Change in css 2011 policy
 

FPSC has decided to put up a summary to Establishment Division changing CSS 2011 eligibilty qualification from B.A degree to M.A.
It is also evident from the fact that CSS 2011 public notice is silent as to the eligibility criteria that changes are expected in them.
Now BA degree holders who aspire for CSS 2011 must request Chairman FPSC to enforce this decision from CSS 2012 so that the candidates get suitable time to enrol in MA program. At the same time they will not miss their CSS 2011 attempt.
So all BAs, start writing letters to editor requesting FPSC CHAIRMAN not to allow introduction of abrupt policy changes just 7 months before exam.

i think chairman have no powers to change the eligibility criteria for css

[QUOTE=aksk;196982]FPSC has decided to put up a summary to Establishment Division changing CSS 2011 eligibilty qualification from B.A degree to M.A.
It is also evident from the fact that CSS 2011 public notice is silent as to the eligibility criteria that changes are expected in them.
Now BA degree holders who aspire for CSS 2011 must request Chairman FPSC to enforce this decision from CSS 2012 so that the candidates get suitable time to enrol in MA program. At the same time they will not miss their CSS 2011 attempt.
So all BAs, start writing letters to editor requesting FPSC CHAIRMAN not to allow introduction of abrupt policy changes just 7 months before exam.[/QUOTE]

Please mention the source of this news...earlier this news proved just a rumour..
Regards,

Changes in CSS 2011
 

@ Rizwan, Chairman has the authority to [U]recommend[/U] changes in policy.
@ Maha Khan, I cant divulge the source but it's credible. I can also offer u ppl a circumstantial bt pretty convincing piece of evidence.
Compare the CSS 2011 advertisement with CSS 2010 ad.
CSS 2011 does not mention the eligibility criteria in terms of qualification
while CSS 2010 did so.
CSS 2010 instantly made available application form plus rules while CSS 2011 ad says that they will available in due course of time. This is aimed at giving FPSC some space in recommending and getting implemented the changes.
If u can offer any alternate explanation for the above then do let others know. I will be the most pleased since the FPSC decision will certainly n adversely affect me.

changing in css
 

dear fellows

if the govt. is willing to upgrade the elegibility critarea, defenatily the age factor will also be relaxed......

dont u pepl think so????????

this is the introductory first advertisement of fpsc for css 2011. fpsc dont give any criteria in its first introductory advertisement. last date of form submission, rules and criteria all are given in the second advertisement of fpsc which is usually given 4 months prior to written exam. so dear dnt worry. they r not going to do up side down. just keep ur nerves at the cool end and concentrate on your prep for css 2011. tc

Changes in [U]age[/U] and [U]syllabus[/U] shall also be the part of the summary. Last year Prime Minister rejected FPSC's summary for age relaxation. Let's c wht fate awaits this1

Cut the Crap.....
 

:come on,Cut the Crap, This should have done years back. I think B.A is nuthing but a useless degree keeping in view standard of education in Pakistan. So wat ever is done would ameliorate the Civil Services Of Pakistan..... Have a broader Horizon.....

Majority of the people is in the favor of Masters Degree Qualification and if it happens that there should also be age relaxation for the aspirants who are over age in the contemporary status.
So hope for the best .............



Regards

Well I also think that when one is competing for the most prestigious jobs in Pakistan, the qualification required must be Masters as these are the officers who run the country. So welcome this decision with open heart.

CSS age relaxation
 

I read out somewhere that there is summary is under consideration in senate for age relaxation. Those who have crossed the cutt off age limit for CSS exam should exert pressure on goverment by write letters in newspaper for increase the age limit.
The youth of this country is already mired in several problems,the poverty is on hype, unemploymemt is also escalating and this Goverment is not doing enough to curb out the problems and issues which are facing by the people. The Goverment can do this historical decision to increase the age limit of CSS exam at least for 40 years as in other countries this will happen like in India and canada specially.In this context this is pretinent to mention over here that that the Goverment took the remarkable decisions of NFC award, 18th Amendment, likewise they should now look after towards the major problems of the deprived nation as well.

