Appeal to the FPSC and the Govt.
 

[SIZE="3"]Would any body take an initiative of making an official appeal to the Govt of Pakistan and FPSC for accommodating the non-allocated successful candidates of CSS at various other posts?
OR at least there should be a rule that those who are not allocated, they should be given a chance to re-appear in the CSS exam (means one extra chance for them to compete). there are many of our friends who had their last attempt in CE-2011 but, unfortunately, they are not going to get allocations. :hurt
Respected senior and junior members please discuss some recommendations to the Govt of Pakistan and FPSC for addressing this serious issue. [/SIZE]

[SIZE="3"]Thanks[/SIZE]


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Then why is it called a competitive examination? :)

i second you QAU bhai, in all other provincial and federal commission examinations mostly one have to pass a paper of 100 mcq's to get to the interview which is no criteria to judge a candidate.

last week my interview was held in commission, the topper of the test was a guy who could hardly speak English. he had highest marks in written. it took almost 30 minutes to guide him how to introduce himself in English, finally i wrote introduction for him on a white paper and he start memorizing it. then he explain how lucky he was , with using different means he manage to get the highest marks. what i believe that their is no way that panel will recommend him but he had actually ruined other candidates whom would be more deserving as they were not called for interview just because they score less than him.

so i strongly recommend that CSS passed candidates should be considered for all jobs advertized by federal & provincial commission in case they have relevant education for the job.

[B]like they (CSS passed candidates) should be exempted from written mcq's type of tests or initial tests of jobs and directly called for interviews. this is what it should be![/B]

u have a point but at the same time you have no right to judge some one. May be the guy who was not able to describe himself properly in English had an IQ more than all of us . I hope you will not feel it offensive but there are many mistakes ( grammatical ) in the above passage written by you .
So in short plz dont ridicule others , and your recommendation has weight .

Thanks Mr [B]land-line[/B] for pointing out my mistakes.
firstly i am not taking here a grammar class , so i don't need to take care of it. secondly i made my point which is very much obvious.
thirdly their was such thing as IQ in written test.

Yes chance must be given to them because they are also qualifiers.

@qau
 

Sir you are right that we all are qualifiers but its just to heal our wounds as there can be no system here.We know that we all worked hard to qualify but after some days of useless discussion and heart appealing encouragement,no one will even remember us.We got nothing.Anyways,I heartily agree with your opinion but as Last Island said its a competitive exam so I think there will be no benefit of such an appeal.No one will consider it.It seems a hopeless business.But if you think that there can be any solution of it,it would be really great.
@imbindas I agree with you that there are many candidates who even don't know how to speak simple introductory English but they qualified.I personally know some of them in CSS and PPSC test.They are now serving in good groups.At the same time I know such genius candidates who got failed in aggregate.Its all in vain.These system can't be corrected.


@QAU you know what many people on forum will think it a childish act but I can understand the feelings of those for whom this was their last chanceof appearing in CSS.Best of luck:sad:

[QUOTE=Last Island;438059]Then why is it called a competitive examination? :)[/QUOTE]


[SIZE=3]I understand this. but it really hurts when we listen of any industrious and competitive candidate who lags far behind those who claim to have studied just 2 to 3 months. moreover it is really frightening that they cant even be allocated. OK i admit that this is a competitive exam but the competition bears fruits only when it is transparent. in this case we can argue various flaws in the assessment system of FPSC. Last Island believe me there is something wrong and some people are definitely dealt with injustice. i do not believe that there is something like deliberate injustice or discrimination against a specific person but it all happens accidentally or unintentionally. we do not doubt the credibility of FPSC but when the things start going wrong i guess that it warrants a careful review of the system and a proper diagnosis.Last Island believe me there are many candidates crying....:cry just try to feel that pain....[/SIZE]

[QUOTE=amnayounas15;438242]Sir you are right that we all are qualifiers but its just to heal our wounds as there can be no system here.We know that we all worked hard to qualify but after some days of useless discussion and heart appealing encouragement,no one will even remember us.We got nothing.Anyways,I heartily agree with your opinion but as Last Island said its a competitive exam so I think there will be no benefit of such an appeal.No one will consider it.It seems a hopeless business.But if you think that there can be any solution of it,it would be really great.
@imbindas I agree with you that there are many candidates who even don't know how to speak simple introductory English but they qualified.I personally know some of them in CSS and PPSC test.They are now serving in good groups.At the same time I know such genius candidates who got failed in aggregate.Its all in vain.These system can't be corrected.


