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Zain.ul.Abidin Wednesday, May 12, 2010 02:29 PM

Life in FSP
 
I am a lowly officer of Foreign Service of Pakistan. When I am writing this message I am attending a lecture in a conference room regarding 16th International Junior Diplomats Course 2010 Ankara. This is my first ever tour abroad. This is a 40 days long course which include Lectures and Excursion. We are junior diplomats from 55 nations in one class room, which is actually a conference room of a five star Hotel. We also live here. We visited Capadokia, Izmir, Istanbul, and of course the legendary Troy. IF YOU ASK ME, "LIFE IS ALL WHAT WE CALL FOREIGN SERVICE OF PAKISTAN". Stay in Five star Hotels (Hilton,Plaza,Kolin etc), Best Cuisine (Free of course), A lot of Dollars in your pocket provided by Turkish Foreign Ministry. Beach Parties and Night Clubs (Official By Ministry of Course). Everybody have to give a presentation on his country....and Mark my words Pakistan stands prominent amongst all....Diplomats just want to listen to you Shake hand with you....Because we are in the limelight of world power politics....We have a lot to brag about...Diplomats here are crazy about football we had a couple of matches in club...and when you tell them that Pakistan manufactures 85% of total world football requirements and is largest outsource of Adidas & Nike. Every body asked for the copy of presentation. or I tell them we have world largest Ther Coal Reserves 875 trillion cubic feet which in energy terms are twice the size of total oil reserves of Saudi Arab & Iran which are worlds largest and second largest (750 billion barrels) or World's largest Salt mines and or World largest Earthen Reservoir Terbela Dam or Uranium forms 12% of your total terrain. World will be mum. To add a little spice We have 3rd largest army in world after China & India which is One million...You can well imagine the atmosphere.......Nobody can judge Service groups during CSS preparations....YOu will know when when you have at least two years in service.....

faisalraza Wednesday, May 12, 2010 07:50 PM

Zain.ul.Abidin
 
Right now i am nothing but a aspirant of CSS and offcourse like all others wellwisher of my country.

we do respect your words on the quality of life in FSP .And we all who pay heavy indirect taxes with no beneficial return, expects allot from you people.

The World got mum when they hear how much naturally blessed we are.
But they would surely got stunned if they ever come across the other side of the picture.

For example: lets take the 3 most important aspects of a country.

Defense:

we have the third largest army and we haven't won any war with India.
we lost kargil , 1971, 1965 etc
even today if you ask any defense analyst or an Army General about the capacity of fighting with India(recognized as no1 enemy) there reply would by not more than 3 days. in this scenario our only hope would be Atomic bomb or UNO.

ECONOMY:

we are world largest football producer, the company Nike or any other doesn't belong to Pakistan.
what is the per capita income of a Pakistani? the minimum wages required for utilities and other essentials is =15000rs
* Govt of Pakistan has rose the minimum wages to 7000rs
* And where do we stand in the world ranking regarging economy.

energy:

* Have we produced a single MW of electricity from that reserves.



POLITICS:

You people are in the limelight of world politics can you plz tell me is Pakistan a Democratic state?
what is our ideology?
Is Pakistan a presidential or parliamentary form of state?


$ Being a Diplomat its your duty to portray a pleasant (All is well) picture, but you should well aware of miseries of people of Pakistan. i am sure you are well aware and trying your best.

i doesn't mean to discourage you.
i would like to thank you for posting such important details. as we people have no other source.

Regards
Faisal

aariz Wednesday, May 12, 2010 08:57 PM

@Zain. Glad to represent Pakistan positively. Keep it up.

I wana join FSP too, but there is one problem in FSP-Family disturbance.

Is there any solution of this issue ?