I have also heard that the new policy is about to be finalized i.e. 16-year of education and 5-year age relaxation (28+5). We should welcome this move of the government because in this way we will have well educated as well as matured people in the Civil Services. Minimum qualification B.A. for such a supreme examination does seem appropriate (F.A/F.Sc for ISSB is OK but B.A for CSS …….. )

I am in favor of the Masters degree requirement. Infact I support it so much that I have already written letters to all concerned persons and also lobbying on my own in certain quarters so that this policy is implemented. Bureaucrats ought be highly educated persons and a bachelors degree does not suffice.

[QUOTE=fsaw;197010]
The Goverment can do this historical decision to increase the age limit of CSS exam at least for 40 years as in other countries this will happen like in India and canada specially.[/QUOTE]
im also in favour of Masters degree as our bureaucrats should be well educated:)but i will not support this idea that age limit should be 40 years..Css is and should remain a platform of young people to compete...:)
Regards,
Maha Khan

Eligibility Criteria CSS 2011
 

I open heartedly appreciate the Eligibility Criteria in Qualification, but i would request to please consider the age bracket as well , I want to appear in this year but due to age limit i will not be able to appear. Please consider age limit as well this time.

I think, in normal FPSC recruitments the minimum qualification for appointment in the BPS-17 is always a Masters. Even in PPSC there are some posts of of scales lower than 17 where Masters is the minimum qualification. CSS is the only platform where 14 years of education is the qualification for appearing in the exams.

But same is the view about Armed Forces, where even a person who is not even Graduate gets a very respectable Officership. A comparison will show that in both cases, CSS and Commission in Pak. Army let say, reveals that it is not the qualification that the interviewers are interested the most. Though, still, people with higher qualification secure better positions. Plus the tough criteria of selection scrutinizes the applicants in a multidirectional pattern.

To me, changing the minimum qualification will not do any good, only thing that will be affected is the number of applicants that will cut short to half.

Regarding age limit, we have news that for posts 1-16 the age limit has changed and a bit relaxed. But for CSS this is good enough. No need to change it. As we say in Punjabi, A LUCH TALAN DI LOAD NAI.:)

Regards

[B]When the final outcome of this decision is expected?[/B]

Though it is a good move to increase the qualification criteria but it should be made public before a years time to examination date. As most of the candidates have been preparing for CE, providing this decision at this time would end in frustration among candidates. I personally know a number of candidates who have deffered their masters programmes for the sake of preparation of CE.

Moreover, as age factor is considered, government needs energetic and fresh minds to manage its affairs. As far as maturity is concerned, 28 years of age is not less to mature a person. Even at 40, some people are not mature. So it is not a criteria.

As seen in last 4-5 years, most of the young people in Pakistan have preferred other services than joining the civil services (a fact admitted by FPSC too). So our government may think to provide an opportunity to those overage people who wish to join civil service. This policy is not going provide the government with brilliant minds as the people at an age of 30+ usually get settled in their relevant field (exceptions are possible).

i support openly, the change in policy...many candidates of hi caliber could not appear coz of this restriction.

some1 here has said that Govt needs fresh minds, then dear! y not u vote for new faces??????

age should be given relaxation n as far as 16 yr qualification is concerned it is also a good move. it will render more educated ppl to services....

hence i support new policy, which should be made public as soon as possible.

regards

In Today's (30-06-2010) Daily Jang, news regarding the uper age limit and POST-GRADUATION Qualification has been published. according to the news FPSC has moved the summary on the matters mentioned above to federal government for approval.
So hope fully positive signs have been mobilized and soon there will be good news on the board.......... PRAY


Regards

[QUOTE=idresee;197220]In Today's (30-06-2010) Daily Jang, news regarding the uper age limit and POST-GRADUATION Qualification has been published. according to the news FPSC has moved the summary on the matters mentioned above to federal government for approval.
So hope fully positive signs have been mobilized and soon there will be good news on the board.......... PRAY


Regards[/QUOTE]

I coul not find the news in the jang, plz can u mention the page number?

@idresee

Dear plz metion the page of Daily Jang and city edition(karachi,lahore or islamabad).

