[QUOTE=JaandAAr Khan;330985]Lets take a look at who has caused Pakistan more harm? Educated people or uneducated ones?
1) Field Marshal Ayub Khan----->Educated
2) His Excellency Yahya Khan------>Educated
3) His Holiness Zia-ul-Haq---------->Educated
4) G.I.K------------------------------->Educated Bureaucrat
5) The Enlightened Moderate Musharraf Sb------>Educated
6) Civil Bureaucracy--------------------------->Educated
And apart from that, all the main political leaders of the country are also educated people! So dear,dont put the blame on uneducated people as they are already pre-occupied with their own problems and start looking what went wrong in the Medulla Oblongata of educated people of this country![/QUOTE]

Waise seriously..aap ne 3,4 fojiyon k nam likhe is list me..U seriously think fojeez are educated:pp??

[QUOTE=khuhro;331085]Hence it is proved that All educated persons are harm to country, so lets close schools :laughing.... and let the peoples be uneducated :king[/QUOTE]

You are getting it wrong brother!;) Closing schools wont do it! Nor is it my point! My point is that being educated does not necessarily mean that one becomes a mistake-free being as a result of the thing called "education". Uneducated people or elected representatives are not inferior to educated bureaucrats! That is what i wanna say!

[QUOTE=hamza_salick86;331088]Waise seriously..aap ne 3,4 fojiyon k nam likhe is list me..U seriously think fojeez are educated:pp??[/QUOTE]

Yes bro,they are! They have a bachelors degree n what about the fojeez in bureaucracy! U consider them uneducated:huh:

[QUOTE=hamza_salick86;331087]Yeah right:laugh:
I seriously doubt what does my brother here wants to prove...[/QUOTE]

Bro I dont want to prove anything nor is this an appropriate forum to prove anything! I just want to say that Bureaucrats(especially the DMGians) are power hungry and their joy at the restoration of commissionerate system in Sindh clearly shows it! But,they forget that alongwith power comes a great responsibility! But they r willing to only take the power and keep the responsibility part aside!

[QUOTE=JaandAAr Khan;331159]Bro I dont want to prove anything nor is this an appropriate forum to prove anything! I just want to say that Bureaucrats(especially the DMGians) are power hungry and their joy at the restoration of commissionerate system in Sindh clearly shows it! But,they forget that alongwith power comes a great responsibility! But they r willing to only take the power and keep the responsibility part aside![/QUOTE]

And they very well know how to perform their duties and responsibilities efficiently..They have done it for over a century now..much better than these nazims...
B.A degree?Most of the fojeez join army after Intermediate(Long course)..And about the second question,well I dont agree with this policy of getting army wallahz into civil services..

[QUOTE=hamza_salick86;331166]And they very well know how to perform their duties and responsibilities efficiently..They have done it for over a century now..much better than these nazims...
B.A degree?Most of the fojeez join army after Intermediate(Long course)..And about the second question,well I dont agree with this policy of getting army wallahz into civil services..[/QUOTE]

They do get a BA degree in the PMA long course,..... but then again just a degree is no classification for being educated. Army is a tank targeting the institutions of a State..... the civil bureaucracy must remain with the civilians and the army bureaucrat (for running only army matters, not a step outside the Cantts or away form the borders) must be the army officers only.... i think a 10 percent quota must exist for the CSPs in the army, then again if you ask my personal views CSPs will never join the army ...... atleast i know i wont :)
Regards

[QUOTE=JaandAAr Khan;331154]You are getting it wrong brother!;) Closing schools wont do it! Nor is it my point! My point is that being educated does not necessarily mean that one becomes a mistake-free being as a result of the thing called "education". Uneducated people or elected representatives are not inferior to educated bureaucrats! That is what i wanna say![/QUOTE]

yeah but... education makes man perfect, if you want a growth of country we should select right person for right place but education is fundamental aspect for everything. Many of the parties are talking about mayor system (so called nazim system they resemble) of Egland and they compare with their nazims with those mayors. its wrong their political institutions are strong and having educated mechanism. we are laking in education we must need educated peoples on even this type of post. that our society should have some mechanism someone should be their to the imporatance of eduacation and rights of peoples. on matric level you cant appoint a clerk then how can it is possible that we give them top post at district level. these political statements are just given to take their part from goverment they are not sincere peoples so understand the ground realities. nothing is better then a CSP officer if you want a stable society and Pakistan as whole.

i just saw the title
" DMG back in power"
AND I couldnt stop myself to write a few lines...

is DMG a political party which is back in power?
what is the definition of power ?
have we joined civil services to gain power and to gain control on other occupational groups .. or we want to overpower public ?

is there anyone who is interested in service delivery in watever system and capacity he has .....
please think outside the complexes we have !!

[QUOTE=kashifaslam;331919]i just saw the title
" DMG back in power"
AND I couldnt stop myself to write a few lines...

is DMG a political party which is back in power?
what is the definition of power ?
have we joined civil services to gain power and to gain control on other occupational groups .. or we want to overpower public ?

is there anyone who is interested in service delivery in watever system and capacity he has .....
please think outside the complexes we have !![/QUOTE]


Power is sometimes defined as "capability of making others go against their will." And in the context of this definition I find power and service in no way relevant. A service officer should not bear an autocratic monarch (leviathan) mindset and make a clear distinction between sovereignty (absolute power) and authority (delegated power).

The authority of a civil servant is a power bestowed upon him/her by the society and he must exercise his authority within such limits as not to disregard the sovereignty which belongs to, for practical purposes, the people, and theoretically, to Allah Almighty.

Hence the title of the thread should be "DMG back in authority"

[QUOTE=kashifaslam;331919]i just saw the title
" DMG back in power"
AND I couldnt stop myself to write a few lines...

is DMG a political party which is back in power?
what is the definition of power ?
have we joined civil services to gain power and to gain control on other occupational groups .. or we want to overpower public ?

is there anyone who is interested in service delivery in watever system and capacity he has .....
please think outside the complexes we have !![/QUOTE]

In my view craving for power and prestige is in human nature.That is why civil lservice no longer attracts the brightest minds as its autonomy has been destroyed over the years,starting from bhutto.I think hardly anyone thinks about niceties like service delivery,in the context of Pakistan.Moreover maintenenance of order and revenue collection is still the most imp fuction of this state,prescriptions like Development oriented civil service are largely irrelevant in our case.For this reason magistracy is the best solution,notwithstanding our favourite propensity to call it Colonial relic.