Regards

Zain.ul.Abidin Thursday, May 13, 2010 04:45 AM

@Faisal:
[B][U]DEFENSE:[/U][/B]
*Relying on Cold war alliances for defense was our necessity although they proved contrary…Hopefully you will not see an all out war in future due to the unconventional delicate balance of power that we have engineered in late 90s …
[B][U]ECONOMY: [/U][/B]
*Pakistan is 27th world largest economy out of almost 200. 42nd on trade liberalization index India is 68th…
*World manufacturing pattern has shifted after trade integration. You can't input raw material on one side of production line and get Porsche or BMW from other…there is a dispersal of manufacturing activity benefiting small medium enterprises across the world. So you don't need brands….
*Per Capita GDP is $2600 which is almost Rs19000/month average…A better tax to GDP ratio can guarantee uniform income distribution.
*Fixation of minimum wage rate causes inflation and unemployment because of rise in cost of production. Wage rate should be left on demand & supply and other market forces.
[B][U]ENERGY[/U][/B]
* Two power plants of 1200 MW each has been approved on 7th march 2010. Currently we are producing almost 1300 MW total….so these will triple the production.
[B][U]POLITICS[/U][/B]
* Pakistan is a parliamentary democracy under Article 50 of constitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan 1973. (read with 18th amendment)
>>>>>>>
A pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity…An optimist sees opportunity in every difficulty…(Winston Churchill)



@Ariz…

Thank you brother…..There are 6 million Pakistanis working abroad…from a software engineer to a laborer. They have their families who don’t get a chance in years to meet them…They have no diplomatic passports, free air tickets, medical facilities, furnished accommodations, and free schooling for their kids……….

zahi Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:29 AM

Life in FSP
 
[B] @ Zain[/B]

[B] Great ! very much convinced

Magr sunha he FSP means DIVIDED AND SCATTERED

PLZ COMMENT ON IT.:con[/B]

Regards

Zahid Iqbal

Shooting Star Thursday, May 13, 2010 07:10 PM

@ zain
 
thank you so much for the info


i have one question..

are you the only junior diplomat from Pakistan or there are other?
if you are only one,why seniors chose you?
i mean is there any criteria of choosing a candidate for such courses or they select randomly?

Thank you

scorpsshadow Friday, May 14, 2010 12:57 AM

Hello sir ji... Omer here from neitherland...kesse hain... nice to hear aap wahan turkey mae itna zayada enjoy kar rahe hain... although we are also enjoying but the hague seems to be a boring sorta city atleast for me.... khair jab aap foreign service kae barae mae keh he rahe hain to lemme also share my views


well then foriegn service of Pakistan is a noble and prestigious service because of its unique nature of work i.e, u represent ur country abroad.... wesse there are problems associated with FSP as well... To be realistic when so ever u are in isb you are in trouble... there is not well accomodation rather to be real there is no accomodation avaiable. All u have to do it to manage in a single room with a room mate during training and afterward as well since officers also reside there with nominal 12000 around which u get. If ur home is in pindi or isb , u will be better off else its tough..and if u have family to support it gets worst in real scenario, as we have examples in the past also.... But if u are a bit well off and can manage to live alone or in company of ur collegues it can be good. Hostel is located on margalla road. I don't know much about hostel as i live in my home in rawalpindi...

When you are abroad again u have facilities but at the same time constraints as well. you do get less salary as compared to expenditures over there. As here also we met senior diplomats saying the same story... Its all about how you get the things and manage yourself. Those who have to support their parents or from far off areas have to think much before coming....

[QUOTE=aariz;185633]@Zain. Glad to represent Pakistan positively. Keep it up.

I wana join FSP too, but there is one problem in FSP-Family disturbance.

Is there any solution of this issue ?

Regards[/QUOTE]

No solution dear... it is a fact and will remain as it is....

[QUOTE=zahi;185693][B] @ Zain[/B]

[B] Great ! very much convinced

Magr sunha he FSP means DIVIDED AND SCATTERED

PLZ COMMENT ON IT.:con[/B]

Regards

Zahid Iqbal[/QUOTE]

hmm it depends on the nature of ur work... u have to be scattered as u have complete world... DMG and police are united since they have only Pakistan.. Difference is very clear...



[QUOTE=css2011;185768]thank you so much for the info


i have one question..

are you the only junior diplomat from Pakistan or there are other?
if you are only one,why seniors chose you?
i mean is there any criteria of choosing a candidate for such courses or they select randomly?

Thank you[/QUOTE]

16 went to Neitherlands in the clingendael institute of diplomatic relations for 6 week of which i am also one

and zain went to turkey...