I think that the policy change would be that they would allow age relaxation to people who have done their MA.... for the rest it would be 28 yrs only
plus i should be noted that when u apply for a masters degree to USA, the average age of applicants is 28-30 years....so bachelors degree should still be the pre requisite for CSS

I vehemently oppose the idea of enforcing Masters Degree Qualification for CSS mandatory, as it would leave many genuine candidates of CSS behind the Bars in the coming competition. I personally think, If a person with a simple B.A degree competes and beats those who have Masters degree then it shows that degree is not a criteria for ones eligibility. Besides, those who have gone through the syllabus and course outline of CSS would witness that the whole syllabus criteria is made keeping in mind the Graduation based education. If FPSC aspires for such a move to raise the educational criteria then they should also change the whole syllabus according to the masters degree syllabus. So that those who want the most qualified people in bureaucracy may get satisfaction.

This move will only undermine the scope of CSS in terms of real talent. In a Competitive exam your degree doesn't make you afloat rather it is your inner potential which distinguishes you in a competitive exam. So I will give my vote in the continuation of the current policy of FPSC for CSS exams.

Regards and Reverence

Can someone post an authentic source of information to this news?

As one of my respected forum member mentioned earlier that there is a relevent news in "The News", I can't find it anywhere there. Any clue on this?

i completely agree with audacious, degree is not the criteria in the competetive examination . i know many people with mphil degrees come in to the examination hall and move out moaning and grunting. i do not support this idea because it would hurt many genuine aspirants . i know many people who have ba degrees got through the mphils.the idea that u r favouring does not have solid grounds

Well i think we should wait for the decision and its approval. And if any such decision is made we should all well come it. I think for any bright and talented student degree is not problem. But i think master degree must be included in the criteria as it is the matter of the most important posts of Pakistan. And if qualification is increased age relaxation must also be given

Here is the link in which it was also suggested by World Bank to raise the education level for C.S.S
[url]http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=232218[/url]

we all know that FPSC criteria for normal grade 17 posts is masters degree so we must welcome this move.

yes we welcome this move provided that Age Relaxation is awarded and restored to the previous limit(30 yrs).
Above all now every university in pak. and, even degree colleges(not all but many) have changed 2 yr degree into 4 yr programe.so it is logical to increase the education level from bechlor to Masters.

I support the idea of Masters level for CSS
 

I second the opinion on the anticipation that we get to see some mature and learned bureaucrats in the society - rather than inducting immatures and then spending huge chunk of money on their trainings ( this does not obviates the need for training ) and at the end of the day many of them fail in FPOE (Final Passing Out Examination) again.

[QUOTE=Muhammad Asjad;197311]Well i think we should wait for the decision and its approval. And if any such decision is made we should all well come it. I think for any bright and talented student degree is not problem. But i think master degree must be included in the criteria as it is the matter of the most important posts of Pakistan. And if qualification is increased age relaxation must also be given[/QUOTE]
Annual report 2007 of FPSC says:
"b) Performance of candidates in relation to their last academic
degree
7.23. Data shows that out of the appeared candidates, 46% were Masters
Degree holders, 35% hold Bachelor Degree, 8% Law Graduates, 4%
Engineering and 2% Medical degree holders. In final selection, share of
Masters Degree holders was 49%, followed by simple Graduation 28%,
Engineering 8% Medical 3% and Law Graduate 8% (Appendix-XVI, Table-9).
In view of these statistics, candidates with Engineering or Masters Degree
performed much better than others and got a higher share in selection as
compared to appearance percentages. Relative share according to last degree
of candidates has been shown in figure-9 below.
Education
3%
Bachelors
28%
Engineering
8%
Law
8%
Medical
3%
Masters
49%
M. Phil
1%
Figure 9: Share in Final Selection according to last academic degree of
candidates"
it's given on fpsc website n any1 can check.
Rise above petty self interests n just ponder whether it is justified at all to deprive the 28% segment of finally successful of the opportunity2 appear in CSS.
Obiter dicta: an MA is 2 Dogar guides away so better not use dat as yardstick2 measure maturity. CSS aims at selecting public sector practitioners not RESEARCHERS or LECTURERS. Those fixated wid MA as eligiblity criterion better need2 review their career preferences.
Ratio Decidendi: Chairman FPSC is a jurist so he will definitely place justice as the guiding principle and not limit da competition.

