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Usman Cheema Monday, March 07, 2011 04:22 PM

@Shahid Shakoor
Bro in my opinion the candidates were meant to take into the consideration the general consesus because its not specified that by consensus examiner meant only Ijma and one more thing I think candidates were to attempt this question only if they disagreed as specified in the question.

Regards,

obaid_gondal Monday, March 07, 2011 05:43 PM

[B][SIZE="3"][COLOR="Blue"]what an easy paper really[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]. :) , [B][SIZE="2"]Thnx God!!! i am over with my papers.[/SIZE][/B] :angle

As for as the power of parliament to do Ijma is concerned, you are very right; the current Parliament of Pakistan can't do Ijma because of so many reasons. But according to Allama Iqbal, the power should be given to an assembly that follows a specific pattern.

courageneverdies Monday, March 07, 2011 05:53 PM

[QUOTE=obaid_gondal;275535][B][SIZE="3"][COLOR="blue"]what an easy paper really[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]. :) , [B][SIZE="2"]Thnx God!!! i am over with my papers.[/SIZE][/B] :angle

As for as the power of parliament to do Ijma is concerned, you are very right; the current Parliament of Pakistan can't do Ijma because of so many reasons. But according to Allama Iqbal, the power should be given to an assembly that follows a specific pattern.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.... As mentioned in his book [B]Recreation of Muslim Thought in Islam[/B] but even in that case, are members of parliament qualified as jurists/Mujtahids?

Regards

cateyes Monday, March 07, 2011 08:30 PM

my answers are

1- a
2- a
3- b
4- d
5-b i was sure bt bad luck galat fill kar dia:pipe
6-c
7-b
8-c
9-c:)
10- b
11-b
12- b
13-a
14 b
15- b
16- b
17- b
18- a
19-a
20-a

lagta ha kafi saray galat ho gay.....

bt subjective aik dum fit tha....
3 question on one topic oooooooooooo i cant believe
n may nay parliment walay ma likha k consensus of opinion ho sakta ha

n likha

role of media
role of ulema
role of judiciary
end of corruption

bt the problem is ma nay likha [B]ijma[/B] is consensus of opinion.........

MaShWaNeE Monday, March 07, 2011 09:07 PM

musnad ahmad contains 40,000 ahadiths. i have this book.....so i am dead sure.

shanrafiq Monday, March 07, 2011 09:26 PM

guys, i think the parliment can also be taken as ijma, there are many reasons,
first lets consider the types of ijma. there are three types
1) consensus of the companions
2) consensus of the jurist
3) consensus of the general public
parliment falls in the third kind
there are also provisions in the constitution which prevent from any law which is unislamic from coming into effect
then there is the islamic ideology counsil to see that all the laws are according to islam
then there is a shariat court
then the parliment or legislative whicle making islaming laws can get the help of jurist.
furthermore in this day of age no one other then the parliment can be there which represent the majority of the people. the essence of ijma is the majority of the people agree. Parliment fullfills this criteria

shanrafiq Monday, March 07, 2011 09:28 PM

furthermore ijetihad and mujtahid is something different from the consensus of opinion!

SADIA SHAFIQ Monday, March 07, 2011 10:48 PM

i shifted it the requisite of parliment

if they will fulfill than parliment can ijma

Shahid Shakoor Monday, March 07, 2011 10:51 PM

[QUOTE=shanrafiq;275687]guys, i think the parliment can also be taken as ijma, there are many reasons,
first lets consider the types of ijma. there are three types
1) consensus of the companions
2) consensus of the jurist
3) consensus of the general public
parliment falls in the third kind
there are also provisions in the constitution which prevent from any law which is unislamic from coming into effect
then there is the islamic ideology counsil to see that all the laws are according to islam
then there is a shariat court
then the parliment or legislative whicle making islaming laws can get the help of jurist.
furthermore in this day of age no one other then the parliment can be there which represent the majority of the people. the essence of ijma is the majority of the people agree. Parliment fullfills this criteria[/QUOTE]

but ma to khub mirch masaly lga kr ye likh aya ho ke parliament ye ni kr skti....but mera 1 dost khta ha ke chaye parliament consensus na kr skti but tm ne ye hi likhna tha ke parliemnt consensus kr skti ha...agr nokri krni ha to Govt ko shabash dani ho gi:sleep::mad:let see examiner kia sochta ha

courageneverdies Tuesday, March 08, 2011 10:25 AM

[QUOTE=shanrafiq;275690]furthermore ijetihad and mujtahid is something different from the consensus of opinion![/QUOTE]

Yeah you are right, but kindly put light on the qualification of the person who can participate in an Ijma proceedings. I mean they are quite similar to that of a Mujtahid.

I have read that Ijma is of five (5) kinds.

1. Regular Ijma
2. Irregular Ijma
3. Ijma-ul-Ummah
4. Ijma-ul-Ulama
5. Ijma-i-Madina

In which category will our parliament fall? Not in First two and the fourth because only JURISTS with specific qualification can participate in these three.

If talking about Ijma in Parliament under strict Islamic rules, than it is also clearly mentioned that only A MUSLIM JURIST may participate in Ijma proceedings. So in parliament you'll have to keep out the non-Muslim members. Even if it is a matter of whatever field, like you yourself said, we have to ponder upon it keeping in mind the Islamic ideology.

I have not attempted this question, but my thoughts are as above.

I will be happy to have a reply and be corrected where wrong.

Thanks

Regards


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