These are as per the MOU signed by these governments.... criteria is seniority

Sweet Dreamer Friday, May 14, 2010 09:53 AM

is FSP suitable for girls??

scorpsshadow Friday, May 14, 2010 01:32 PM

[QUOTE=Sweet Dreamer;185838]is FSP suitable for girls??[/QUOTE]

Depends...You got to have priorities very clear in life. Problems are mainly the same... The day you land in CSA, you are in a different enviroment.... Rest will depend on how you manage without your family. It gets a bit more tough when you are in the foreign service hostel islamabad, because it is a lonely place and without family girls feel it difficult to live on. But if u are strong enough , you can always do it as girls from DMG and Police also live alone. As far as career is concerned nothing much difference from boys. Girls do tend to get good postings abroad, but as i said before you have to be clear as to what you want. We have example of girls not going on foreign courses afterward before of personal reasons and family restrictions. So if that be the case then coming over to the service from very start is wrong.

But overall its a good service career wise and opportunity wise provided u adjust to situation and to realise the fact that after marriage your husband has to be with you rather then you be with the husband... :)

Shooting Star Friday, May 14, 2010 03:18 PM

[QUOTE=scorpsshadow;185871] Girls do tend to get good postings abroad, but as i said before you have to be clear as to what you want. We have example of girls not going on foreign courses afterward before of personal reasons and family restrictions. So if that be the case then coming over to the service from very start is wrong.[/QUOTE]

true,that's the main reason why girls don't want to come in this field.There are some social restriction which we have to face....and Husbands don't easily agree to live with their wives on her terms but other way around....

i have a question

Are you allowed to take your family with you on different trips?
if yes
then can parents and siblings of an officer go with her/him?
who pay their expanses?

Zain.ul.Abidin Saturday, May 15, 2010 12:07 AM

@Capt: Omar (Scorps Shadow)
 
Omar Brother....You know it is only the Foreign Service of Pakistan who have 1...Two Hostels (Furnished).
2....One Five Storey Hostel Under construction
3...Foreign Service Lodges and
4...Almost half of F-6 Sector
for Officer's Accommodations on Constitutional Avenue....Where as Grade-22 officers are seen to be fighting over a single room in Federal Lodges.....

scorpsshadow Saturday, May 15, 2010 01:54 PM

[QUOTE=css2011;185879]true,that's the main reason why girls don't want to come in this field.There are some social restriction which we have to face....and Husbands don't easily agree to live with their wives on her terms but other way around....

i have a question

Are you allowed to take your family with you on different trips?
if yes
then can parents and siblings of an officer go with her/him?
who pay their expanses?[/QUOTE]

You are allowed to take your family with you on all postings abroad ( family includes wife and kids only) ... As far as initial language course is concerned you can take your family only on that languages which are more than one year likeses chinese, russian... On other small trips and courses you cannot take your family along, i mean you always can by taking permission from ministry and seeing if accomodation is avaiable plus you have to pay for their tickets, medical etc which simply becomes unbearable...

Parents are not included in the family and you can take them on your own expenses which as i said before becomes almost unbearable....

[QUOTE=Zain.ul.Abidin;185933]Omar Brother....You know it is only the Foreign Service of Pakistan who have 1...Two Hostels (Furnished).
2....One Five Storey Hostel Under construction
3...Foreign Service Lodges and
4...Almost half of F-6 Sector
for Officer's Accommodations on Constitutional Avenue....Where as Grade-22 officers are seen to be fighting over a single room in Federal Lodges.....[/QUOTE]

Sir ji thats true but on ground kya halat hain yae bhe aap nae dekh he lye hain , even senior officers are living in hostels...the foreign service lodges i suppose are same i.e. the other hostel... and new one pata nai uss ka kya banta hai...problem is the number of officers as compared to housing. i mean like 300 work here and accomodation is too less with regard to that ,specially young officer till 19-20 grade can forget about getting a home in f-6 area... but nevertheless this is what it is, we know it and we came in it for the service. What all comes ahead has to be faced and tackled... I love foreign service of Pakistan to the core of my heart and will keep doing so

dr.ali.zaidi Saturday, May 15, 2010 10:55 PM

Salamunalaikum everyone. I have few questions as well:

Q1. I have heard that new officers dont go on language courses anymore:thinking. Is it true? If it is then please tell me who gets to go where and how?

Q2. What is the rule about serving in country and going abroad? I mean how many years of living in Pakistan and how many abroad? Do you guys feel the same difficulties in getting assignments and posting abroad (I m talking about political influence etc. )

Q3. What is your starting salary and how much do u get abroad:closedeye?

Q4. Plus is there any rule that if u have done your language course in some African language then you would never be posted in Europe?

Q5. What facilities do u get abroad and back at home?