to aksk
 

yaar is report kay mutabik 28% bachelors hain.it proves my point that bachelors too can perform well. for heavens sake do not create a bar on these people.its my humble request to everyone

[QUOTE=redmax;197417]I second the opinion on the anticipation that we get to see some mature and learned bureaucrats in the society - rather than inducting immatures and then spending huge chunk of money on their trainings ( this does not obviates the need for training ) and at the end of the day many of them fail in FPOE (Final Passing Out Examination) again.[/QUOTE]
Let the immature BA enter the competition so dat s/he can also attain da same level of maturity as HIS EXCELLENCY THE MA :bow..i fail2 understand dat if da BA is so worthless y my learned friend is insisting so much4 throwing him out of da arena :0..dnt make CSS da forbidden fruit4 da yet-2-be-groomed BA, at least s/he can learn sumthing from HIS MAJESTY THE MA (perhaps by trickle effect if not by deliberate design) :blink:...let da poor soul stand in THE MA's esteemed league so s/he may grab some wisdom from THE MA's seemingly unlimited resrvoir of intellect+ maturity

[QUOTE=Sudhan;196995]:come on,Cut the Crap, This should have done years back. I think B.A is nuthing but a useless degree keeping in view standard of education in Pakistan. So wat ever is done would ameliorate the Civil Services Of Pakistan..... Have a broader Horizon.....[/QUOTE]
I advise u2 be da first1 to pay heed2 dis excellent sermon of expanding horizons. Global trends show dat today's CEOs tend2 b young...Harvard Business School and other top Ivy Leage universitiz are preferring younger candidates..now coming2 CSS expanding ur horizons would lead u2 da conclusion dat as per Cost Benefit Analysis, training and other taxpayer expenditure r more likely2 yield higher dividend if BAs get in2 Civil SErvice..they r more likely2:
(a)have a longer career span
(b)b fresh minds so easily imbibe da training's values
(c)b ambitious than the already-exhausted M.As

[QUOTE=mani1;197037]I am in favor of the Masters degree requirement. Infact I support it so much that I have already written letters to all concerned persons and also lobbying on my own in certain quarters so that this policy is implemented. Bureaucrats ought be highly educated persons and a bachelors degree does not suffice.[/QUOTE]
I appreciate ur recommendation n suggest dat the criterion must den b Phd so dat v have a massive segment of bunch of oldies in our civil service who, instead of serving da masses, snore in their offices and wait impatiently4 closing time2.
Wake up prospective civil servants..v need young n active public officials

[QUOTE=aksk;196982]FPSC has decided to put up a summary to Establishment Division changing CSS 2011 eligibilty qualification from B.A degree to M.A.
It is also evident from the fact that CSS 2011 public notice is silent as to the eligibility criteria that changes are expected in them.
Now BA degree holders who aspire for CSS 2011 must request Chairman FPSC to enforce this decision from CSS 2012 so that the candidates get suitable time to enrol in MA program. At the same time they will not miss their CSS 2011 attempt.
So all BAs, start writing letters to editor requesting FPSC CHAIRMAN not to allow introduction of abrupt policy changes just 7 months before exam.[/QUOTE]
hay man dont create an unnecessary tension. this is just a scam. now will you please tell me,from which source you come to know about this matter. there may be a chance of 16 year minimum education to become must for css, but [B]ma[/B] no chance, it will diturbs the age limit. e.g the minimum age limit is 22, will you please show me a single person who had done his or her ma at this age level.

[QUOTE=aksk;197441]I appreciate ur recommendation n suggest dat the criterion must den b Phd so dat v have a massive segment of bunch of oldies in our civil service who, instead of serving da masses, snore in their offices and wait impatiently4 closing time2.
Wake up prospective civil servants..v need young n active public officials[/QUOTE]

There is no need to be sarcastic my friend. Its about time that bureaucracy is restored to heights of its pristine past and in order to achieve this, entry barriers must be heightened to ensure that only and only cream makes it. We are the ones who will be responsible for steering this country out of its present and future troubles and a simple bachelors degree won't do.