@QAU you know what many people on forum will think it a childish act but I can understand the feelings of those for whom this was their last chanceof appearing in CSS.Best of luck:sad:[/QUOTE]


[SIZE=3]Dear just see Safdar Jang bro what has happened to him. no one here remembers him here at the forum.....he was thrice a successful candidate but what he got....its traumatic :( I really salute his iron will, ceaseless efforts, determined passion and, above all, his patience. various such cases really make me raise a voice for justice.[/SIZE]

@QAu
 

Its useless to expect anything from this system.Mind is not ready to accept this bitter reality but we will have too.Anyways do you think that appealing to FPSC and Govt can be hopeful?Not at all.So its better to forget CSS.Its a link and luck based system.

@Qau
 

yes Safdar jangs courage and patience is remarkable. He doesn't seem to be here posting any more but that's what we call luck. The entity that varies from person to person.

[QUOTE=fromQAU;438054]Would any body take an initiative of making an official appeal to the Govt of Pakistan and FPSC for accommodating the non-allocated successful candidates of CSS at various other posts?[/QUOTE]
We are doing to writ for the same in Supreme Court. Kindly check thread of Age Relaxation or contact me on my mail.

How many candidates are being selected?? any idea? we should also appeal to increase number of seats as a number of seats in the governement are lying vacant and retired people are occupying those posts. ZAB government increased number of seats in 1970's to promote harmony among provinces, we must ask the govt to do so as well!!!

furthermore, the difference among the candiadtes expect fr 25 is not more than of one mark each, so they deserve a chance and an allocation as well. otherwise FPSC needs to make the exam more challenging

[QUOTE=Last Island;438059]Then why is it called a competitive examination? :)[/QUOTE]

When it is competitive examination why there is quota system operating? We say we want to bring brilliant people to top positions then shouldnt we appoint only according to merit positions irrespective of quota? :)

[QUOTE=Syeda Bukhari;439848]When it is competitive examination why there is quota system operating? We say we want to bring brilliant people to top positions then shouldnt we appoint only according to merit positions irrespective of quota? :)[/QUOTE]

This is the competitive exams only for people of Punjab and KPK.For others,they just need to pass the written portion,and their allocation is confirmed.
Best of luck for next attempt.

it's a competitive examination within each province. please try to understand that apart from competition we have a federation and to give each province a fair share in federal government the quota operates.
it's like ten people know how to play cricket and ten people know how to play football. you cannot judge both of them on the same scale. people from balochistan or interior sindh lack facilities that cities like lahore provide. so it's natural that some sort of safeguard should be provided to these people

[QUOTE=Kamran;439853]This is the competitive exams only for people of Punjab and KPK.For others,they just need to pass the written portion,and their allocation is confirmed.
Best of luck for next attempt.[/QUOTE]

i second you. but please include also GBFATA in the list.
as i never heard of carry over seats from Punjab, KPK and GBFATA.

there are many carry over seats from sindh and balochistan every year. i know a guy on this forum from sindh has been allocated to PSP while another from punjab higher in merit # than him is not allocated to any group at all.

