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Old Monday, October 15, 2012
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Hi,

Please go through this carefully:

http://www.cssforum.com.pk/css-dates...nsparency.html

Please check out raindrops post which is very reasonable and I have added a little more to it, which is a few posts below. A combined effort just might make a difference.
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I see a lot of people on these forums repeatedly using the phrase that CSS is a 'game of chance' but what baffles me is that it is described this way because English is not our native tongue and we do not use words properly or either are unaware of the concept of 'chance' and probability.

A lottery is a 'game of chance', gambling is also a mixture of chance, probability and some varying levels of skill.

The CSS examinations are used to select people to be inducted into bureaucracy to manage the affairs of the state. No, they DO NOT require the 'best of the best', they only require people that fulfill the minimum criteria for satisfactory performance and for the sake of maintaining transparency, the process is conducted through examinations.

I think that there are problems on both ends.

There is far too much of an interest in these papers that leads to a humongous amount of candidates appearing in these exams, in a system that was simply not designed for this purpose. The exams purpose is to eliminate unsuitable candidates, NOT to choose the best of the best (there is a subtle yet very crucial difference in these two approaches, such as CSS vs. GRE/GMAT)

We all know that the capabilities of the students vary greatly, and this is obviously reflected in their examination as well. However, due to the fact that the FPSC must minimize the number of examiners to maintain a fixed 'standard' as well as to control costs, each examiner is burdened with greater number of papers this way.

What happens next is simple. Any examiner that checks all papers thoroughly is either an honest man or a fool, hence rare. The practical solution is that the examiner simply selects the 'best looking' (aesthetically speaking) papers aside and once he has passed just enough students to meet an arbitrary criteria that would save him from scrutiny, can haphazardly fail students as he pleases.

The simple truth is that there is no way to get papers rechecked or any sort of external checks on the process, and also that the commission get their required number of candidates easily means that there is no reason why this process will be changed or improved, because, it is still doing what it was supposed to do.

Long story short, if any one wishes for their to be a 'fairer' (subjectively speaking) approach to avoiding extremely unpleasant outcomes at the end of years of hard work, struggle and sacrifice; petition/protest/lobby to get the commission to hold a GMAT/GRE style analytical reasoning and english MCQ test PRIOR to these lengthy written examinations. They can set a minimum acceptable criteria for marks from the objective exams for candidates to be eligible to sit for further examinations.


Ideally, they can simply hold interviews of top candidates right after the MCQ exams (which will obviously be checked by computers, eliminating human error)

This will decrease those soldiers of fortune that waste considerable amounts of theirs and others time by throwing off the grading curve.
I totally second your view. Although, many qualifiers or spectators would certainly be thinking that failures always shout but this is the fact that concept of luck prevails in this css exam.
Basically, i am not raising my eye brows over the transparency of fpsc but over the assessment criteria of checkers. Someone has rightly said that future of Pakistan is now in the hands of those M.A passed checkers who did nothing in their life except specializing in certain field of study.
Without an iota of exaggeration, thousands of families suffered from this system. Not only them, but also the entire nation. Look at the current bureaucratic system. Look at their efficiency and look at their performance. Everything is crystal clear.
I am not an authority to blitter checkers or anyone else. Yet, i reserve right to comment on this lackadaisical and inefficient system.
I don't know where are we heading as a nation but it's for sure that current system comprised upon corruption and red-tapism model will ruin us one day.

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All those who have qualified all the papers of CSS-2012 but have been declared fail in Eng( P&C) come forward. we are working on filling our petition, today the matter was discussed with a senior lawyer. It seems that FPSC has carried out a marks deduction policy after the examiner's had marked the paper. The court will be moved to examine the English(P&C) paper and see if there is a deduction after the original award of marks. If so then all such candidates have the right to be awarded the original marks.

It was advised by the legal experts that we should also apply for the recounting of marks simultaneously so that we follow the prescribed grievance resolution process of FPSC as well. The court will be moved alongside.

It is requested that all such candidates who have been declared fail in Eng(P&C) they come forward and join us in this joint effort. Plz contact me on my email address given in my profile or you may contact Mr.Zahid advocate on his number in the thread above.
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If they are being suspected that they deduct marks themselves then I'm also doubtful for my marks in CA & PA.I did well in both papers.I mean I can't expect to fail them.I failed C.E 2012 by 14 marks even when I got 50+ both in essay and Composition.

Do you think 'they' can be responsible for it?
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Bro,I don't intend to discourage you from filing petition against FPSC.However,I have firm belief that FPSC can't dare to deduct marks in some particular subject.It is the examiner of English (P&C),who may be responsible for this wrath.I know many people who can't even write proper english yet they have managed to get 50+,and interestingly they themselves are amazed to see their marks.that is called fortune my friend.I'm sorry but we have to live with this fact that we failed the composition paper where as many hundreds have passed it.
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I know many people who can't even write proper english yet they have managed to get 50+,
What do you mean by this ? Examiner can deduct marks blindly but can't give..acha !!
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What do you mean by this ? Examiner can deduct marks blindly but can't give..acha !!
It only means that there was no consistency in marking English (P&C) paper.
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It only means that there was no consistency in marking English (P&C) paper.
yani k jin k marks aye hain wo deserve nae kertay thay.Hai na ? Sab ko aik e saff mein khara ker dia.V.nice !
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If they are being suspected that they deduct marks themselves then I'm also doubtful for my marks in CA & PA.I did well in both papers.I mean I can't expect to fail them.I failed C.E 2012 by 14 marks even when I got 50+ both in essay and Composition.

Do you think 'they' can be responsible for it?
It is not the matter of suspicion but rather it is the matter of one's career.I endorse your dubious feelings that either they deduct marks or they are intentionally giving low marks in certain subject.
The most annoying point is that when you scored quite good in your first attempt then how come you failed in your second attempt particularly in GK.
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well dear friends the present system of conducting competitve system based on quota system where only 10% seats are doled out on merit is totally dubious secondly there are many malpractices in the entire selection process which i dont want to discuss here but i must bring it to your knowledge that before 1973 allocation of groups to successful candidates was made on the basis of performance in the academy since back then fpsc was only responsible for conducting the exam and sending the list of successful candidates to csa the benefit of the system was that the officers posted in the academy who were senior bureaucrats judged the suitability of candidates for different cadres on the basis of host of curricular and extra curricular activities and many candidates who were low on the basis of wriiten exam were able to join elite groups like psp dmg which later proved to be an asset to the country ask any senior csp officer recruited before 1973 he will tell you the difference between the quality of bureaucrats of yesteryears and now one more thing is that in those days approximately 1500/2000 candidtates appeared and 250+ succeeded now the number has swelled to 10000 appearing and in musharraf era only 150/200 are declared successful which definitely shows that there is something fishy going on since the people who fail have 700+ marks whereas those having borderline marks get through which is in comprehensible and time has to raise our voice otherwise our future is ruined i would like to quote Tariq Sultan the principal of Pakistan adminstrative staff college the highest training institute of senior bureaucracy in our country he said that this common system has destroyed the very fabric of administration and governance because it is throwing up incompetent inefficient dullards who are only able to pass the exam through rote learning and various short cuts and it is true for the over whelming majority according to him
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