Regards

Dr. S.M.Ali

scorpsshadow Sunday, May 16, 2010 07:16 PM

[QUOTE]Q1. I have heard that new officers dont go on language courses anymore:thinking. Is it true? If it is then please tell me who gets to go where and how?[/QUOTE]

New officers do go on foreign language course, rather its sort of compulsory now..yes but new rule is that u can only go after passing your final passing out exam....but that also u do tend to pass , after u do it takes almost 10-12 months then to go to language course

[QUOTE]Q2. What is the rule about serving in country and going abroad? I mean how many years of living in Pakistan and how many abroad? Do you guys feel the same difficulties in getting assignments and posting abroad (I m talking about political influence etc. )[/QUOTE]
....No specific rule, depends on the posts available and availability of officers, normally 3 years out and then same in pakistan or it can be 6 years out and 3 here .. as i said no specific period or rule....


[QUOTE]Q3. What is your starting salary and how much do u get abroad:closedeye?[/QUOTE]
Starting salary is same as of other officers of grade 17 like something basic about 9000+ .. and abroad i am not quite sure but its almost 1200 dollars for 3rd secretary

[QUOTE]Q4. Plus is there any rule that if u have done your language course in some African language then you would never be posted in Europe?[/QUOTE]

...nothing like that....normally u get posted all over world but u can expect more postings in those regions where that language is spoken

[QUOTE]Q5. What facilities do u get abroad and back at home?[/QUOTE]
already mentioned....same as grade 17..... medical and house rent etc... abroad u do tend to get house, medical facilities, free education fr 2 children upto 18 years etc

pakipower111 Monday, May 17, 2010 06:34 PM

about family...
 
Hello sir,
As you have mentioned that family includes wife and kids (no parents)... so, what if a person is bachelor and has only a single parent alive. Can there be some exceptions made for him?

scorpsshadow Friday, May 21, 2010 11:21 PM

[QUOTE=pakipower111;186311]Hello sir,
As you have mentioned that family includes wife and kids (no parents)... so, what if a person is bachelor and has only a single parent alive. Can there be some exceptions made for him?[/QUOTE]

No my dear unfortunately "NO"... if u are not married , it simply means you are single :) you can't take ur father or mother as ur family abroad...

ayezzaS Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:39 PM

@SCORPSSHADOW...bro,a question keeps on haunting me:ain't it correct to say that despite being a group which calls for a tough heart)(as one has to live alone)FSP is more woman-friendly as the public dealing is relatively minimum...?as compared to DMG which demands a dead-strong gal it is a sophisticated and better paying job?i believe that the harasment ov women ought to be non-existent here as the beings concerned are well-bred?what is thine opinion...please do comment!and secondly,are the diplomats given a choice to mention which mission they wish to join after FPOE?and how about mediha mohyuddin?has she left the service or is still shining smewhere as a bright star?and lastly,what is meant by catgory A -B and C ov our missions abroad???
please do ans soon!
thanks in advance.....
regards

scorpsshadow Friday, June 04, 2010 02:06 AM

[QUOTE=ayezzaS;189700]@SCORPSSHADOW...bro,a question keeps on haunting me:ain't it correct to say that despite being a group which calls for a tough heart)(as one has to live alone)FSP is more woman-friendly as the public dealing is relatively minimum...?as compared to DMG which demands a dead-strong gal it is a sophisticated and better paying job?i believe that the harasment ov women ought to be non-existent here as the beings concerned are well-bred?what is thine opinion...please do comment!and secondly,are the diplomats given a choice to mention which mission they wish to join after FPOE?and how about mediha mohyuddin?has she left the service or is still shining smewhere as a bright star?and lastly,what is meant by catgory A -B and C ov our missions abroad???
please do ans soon!
thanks in advance.....
regards[/QUOTE]