[QUOTE=Syeda Bukhari;439848]When it is competitive examination why there is quota system operating? We say we want to bring brilliant people to top positions then shouldnt we appoint only according to merit positions irrespective of quota? :)[/QUOTE]

If its about bringing brilliant people to top then their brilliance should be measured on the time of their birth, otherwise they will be brought up in diverse environments having totally different and unequal amount of facilities. A person who studied from Lahore or Islamabad should never be taken on par with a person who earned his education from FATA or from some farthest village of Balochistan or AJK. If equal facilities are provided to every citizen of Pakistan then i think women quota should also be abolished, but unfortunately it's not one of the cases in Pakistan, as a society we are still divided on the bases of territorial and ethno-linguistic borders. Despite claiming women empowerment slogans we are yet to provision a culture which will not ask for women quota to give them equal opportunities when compared with men.

So quota system will remain until and unless we have a uniform cultural, political, social, economic and administrative unit.

[QUOTE=Farhad Aslam;439933]If its about bringing brilliant people to top then their brilliance should be measured on the time of their birth, otherwise they will be brought up in diverse environments having totally different and unequal amount of facilities. A person who studied from Lahore or Islamabad should never be taken on par with a person who earned his education from FATA or from some farthest village of Balochistan or AJK. If equal facilities are provided to every citizen of Pakistan then i think women quota should also be abolished, but unfortunately it's not one of the cases in Pakistan, as a society we are still divided on the bases of territorial and ethno-linguistic borders. Despite claiming women empowerment slogans we are yet to provision a culture which will not ask for women quota to give them equal opportunities when compared with men.

So quota system will remain until and unless we have a uniform cultural, political, social, economic and administrative unit.[/QUOTE]

yes you are right. I just stated that without being serious. I never meant to hurt anyone. I also believe this that the people in other provinces donot have those facilities and have to struggle harder. I am sorry if my statement has hurt anyone

But for quota system too we have to be sincere. There are many people who are living in big cities but utilizing domiciles of remote areas because they once belonged to those cities. So whatever the job is we have to be sincere. And if you just talk about competition then i am not protecting women quota here. I said about whole quota system including women quota. What we have to do is just to be sincere to our beloved homeland and perform our duty with honesty with or without quota :-)

[QUOTE=imbindas;439895]as i never heard of carry over seats from Punjab, KPK and GBFATA.[/QUOTE]

Every year available seats to be filled through CSS are announced and allocated to provinces as per fixed quota, in case qualified candidates are less in number than available seats, obviously the seats will remain unfilled as its due share of particular region, how can these be filled by allocating the candidates from other regions/provinces? Hence unfilled vacancies are carried forward to the next year. As the population of Punjab is more hence more candidates apply and and get good merit number hence they fill not only merit seats but also their due share and eventually are no seats are left vacant, same is the case with KPK.

[QUOTE=Syeda Bukhari;439964]But for quota system too we have to be sincere. There are many people who are living in big cities but utilizing domiciles of remote areas because they once belonged to those cities. So whatever the job is we have to be sincere. And if you just talk about competition then i am not protecting women quota here. I said about whole quota system including women quota. What we have to do is just to be sincere to our beloved homeland and perform our duty with honesty with or without quota :-)[/QUOTE]

Romesa I don't think that any one felt hurt by your comment. I strongly agree with your point that people are sometime taking advantage of their domicile, Yes, this is the biggest flaw in system that we do not check that where the candidate has been living? He gets allocation on the bases of his domicile. There should be (if it is not there) a condition that a candidate can only be considered against any provincial quota if he has got some 70% of his education from that province or what so ever is the status of that territory. I was asked about this thing in my psychological assessment, she (psychiatrist) asked, "you are applying on AJK quota but have mentioned your address as Islamabad". I answered," yes, but I have my complete 16 years of education from AJK." And then during my interview first thing that Rana BhagwanDas sb said was: So you are a Kashmiri and have got your complete education from Kashmir.

I have taken initiative by writing letters to prime minister and president for the accomodation of all finally qualified candidates.

