group of CSS qualified people, who are allocated in one of twelve groups of Civil Service of Pakistan. Their initial training is held jointly in Civil Services Academy, Walton, Lahore, where they are called Commoners. It is so because they get a Common Training without specific to any group. After completion of their Common Training they go to their respective specialized academies for Special Training related to their own group/service.

I hope you would have understood.
__________________
"pattering your life around others opinion is nothing more than slavery"
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to marilatif For This Useful Post:
Intifada (Tuesday, January 15, 2013), khan Shaheer (Tuesday, January 15, 2013)
  #3  
Old Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: karachi
Posts: 173
Thanks: 302
Thanked 85 Times in 48 Posts
Intifada is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by marilatif View Post
Commoner are group of CSS qualified people, who are allocated in one of twelve groups of Civil Service of Pakistan. Their initial training is held jointly in Civil Services Academy, Walton, Lahore, where they are called Commoners. It is so because they get a Common Training without specific to any group. After completion of their Common Training they go to their respective specialized academies for Special Training related to their own group/service.

I hope you would have understood.
thank you sir for detailed ans but there z still a question ,coming through my mind. what is the reason behind their calling of 39th common etc.? jazaka`ALLAH.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Last Island's Avatar
Royal Queen of Literature
Medal of Appreciation: Awarded to appreciate member's contribution on forum. (Academic and professional achievements do not make you eligible for this medal) - Issue reason: AppreciationBest Moderator Award: Awarded for censoring all swearing and keeping posts in order. - Issue reason: Best ModGold Medal: Awarded to those members with  maximum number of  reputation points. - Issue reason: For the year 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011Member of the Year: Awarded to those community members who have made invaluable contributions to the Community in the particular year - Issue reason: 2008Diligent Service Medal: Awarded upon completion of 5 years of dedicated services and contribution to the community. - Issue reason: More than 5 years of dedicated servicesModerator: Ribbon awarded to moderators of the forum - Issue reason:
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Forest of Fallen Stars
Posts: 7,585
Thanks: 2,427
Thanked 15,848 Times in 5,006 Posts
Last Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardom
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Intifada View Post
thank you sir for detailed ans but there z still a question ,coming through my mind. what is the reason behind their calling of 39th common etc.? jazaka`ALLAH.
The method started in 1973 and the officers passed out that year were named 1st Common.
__________________
The Me you have always known, the Me that's a stranger still.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Last Island For This Useful Post:
Intifada (Tuesday, January 15, 2013), khan Shaheer (Tuesday, January 15, 2013)
  #5  
Old Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Muhammad T S Awan's Avatar
Senior Member
Medal of Appreciation: Awarded to appreciate member's contribution on forum. (Academic and professional achievements do not make you eligible for this medal) - Issue reason: AppreciationDiligent Service Medal: Awarded upon completion of 5 years of dedicated services and contribution to the community. - Issue reason:
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Land of Uncia Uncia :)
Posts: 2,071
Thanks: 1,731
Thanked 2,264 Times in 1,100 Posts
Muhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant future
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Intifada View Post
I want to know that what are these COMMON. i am very curious to know about that. kindly answer in detail. jazaka`ALLAH.
AoA,

The British India had a central superior civil service system known as Indian Civil Service (ICS), and after partition, Pakistan converted this nomenclature to Civil Service of Pakistan (CSP) which remained continued for many years. Notably, the Foreign Service, Police Service, Custom Service, Accounts Service, Economic Service etc. were different then this CSP service, mean that CSP was the predecessor of current PAS/former DMG and examinations were held separately for CSP and Foreign Service etc.

After fall of Dhakka in 1971, Z.A Bhutto became the Chief Executive/Chief Martial Law Administrator and started reforms in many sectors including the civil services. He had got an impression that lot of CSPs are proud, bigot, power hungry, greedy and they act as a power hub/pressure group etc, he sent many CSPs home including many able officers…

The government under Z.A. Bhutto made administrative reforms and a new civil structure was developed, whereby a central examination was prescribed for entry into civil services. And Civil Service Act and other allied rules /regulations were also prescribed in 1973. Initially after central examination all probationers were required to undergo a training program at Civil Service Academy Lahore. Prior to this course, nobody was to be allocated any group and they were allocated groups after completion of that central training programme that is why that training programme was named Common Training Program and probationers were called commoners. Mean a probationer was not allocated any group before completion of said training and everybody was doing training together as a common civil servant and their occupational groups were decided as per their performance in training and their aptitude as well as per the whims/strings of seniors….. etc.