well ayezzas there are different aspects to every service in the government sector. I mean i agree that DMG requires a strong gal but how can you say that FSP doesn't require a strong gal either...Well telling you honestly it is not at all that being an officer in MOFA your dealing with public is less. Yes there is a difference. In DMG you meet common people with their problems. Here also you also meet common people with their problems but on a less extend. Mainly you meet with diplomats of other countries, foreign delegations, your ex Pakistani community abroad and that is where your role gets even tougher. Each and every word spoken from your mouth will count as the words of Pakistan and printed in media as such. Consider such a scenario where you have to deal media and so many people asking you confusing questions regarding policies of your country. And when u are posted abroad , i need not to say how important you role becomes. You are the Pakistan outside Pakistan for the people of that country and every time you have to deal with a lot of people. All the entertainment allowance given to you there is for the same reason.. so this is as far as you consider that you don't have public dealings...
Normally task of postings and language are dealt with a seprate department and they consider merit mostly other then your own preferences. yes for language they do ask the probationery officers but u can see all will adopt for french or spanish :) so mostly its merit. Same holds good for posting, they post you according to your merit and rotations in world. Yes to some extend your own will can also matter since its not a large service and compromise can be reach but it depends on the situtation and vacancies.
Thirdly, honestly i don't really know the A, B , C and X,Y,Z missions. but i have heard it is with respect to importance of a country with regard to Pakistan. for e.g USA will be a category A country for Pakistan, Saudi Arabia may be B, and Zimbabwe as C. Depends. Also X, Y ,Z catergories are as per the facilities available in that country, like USA will be category A and zimbabwe as Z...
regards

Annora Friday, June 11, 2010 02:37 AM

salam ppl
after readig many posts on FSP, i realized that i am getting more and more interested in fsp
but a simple asnwer to a question will let me go more futher

it takes approximately how much time to get postted on international mission
is it standerdrized or depends upon luck or parchee
and do every officer get posted on international mission?

scorpsshadow Sunday, June 13, 2010 12:14 PM

[QUOTE=Annora;191588]salam ppl
after readig many posts on FSP, i realized that i am getting more and more interested in fsp
but a simple asnwer to a question will let me go more futher

it takes approximately how much time to get postted on international mission
is it standerdrized or depends upon luck or parchee
and do every officer get posted on international mission?[/QUOTE]

Normally it takes 2-3 initial years to get posted abroad provided u clear ur fpoe exams in first attempt....

it is neither standardized nor parchee , yes to some extend on luck and availability of posts abroad...

yes almost every officer has to serve abroad as well as in home both

ayezzaS Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:27 PM

@scorpsshadow..thanks a ton dear for your valuable posts and timely responce..just a last query..how do people get residence in the lodgings?i believe lodgings are a bit different than hostel itself?..lastly what is the work that ne does at foreign office in the initial times ov his/her job?how did you find this institute:clingendael institute ov diplomatic studies..is it throbbing to be here?you said people from far off areas ought to think much before coming..but what if FSP is a good old desire...?why is the residential allowance that is abt 9000 not given to those in FSP?

scorpsshadow Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:41 PM

[QUOTE=ayezzaS;197579]@scorpsshadow..thanks a ton dear for your valuable posts and timely responce..just a last query..how do people get residence in the lodgings?i believe lodgings are a bit different than hostel itself?..lastly what is the work that ne does at foreign office in the initial times ov his/her job?how did you find this institute:clingendael institute ov diplomatic studies..is it throbbing to be here?you said people from far off areas ought to think much before coming..but what if FSP is a good old desire...?why is the residential allowance that is abt 9000 not given to those in FSP?[/QUOTE]

well i will go questionwise...

Lodges are good... But since they are good, they are normally occupied also most of time... You apply and get your name on the waiting list. On you turn you get it. These are basically studio appartments of 1-2 rooms with kitchen and bathrooms etc.

Work at Ministry depends on your designation. You get Political desk so normal correspondence and many other tasks like Briefings, minutes, tps, concept papers , presentations etc.. and in yet other like protocol your work is different and similarly in adminitration its different...

Clingendael Insititue is one of the best institutes of the world in diplomatic and international relation studies...Eminent scholars come to give you lectures. Its worth mentioning to be there...

I never said people from far off areas think much before coming..its all your desire and passion which matters...

Accomodation Allowance or house rent is given to you as per 45% of your basic pay after you complete your probation period that is your ctp and stp and you join Ministry.. In case you get a house, you are not given that

Riazuddin5 Tuesday, January 25, 2011 03:21 AM

Can someone from FSP shed light on:

1. How many languages are in the FS program which the new officer can choose from? Are these included: French, German, Arabic, Spanish, Chinese, Turkish, Russian ?

2. Which countries can a Pakistani diplomat travel to without visa (with the diplomatic passport)

scorpsshadow Friday, February 18, 2011 11:20 AM

[QUOTE=Riazuddin5;257778]Can someone from FSP shed light on:

1. How many languages are in the FS program which the new officer can choose from? Are these included: French, German, Arabic, Spanish, Chinese, Turkish, Russian ?