Its a competition and every candidate know its rules, so there is no point to complain my dear fellows

age limit
 

my date of birth is 30/06/1984 am i eligible for c.s.s

[QUOTE=ayeshawan;440893]my date of birth is 30/06/1984 am i eligible for c.s.s[/QUOTE]
Sorry but not. But you have ample opportunities. Please apply for DDO Accounts in Punjab Public service Commission.

@seep

have you already written to the PM and President?

I think it should be advocated that thislarge number of candidates qualifying but not being allocated, should get appointments in other departments/organzations/ministeries of Federal Govt for which FPSC condcuts seperate tests.

The difference between the allocated and non allocated is very small in terms of marks, and it is most of the times a combination of a weak performance in just one or two papers or the factor of "low scoring trend" in one or two subjects that causes many candidates to loose it all together.

There is no denial that this subjectivity in the exam pattern as well as the scoring trend phenomenona does paly a big role, and at times its very frustatring that regardless of your hardwork these outside factors would deprive you of just a few marks and ultimatley a life time opportunity to be part of civil service of Pakistan.

I think some justice needs to be done to the non allocated. The authorities need to bring some solution to this issue.

Govt cant allocate 880 qualifiers.Think realistically.Your letters of appeal will go directly into dust-bins..Its harsh but its true.So start working hard for next attempt if you have any attempt left.

GULRUKH its not about the allocation of this years qualifiers, its about an equally large number almost every year. See there needs to be some thought over it. These people are all fine brains and they have crossed a certain bar. See either the criteria needs a change or there needs to be some sort of recognition. The whole process is so long that it takes years and then after putting in so much effort, so much time and alot of opportunity costs associated to it, you just loose it all and just with such a small difference.

A year's study and passing of about similar number of courses earned me an MBA. But alot more effort into CSS and even qualifiying it hasnt even earned me a certificate even, wo he day dain :) Its not at all just with alot of people out there.

And to add to misery when you see a person getting education from almost the same educational institites as you, and performing almost equally or even lilttle bad and getting allocated just coz of a different domicile it does add to the frustation :)

[QUOTE=Farhad Aslam;439991]Romesa I don't think that any one felt hurt by your comment. I strongly agree with your point that people are sometime taking advantage of their domicile, Yes, this is the biggest flaw in system that we do not check that where the candidate has been living? He gets allocation on the bases of his domicile. There should be (if it is not there) a condition that a candidate can only be considered against any provincial quota if he has got some 70% of his education from that province or what so ever is the status of that territory. I was asked about this thing in my psychological assessment, she (psychiatrist) asked, "you are applying on AJK quota but have mentioned your address as Islamabad". I answered," yes, but I have my complete 16 years of education from AJK." And then during my interview first thing that Rana BhagwanDas sb said was: So you are a Kashmiri and have got your complete education from Kashmir.[/QUOTE]

I second Farhad. Just for an example, AJK has 3.5 mn population which means 2% of population. The refugees from Indian Occupied Kashmir living in Pakistan are 1.5 mn which is a little less than 1% of Pakistan's population. They apply for CSS on the basis of AJK state subject domicile, without even staying one night in AJK.

The AJK Quota in CSS is 2% however the population which gives exam against this quota is 5 mn (3.5 AJK + 1.5 Refugees residing in Pakistan) which makes it a little less than 3% of Pakistan's population.

Therefore, I strongly think that the AJK quota, considering the competing population of 5 mn, should be given 3% quota.

I am sorry if I hurt anyone but this is reality.

[QUOTE=rose_pak;440930] Just for an example, AJK has 3.5 mn population which means 2% of population. [B]The refugees from Indian Occupied Kashmir living in Pakistan are 1.5 mn which is a little less than 1% of Pakistan's population. They apply for CSS on the basis of AJK state subject domicile, without even staying one night in AJK. [/B]
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These Refugees,Living in other parts of Pakistan,have dual domiciles,i-e domicile of their temporary residence + domicile of AJK? Pls elaborate

Whatever the system should be, there must no vacant seats. If some seats could not be filled by regional quota, these must be offered on open merit to others. It will improve over all government functioning as human resource would be available according to requirement.