However, after some time this system was abolished and allocations were made as per merit position after the entry examination. But the terminology of commoner kept working and now by Common Training Program it is meant that the training program which is common for every occupational group and such a probationer officer is called commoner. Since, the commoner system was started in 1973 so first group was named 1st Common, and 1974, 1975.. , 2nd, 3rd and so on.
__________________
'Thee woh ik shakhs kay tasawar saay - abb woh ranayee khayal kahaan'
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Muhammad T S Awan For This Useful Post:
hamza khan (Saturday, January 19, 2013), Intifada (Tuesday, January 15, 2013), khan Shaheer (Tuesday, January 15, 2013), marilatif (Tuesday, January 15, 2013), Taimoor Gondal (Tuesday, January 15, 2013)
  #6  
Old Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: karachi
Posts: 173
Thanks: 302
Thanked 85 Times in 48 Posts
Intifada is on a distinguished road
Default thank you sir.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muhammad T S Awan View Post
AoA,

The British India had a central superior civil service system known as Indian Civil Service (ICS), and after partition, Pakistan converted this nomenclature to Civil Service of Pakistan (CSP) which remained continued for many years. Notably, the Foreign Service, Police Service, Custom Service, Accounts Service, Economic Service etc. were different then this CSP service, mean that CSP was the predecessor of current PAS/former DMG and examinations were held separately for CSP and Foreign Service etc.

After fall of Dhakka in 1971, Z.A Bhutto became the Chief Executive/Chief Martial Law Administrator and started reforms in many sectors including the civil services. He had got an impression that lot of CSPs are proud, bigot, power hungry, greedy and they act as a power hub/pressure group etc, he sent many CSPs home including many able officers…

The government under Z.A. Bhutto made administrative reforms and a new civil structure was developed, whereby a central examination was prescribed for entry into civil services. And Civil Service Act and other allied rules /regulations were also prescribed in 1973. Initially after central examination all probationers were required to undergo a training program at Civil Service Academy Lahore. Prior to this course, nobody was to be allocated any group and they were allocated groups after completion of that central training programme that is why that training programme was named Common Training Program and probationers were called commoners. Mean a probationer was not allocated any group before completion of said training and everybody was doing training together as a common civil servant and their occupational groups were decided as per their performance in training and their aptitude as well as per the whims/strings of seniors….. etc.

However, after some time this system was abolished and allocations were made as per merit position after the entry examination. But the terminology of commoner kept working and now by Common Training Program it is meant that the training program which is common for every occupational group and such a probationer officer is called commoner. Since, the commoner system was started in 1973 so first group was named 1st Common, and 1974, 1975.. , 2nd, 3rd and so on.
thank you sir for such detail...and answer but i am confused at a point that is : agar they are still called as commoners and get a common training so where do they get this from and are they get this training together? moreover , if these groups (foreign,police etc) were seperate from csp then what was csp responsible for then? hope i have not bothered you sir and you will reply with same generosity.

Last edited by Arain007; Tuesday, January 15, 2013 at 08:35 PM. Reason: avoid net speak and spelling mistakes. you are already warned no. of times
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Muhammad T S Awan's Avatar
Senior Member
Medal of Appreciation: Awarded to appreciate member's contribution on forum. (Academic and professional achievements do not make you eligible for this medal) - Issue reason: AppreciationDiligent Service Medal: Awarded upon completion of 5 years of dedicated services and contribution to the community. - Issue reason:
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Land of Uncia Uncia :)
Posts: 2,071
Thanks: 1,731
Thanked 2,264 Times in 1,100 Posts
Muhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant futureMuhammad T S Awan has a brilliant future
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Intifada View Post
thank you sir for such detail...and answer but i am confused at a point that is : agar they are still called as commoners and get a common training so where do they get this from and are they get this training together? moreover , if these groups (foreign,police etc) were seperate from csp then what was csp responsible for then?
After these administrative reforms, the newly amalgamated structure having various occupational groups was named CSP, while nomenclature of previous CSP was changed to DMG. To be precise, the previous CSP (pre-1973) was responsible for all works, for which the current PAS /former DMG is responsible.