2. Which countries can a Pakistani diplomat travel to without visa (with the diplomatic passport)[/QUOTE]

Q1: Languages differ every time, depending on how many languages officers are already doing... normally chinese, arabic, spanish, russian, japanese, portugese etc are there.

Q2: there is a list of around 40+ countries and indonesia recently included. U can search that on google, you will find it

Jetpack2 Monday, April 04, 2011 05:08 PM

lavish life in fsp?
 
Is it true that FS officers get protocol and enjoy a lavish life? i believe salary in given , according to the currency in area of posting , what if its an african country , , in which case the money would be worthless when converted to pak rupees , and if area of posting is an expensive city , you wont be able to save enough when you come back home? is it true

haniii Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:00 AM

@ scorpsshadow n zainulabideen
 
how did you personally adjust in fsp? are you in pakistan these days or did you just join the service? and would you suggest it for girls? besides how long normally one stays in islamabad after STP? and is there any discrimination towards female diplomats esp during initial yrs?

shahbaz Altaf Friday, May 27, 2011 05:09 PM

Sir,
How much marks are required to join Foreign service group if you belong to minority?

scorpsshadow Sunday, July 10, 2011 06:37 PM

[QUOTE=haniii;309045]how did you personally adjust in fsp? are you in pakistan these days or did you just join the service? and would you suggest it for girls? besides how long normally one stays in islamabad after STP? and is there any discrimination towards female diplomats esp during initial yrs?[/QUOTE]

you can adjust easily if you have aptitude to work...no problems.... yes i am in pakistan leaving for spanish language at the end of this month....it is equally good for boys and girls....you stay for almost 1 year approx after stp here....no discrimination for any one....

Jetpack2 Saturday, August 20, 2011 08:15 PM

scorpsshadow sir, i would be delighted if u could ans my question too.. thank u.



Is it true that FS officers get protocol and enjoy a lavish life? i believe salary in given , according to the currency in area of posting , what if its an african country , , in which case the money would be worthless when converted to pak rupees , and if area of posting is an expensive city , you wont be able to save enough when you come back home? is it true

M MAZHAR JADOON Saturday, August 27, 2011 02:13 AM

Dear sir

i want to ask you that why our foreign service is not yet free and independent. Why she take dictations from foreign powers. Pakistan is misrepresented in the world and we can not do any thing. I think its the responsibly of young diplomats like you to represent the country with the eyes of Pakistani and do not take it as US observes.

May FSoP be as powerful as US Army nay Pakistan Railway.

Regards

M Mazhar Jadoon
Islamabad

amubin Monday, August 29, 2011 04:16 PM

[B]I have also few Qs regarding FSP ?[/B][B]in order to know clearly what fsp is all about[/B]

1.After getting an Fsp group what the time period one stays in Karachi .. ?
2.How the officer is permoted.Such as in Police force.1st ASP,SP,SSP ETC
3.After becoming a CSP its is clear that perks and previleges are given almost equal.Whats different in fsp?
4.After how many years a officer get chance to get his country?
5.While being in Pakistan is an officer get the same perks ad privileges?I mean security etc

Kamran Chaudhary Monday, August 29, 2011 05:23 PM

@scorpshadow
 
The intial basic pay of BS-17 is now 16000 (as per revised pay scales of Jul 2011)..Before this it was 9850.Rest of allowances are almost same except the conveynce allowence is now 2480 for grade 17.
Anyhow am very delightful to see very good discussion by such reverand CSP's like you,zain,dr.ali,and by other respected members also.This thing is realy inciting for all aspirants including me..Thanks indeed for these useful inputs...keep it up please.

M MAZHAR JADOON Monday, August 29, 2011 06:12 PM

[QUOTE=faisalraza;185630]
Defense:

we have the third largest army and we haven't won any war with India.
we lost kargil , 1971, 1965 etc
even today if you ask any defense analyst or an Army General about the capacity of fighting with India(recognized as no1 enemy) there reply would by not more than 3 days. in this scenario our only hope would be Atomic bomb or UNO.

Respected member!

here i want to tell you that your estimation in connection of Pakistan Defense is not realistic.Pakistan has the third largest army of the world. it is well trained and one the the best army of the world. Pak Army is our own army the y are our brothers, we should motivate them and pursue them to discipline and courage, Because armies are always the assets of any nation. Once these demoralized nothing remains behind.