[QUOTE=Kamran;439853]This is the competitive exams only for people of Punjab and KPK.For others,they just need to pass the written portion,and their allocation is confirmed.
Best of luck for next attempt.[/QUOTE]

No dear. Every region has a sort of competition within it. Just for example AJK. 14 candidates passed this year, only 3 are said to be getting allocations. So 14 are struggling for 3. It means only 20% of qualified candidates would get allocation. For rest, you can do maths.

Secondly, as far as infrastructure and facilities are concerned, please dont expect the material (study and otherwise) available in Lahore, Karachi, Islamabad would also be available in Quetta, interior sindh, some parts of GB or Kashmir. Just an example: when I got to my home in Muzaffarabad, I cannot get a copy of DAWN newspaper, as only limited number of specially ordered copies are available. So, I never read newspaper while being there. :roll. Please note, I am not speaking about books, other study material, guidance etc.

amna do you have any other attempt left?

[QUOTE=Kamran;439853]This is the competitive exams only for people of Punjab and KPK.For others,they just need to pass the written portion,and their allocation is confirmed.
Best of luck for next attempt.[/QUOTE]

Can you explain that how is it competitive for punjab and kpk ONLY? I mean If you have to choose one then you can easily say it's only competitive for punjab, but I wonder why did you included kpk in the list? I think 16th (All pak) is 1st in kpk.. so the real competition appears to be in PUNJAB only :)

@ haider abbas
 

yes sir i have one more attempt left with.

[QUOTE=mukt;440956]Can you explain that how is it competitive for punjab and kpk ONLY? I mean If you have to choose one then you can easily say it's only competitive for punjab, but I wonder why did you included kpk in the list? I think 16th (All pak) is 1st in kpk.. so the real competition appears to be in PUNJAB only :)[/QUOTE]
I had said this because people belonging to Punjab and KPK have to compete in their respective province to get allocation against limited vacancies.it is evident from past results that almost eighty percent(though varies from year to year) of written qualifiers belong to these two provinces only.And if you are taking ''competitive'' in terms of getting top positions then yes,you are correct in saying that real competition is in punjab.

@ [B]rose_pak[/B],sir your response is awaited please on this.
[QUOTE=Kamran;440933]These Refugees,Living in other parts of Pakistan,have dual domiciles,i-e domicile of their temporary residence + domicile of AJK? Pls elaborate[/QUOTE]

@ above given argument...
 

First of all, why we are discuccing this topic ? Secondly royal mention impeccable argument that its a competitive exam not a primary exam...if a candifate didnot get allocation so he must try for other jobs ..ther is also number of jobs for them , where the can apply as well as can get job..css is a game of luck..so there is no room of dicussion on it ..think positive on it , which i wrote... .

I think lets not call it a competitive exam rather call it a luck exam....

Yes provincial quota is important but in such an exma there must be more seats of merit and lesser of regional quota. The seats should be announced before the exam as is done in any other indcution.

[QUOTE=Kamran;440933]These Refugees,Living in other parts of Pakistan,have dual domiciles,i-e domicile of their temporary residence + domicile of AJK? Pls elaborate[/QUOTE]

Yes Kamran. As far as my understanding goes, it is like that. For example: if they are living in punjab, they can apply for punjab public service commission as well as Kashmir public service commission and CSS on Kashmir quota. Any fellow on this status can better elaborate.

[QUOTE=Kamran;440933]These Refugees,Living in other parts of Pakistan,have dual domiciles,i-e domicile of their temporary residence + domicile of AJK? Pls elaborate[/QUOTE]

Refugees of Kashmir do not possess dual domicile, they have their domicile of that province where they are living but they have their state subject of Azad Kashmir. So they avail the facilities of cities like Lahore and Karachi but compete with candidates who studied from AJK. As its not their fault, they do not have any other option so lets accept this fact. :bow