I agree that bachelors/masters degree is not a measure of ones intellect, dedication and sincerity however it is also true that a candidate possessing a masters degree would have more knowledge and experience and would generally fare better than a candidate possessing bachelors degree. I must also emphasize here that no age relaxation of any sort should even be contemplated.

[B]Masters and max age of 28. Nothing more and nothing less.[/B] This would ensure that young and educated brass of the country makes it into the bureaucracy and only those candidates appear who are genuinely interested in well being of the country. The young would challenge the status quo, bring change and introduce innovative policies. Moreover with the ever changing social structure of our society the young are more prone to discourage and disdain from corrupt and unethical practices. Seriously, I can't even think a single rational reason for allowing a 37 year old to sit in the CSS exam. Obviously there can be only two reasons for a 37 year old to try and get into the top echelons of bureaucracy and those are that he

1)Either wants to earn money through illegal means
2)Has failed in his current occupation and wants to switch to public sector

Either way, he is not and must never be welcomed because we do not want the corrupt and failed personalities.

P.S. Please don't say that a 37 year old might want to 'contribute' towards the country, because if he ever even wanted to, he should have done it 10 years back. Its now time to give the reigns of leadership to the young.

I do not even want to go into the debate of young vs old workforce, demerits of quote system and empirical evidence of higher education having a higher correlation with improved on the job performance.

@aksk

we appreciate ur efforts.plz carry on.we r with u.

dear members show patience.a beaurucrat must b highly educated bcz in dis modern world bechelor degree is a low qualification.

u must knew the old ICS(indian civil service) criteria was bachelors degree some 150 years ago.

Currently in pakistan for all grade 17jobs minimum qualification is 16 years education.so y only BA for the most prestigious service in pakistan?

[QUOTE=mani1;197451]There is no need to be sarcastic my friend. Its about time that bureaucracy is restored to heights of its pristine past and in order to achieve this, entry barriers must be heightened to ensure that only and only cream makes it. We are the ones who will be responsible for steering this country out of its present and future troubles and a simple bachelors degree won't do.

I agree that bachelors/masters degree is not a measure of ones intellect, dedication and sincerity however it is also true that a candidate possessing a masters degree would have more knowledge and experience and would generally fare better than a candidate possessing bachelors degree. I must also emphasize here that no age relaxation of any sort should even be contemplated.

[B]Masters and max age of 28. Nothing more and nothing less.[/B] This would ensure that young and educated brass of the country makes it into the bureaucracy and only those candidates appear who are genuinely interested in well being of the country. The young would challenge the status quo, bring change and introduce innovative policies. Moreover with the ever changing social structure of our society the young are more prone to discourage and disdain from corrupt and unethical practices. Seriously, I can't even think a single rational reason for allowing a 37 year old to sit in the CSS exam. Obviously there can be only two reasons for a 37 year old to try and get into the top echelons of bureaucracy and those are that he

1)Either wants to earn money through illegal means
2)Has failed in his current occupation and wants to switch to public sector

Either way, he is not and must never be welcomed because we do not want the corrupt and failed personalities.

P.S. Please don't say that a 37 year old might want to 'contribute' towards the country, because if he ever even wanted to, he should have done it 10 years back. Its now time to give the reigns of leadership to the young.

I do not even want to go into the debate of young vs old workforce, demerits of quote system and empirical evidence of higher education having a higher correlation with improved on the job performance.[/QUOTE]
Ur argument is based on fallacious premise. Just consider, b it any corporate practice or exam, competition promotes effieciency and raises standards..erecting entry barriers benefits selected few, limits competition, violates universal principle of equal opportunity and results in steep fall in standards.
I invite u2 kindly contemplate and note da self contradictory argument presented by u in ur earlier post which says "I agree that bachelors/masters degree is [U]not a measure of ones intellect[/U], dedication and sincerity however it is also true that a [U]candidate possessing a masters degree would have more knowledge and experience [/U]and would generally fare better than a candidate possessing bachelors degree."
Plus no1 is arguing against da expected better performance of an MA but tell me does this in any way justify denial of right2 appear in exam4 da BA.
As4 ur insistence dat the MA would have accumulated more knowledge, nothing0 can judge dis better dan da CSS written portion. As4 da possibility of an MA having acquired more experience or supposedly more maturity than da BA graduate, da FPSC panel of seasoned officials can gauge dat better.
CSS syllabus explicitly says that the level shall b of Bachelors degree. There4 i feel dat da MAs r already overqualified or perhaps dey were a bit slow in opting4 civil service or mayb insecure and tried2 have alternative career path in the fear of anticipated unpleasant outcome.