Only Europeon methods of warfare are not the accurate and according to the demand, rather at some times these are traps. By following western way of life our defense forces also are likely to be the victims of civilization inferiority complex. They tend to indulge into protocol formalities, non Islamic appearances, not matched life styles etc. Aforesaid elements are the opium for Pak Armed Forces. At the same time corruption is another big threat for it.

We could rightly be proud if a charismatic and professional soldier undertook the command of Army and make it a true Pakistani Force. Such force which is not commanded by America or any other but is motivated by its own country men. The equitation of Atomic Technology is another distinguished contribution of Pak Army.

With regards to your hope from UNO if it is declared war against India, i could only say that we must not keep big hopes from this institution been proved an oppressor yet for Muslims of the world .:thinking

scorpsshadow Friday, September 02, 2011 08:11 PM

[QUOTE=Jetpack2;286178]Is it true that FS officers get protocol and enjoy a lavish life? i believe salary in given , according to the currency in area of posting , what if its an african country , , in which case the money would be worthless when converted to pak rupees , and if area of posting is an expensive city , you wont be able to save enough when you come back home? is it true[/QUOTE]

In foreign countries pay is always given in dollars irrespective of your country.... and also it is different in different countries as per the CPI index

scorpsshadow Friday, September 02, 2011 08:13 PM

[QUOTE=haniii;309045]how did you personally adjust in fsp? are you in pakistan these days or did you just join the service? and would you suggest it for girls? besides how long normally one stays in islamabad after STP? and is there any discrimination towards female diplomats esp during initial yrs?[/QUOTE]

I adjusted pretty well in it despite weak international affairs background. You get ample training...

Yes it is always suggested for girls..just need to be sure of getting a good and understanding husband preferably from computer field :)

after stp one year before you leave for language training if you pass fpoe...if not you stay till you pass fpoe....

no discrimination for female diplomats...its same for all

[QUOTE=Jetpack2;342295]scorpsshadow sir, i would be delighted if u could ans my question too.. thank u.



Is it true that FS officers get protocol and enjoy a lavish life? i believe salary in given , according to the currency in area of posting , what if its an african country , , in which case the money would be worthless when converted to pak rupees , and if area of posting is an expensive city , you wont be able to save enough when you come back home? is it true[/QUOTE]

bro i replied this already...you do get protocol and good life in foreign countries but at the same time you have to work hard as well... salary is always in dollars everywhere...

manya Saturday, September 10, 2011 11:21 AM

hii..thanx for sharing the useful info....can u plz tell me what u mean by having a computer field husband????

scorpsshadow Thursday, October 13, 2011 01:50 PM

[QUOTE=manya;350602]hii..thanx for sharing the useful info....can u plz tell me what u mean by having a computer field husband????[/QUOTE]

A person working in the field of IT or software :)

phoolhooon Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:42 PM

Dear Zain
One of our senior member "Red.Hawk" posted that in FSP you will not get a official car and official house in Pakistan until you are in 20th Grade. Is it true or not.
Link is Here
[url]http://www.cssforum.com.pk/css-cadres-training-programmes/specialized-training-program-stp/foreign-service-pakistan/57906-powers-fsp-officer-2.html[/url]

tyre Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:34 PM

Respected members can you plz tell me that the one year that we will have to spend abroad, which relatives can accompany us and when?

talalz3 Wednesday, May 02, 2012 06:24 PM

[QUOTE=phoolhooon;426335]Dear Zain
One of our senior member "Red.Hawk" posted that in FSP you will not get a official car and official house in Pakistan until you are in 20th Grade. Is it true or not.
Link is Here
[url]http://www.cssforum.com.pk/css-cadres-training-programmes/specialized-training-program-stp/foreign-service-pakistan/57906-powers-fsp-officer-2.html[/url][/QUOTE]


Thats because FSP officers are posted in Islamabad when they are not on a mission abroad. And in Islamabad finding a residence is very hard for all groups. Moreover, there are no specific colonies for FSP officers at the moment so you should expect to wait until at least grade 19 to actually get official accomodation. The same is true for a car. I have not seen a grade 17 FSP officer with a car.

[QUOTE=tyre;426561]Respected members can you plz tell me that the one year that we will have to spend abroad, which relatives can accompany us and when?[/QUOTE]

Only wife and kids can accompany an FSP officer on state expenditure. Parents are not allowed.


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