"agar they are still called as commoners and get a common training so where do they get this from" sorry did not get you. What do you want to ask? As of today, a commoner is a probationer civil servant (of any occupational group), who is undergoing CTP (Common Training Program) at CSA (Civil Services Academy).
__________________
'Thee woh ik shakhs kay tasawar saay - abb woh ranayee khayal kahaan'
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Arain007's Avatar
Czar
Medal of Appreciation: Awarded to appreciate member's contribution on forum. (Academic and professional achievements do not make you eligible for this medal) - Issue reason:
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Venus
Posts: 4,106
Thanks: 2,700
Thanked 4,064 Times in 1,854 Posts
Arain007 has a brilliant futureArain007 has a brilliant futureArain007 has a brilliant futureArain007 has a brilliant futureArain007 has a brilliant futureArain007 has a brilliant futureArain007 has a brilliant futureArain007 has a brilliant futureArain007 has a brilliant futureArain007 has a brilliant futureArain007 has a brilliant future
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Intifada View Post
agar they are still called as commoners and get a common training so where do they get this from and are they get this training together?
"Common" is only the title of CSP Officers. e-g "41st Common" means 41st batch of CSP officers. There is no link between this word "Common" and its dictionary meaning. In CSS it is represented as a title. All officers of a particular batch/common get training from Civil Services Academy Lahore.
__________________
Kon Kehta hy k Main Gum-naam ho jaon ga
Main tu aik Baab hn Tareekh mein Likha jaon ga
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Arain007 For This Useful Post:
Intifada (Tuesday, January 15, 2013), Muhammad T S Awan (Tuesday, January 15, 2013)
  #9  
Old Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: karachi
Posts: 173
Thanks: 302
Thanked 85 Times in 48 Posts
Intifada is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muhammad T S Awan View Post
After these administrative reforms, the newly amalgamated structure having various occupational groups was named CSP, while nomenclature of previous CSP was changed to DMG. To be precise, the previous CSP (pre-1973) was responsible for all works, for which the current PAS /former DMG is responsible.

"agar they are still called as commoners and get a common training so where do they get this from" sorry did not get you. What do you want to ask? As of today, a commoner is a probationer civil servant (of any occupational group), who is undergoing CTP (Common Training Program) at CSA (Civil Services Academy).
thank you sir i got all my answers expt one i want to know that do they get training at the same time at same platform. e.g does a dmg gets this ctp along with fsp member? hope i have made you clear my query.thank you.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Last Island's Avatar
Royal Queen of Literature
Medal of Appreciation: Awarded to appreciate member's contribution on forum. (Academic and professional achievements do not make you eligible for this medal) - Issue reason: AppreciationBest Moderator Award: Awarded for censoring all swearing and keeping posts in order. - Issue reason: Best ModGold Medal: Awarded to those members with  maximum number of  reputation points. - Issue reason: For the year 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011Member of the Year: Awarded to those community members who have made invaluable contributions to the Community in the particular year - Issue reason: 2008Diligent Service Medal: Awarded upon completion of 5 years of dedicated services and contribution to the community. - Issue reason: More than 5 years of dedicated servicesModerator: Ribbon awarded to moderators of the forum - Issue reason:
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Forest of Fallen Stars
Posts: 7,585
Thanks: 2,427
Thanked 15,848 Times in 5,006 Posts
Last Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardomLast Island is headed toward stardom
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Intifada View Post
agar they are still called as commoners and get a common training so where do they get this from
Civil Services Academy, Lahore.

Quote:
and are they get this training together?
Yes

Quote:
moreover , if these groups (foreign,police etc) were seperate from csp then what was csp responsible for then? hope i have not bothered you sir and you will reply with same generosity.
They are allocated into different groups. After CTP, they undergo STP (Specialized Training Program) in their own professional academies and institutes.

PAS - Civil Services Academy - Shahrah-e-Quaid-e-Azam Campus.
PSP - National Police Academy
PAAS - Audit and Accounts Training Institute, Lahore
IRS - Directorate General of Training and Research, Lahore
FSP - Foreign Service Academy, Islamabad
CTG - Pakistan Institute of Trade and Development
IG - Information Service Academy
MLCG - CIMLA, R A Bazar Lahore
OMG - Secretariat Training Institute
PG - Postal Staff College, Islamabad
RCTG - Paksitan Railways Academy, Walton, Lahore
__________________
The Me you have always known, the Me that's a stranger still.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Last Island For This Useful Post:
comm786 (Tuesday, January 15, 2013), Rida Malik (Wednesday, February 06, 2013)
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
26th Commons Allocation List/Names Required redmax Site Feedback 0 Monday, June 18, 2012 12:59 PM
British History: Prime Ministers (with Pictures) Surmount British History 37 Wednesday, November 03, 2010 08:47 PM


CSS Forum on Facebook Follow CSS Forum on Twitter

Disclaimer: All messages made available as part of this discussion group (including any bulletin boards and chat rooms) and any opinions, advice, statements or other information contained in any messages posted or transmitted by any third party are the responsibility of the author of that message and not of CSSForum.com.pk (unless CSSForum.com.pk is specifically identified as the author of the message). The fact that a particular message is posted on or transmitted using this web site does not mean that CSSForum has endorsed that message in any way or verified the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message. We encourage visitors to the forum to report any objectionable message in site feedback. This forum is not monitored 24/7.

Sponsors: ArgusVision   vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.