[QUOTE=Nazik;197453]@aksk

we appreciate ur efforts.plz carry on.we r with u.

dear members show patience.a beaurucrat must b highly educated bcz in dis modern world bechelor degree is a low qualification.

u must knew the old ICS(indian civil service) criteria was bachelors degree some 150 years ago.

Currently in pakistan for all grade 17jobs minimum qualification is 16 years education.so y only BA for the most prestigious service in pakistan?[/QUOTE]
Dear friend, CSS already has an elaborate arrangement4 objective and subjective assessment of da candidates thru devices such as written+psychological+interview. AN MA's requirement would b redundant in presence of such yardsticks.

i wish to know that there r rumours circulating that every aspirant who is to appear in css 2011 must have master degree idont have this rather i am LLB degree holder am i eligible with my such degree

[QUOTE=aksk;197465]Ur argument is based on fallacious premise. Just consider, b it any corporate practice or exam, competition promotes effieciency and raises standards..erecting entry barriers benefits selected few, limits competition, violates universal principle of equal opportunity and results in steep fall in standards.
I invite u2 kindly contemplate and note da self contradictory argument presented by u in ur earlier post which says "I agree that bachelors/masters degree is [U]not a measure of ones intellect[/U], dedication and sincerity however it is also true that a [U]candidate possessing a masters degree would have more knowledge and experience [/U]and would generally fare better than a candidate possessing bachelors degree."
Plus no1 is arguing against da expected better performance of an MA but tell me does this in any way justify denial of right2 appear in exam4 da BA.
As4 ur insistence dat the MA would have accumulated more knowledge, nothing0 can judge dis better dan da CSS written portion. As4 da possibility of an MA having acquired more experience or supposedly more maturity than da BA graduate, da FPSC panel of seasoned officials can gauge dat better.
CSS syllabus explicitly says that the level shall b of Bachelors degree. There4 i feel dat da MAs r already overqualified or perhaps dey were a bit slow in opting4 civil service or mayb insecure and tried2 have alternative career path in the fear of anticipated unpleasant outcome.[/QUOTE]

Fallacious premise? Please let us all know what exactly is 'fallacious' about my argument? That a Masters student is not more learned compared to a Bachelors student? or that an young workforce is more competent, innovative desirable and skillful relative to an old one? I won't be tempted into your delirious and tempestuous assertions.

No one is against competition here, but it must be amongst the worthy. Entry barriers actually ensure that only those who have the requisite qualifications and experience are allowed to compete. If we go by the way of your argument, why restrict the CSS exams to Bachelors only? Why shouldn't FSC pass candidates be allowed to sit in the exam? Why is there Masters requirement on all Grade 17 jobs in the public sector? Why do all MNCs require a Masters degree for lucrative posts? Why do all other organizations scream about potential candidates having a Masters degree? Why this quandary, when according to your preconceived & baseless notions principle of 'equity' should prevail?

A word of advice; You should instead prepare for Masters than waste your time on nitwitted arguments

16 Years of education not Masters degree
 

First of all there is no need to increase any basic education level. If one is not competent enough he/she won't pass the exam.

Secondly I heard in news, in which someone from FPSC was speaking to the students of the Agri Univesity Faisalabad, that it would be 16 years of education requirement.

Which makes some sense instead of Masters degree because definitely degrees like BS (Hons), BBA (Hons) MBBS, BE Engineering etc are much better degrees than simple BA/BSc.

Requirements nowadays in various jobs are based upon years of education not degree.