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THE Sindh government is entirely within its rights to seek the provincial assembly’s input before making a decision. This principle applies to almost any kind of decision, and granting yet another extension to the policing powers being used by the Rangers in their Karachi operation is no exception.

The interior minister has wagged his finger angrily at the leadership in Sindh, and much commentary on TV has raised the prospect of governor’s rule if the extension in the powers of the Rangers is not granted immediately.

These suggestions are entirely out of line. What is also not needed are the interior minister’s remarks that he would release a video of Dr Asim Hussain, during which the latter allegedly confesses to all sorts of criminal behaviour.

Take a look: Federal govt spends Rs9bn annually on Sindh Rangers, asserts Nisar

We have seen enough media trials, and it is time for the courts to decide if the Rangers have produced sound reasons for having held the former minister for their full 90 days’ mandate on grounds of suspected terror financing.

Instead of chastising the Sindh government, the interior minister should be looking at how the wide-ranging powers of detention are being used by the Rangers, and whether their exercise is yielding up convictions or not.

Policing powers are a serious matter, and whenever any institution is entrusted with them, it is crucial to ensure that they are being used only for the purpose for which they were granted. In the case of the Rangers operation in Karachi, most people agree that the operation has successfully brought down the crime rate and disbanded many of the large criminal syndicates that had menaced the city for so long.

But over the past few months, too many questions have been raised about the use of these powers to make an automatic renewal subject to debate.

The interior minister’s suggestion to address the reservations of the PPP and the MQM by sitting down and talking may be a sincere attempt to seek a way forward, but he should realise that the right place to do the talking about these issues is the assembly, not the private offices of the interior ministry.

After all, it is the executive powers of the provincial government that are being entrusted to the Rangers, and the assembly has a natural right to debate this. The assembly’s mandate to discuss and vote on the grant of renewal deserves more respect than is being afforded in the debate surrounding the issue.

Published in Dawn, December 15th, 2015
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Well written, it is indeed the ghost of terrorism & malpractices have become big & deep that short and long term policy need to be taken at a swift pace across the board. In my opinion, the corrupt politicians are the biggest terrorists, first of all they must present themselves first for scrutiny & accountability. Only will the process flow through every department ranging from legislative body to military and bureaucracy. We the tax payers, must stand up to demand the above in loud and clear voice. The clash between federation & provisional unit is on account of only PPP's democratic dictatorship. Chaudri Nisar, basically saying correct that how could he let the cats to guard the milk!. If PPP given liberty and no trial against high profile politicains then how could the National Action Plan retained to lead the mess for devastation. It's been nearly one third of the week, so far neither federation & nor provisional govt is ready to take any initiative irrespective on going cold war across the border. On the other hand, a misconception is carried out that such clash could lead either the governor rule or martial law in Pakistan again. I don't think so any of the status quo could be correct one after the 18th amendment. According to the article 582b, such things can never be carried out at legal frames. There is an act, I have just forgotten it, according to that, if provisional assembly framed any unconstitutional set of acts, or if executive found guilty & against the national interest, then, the federation, after approval of senate & president's assent can divert the initiations of the provisional government. Of course, it needs informal assent and public support to do so. Nevertheless, after the trial of MQM & the turn of PPP has deteriorated the circumstances. In current dillema, the national interest be given priority to support Chaudri Nisar and our federation to uphold the crack down on the most corrupt ones, be it yar of Zardari or our an ordinary horsemen care taker, every one needs to be accountable in front of mighty justice and there should be nobody above the law. In addition to that, we must support the services of law & enforcement agencies who have been sacrificing their lives to crack down on non-state actors, corrupt politicians, extremists & retaining the law and order situation to its normalize by dredging the National Action plan to its logical conclusion.
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In 3rd year syllabus there is a piece of literature by the name of "Pearl" and in this novel there is a poor fisherman who by an accident found a pearl and when he went to the market the jewelers there started their tricks to give as much lesser money to the poor man as they could and they all were united against the poor but apparently they showed that they are not...the same is the case with our politicians...they can do anything and go to any extent to safeguard their interests and they all are united but the only hope is COAS General Raheel Sharif...kash hamari qom ko akal ajae to in politicians ko koi mun bhi na lagae kabhi elect na karte magar shaid woh wakt dur he jb aisa ho...aik Hadith he k Momin aik suraakh se do baar nahi dasta magar hum to hr election me khud ko daswa lete hn jo itne corupt politicians ko le ate hn aur ghalti hamari apni he warna aj kal ku Karachi me log marte...
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Agree... or Ahtasaab sub ka hna chahye, on equal grounds.
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discuss it in current senerio..todays qarardad in assembly.

what is the role of rangers actualy? to stop corruption?under which rule or to arrest terrorists? kindly reply

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discuss it in current senerio..todays qarardad in assembly.
Today's resolution was as expected one. Rangers has got conditional powers, it is regarded to against the spirit of National Action Plan. According to the resolution, the rangers can not arrest suspected facilitator of terrorists. Rangers has to crack down on only terrorists, extremists and extortion upfront. Rangers can not crack down on any corrupt institution, nor can it prosecute any of the nepotist, defrauder in order to interrogate or arrest the suspected one prior to the written approval of the CM. Be it high profile politician, terrorist or a common person, if he is a facilitator, then can not be caught.. Furthermore, the Rangers can not coordinate with any other paramilitary forces i.e ISI, IB, FIA or NAB to crack down and retain the operation irrespective Police force. Thereby, a huge confrontation has been triggered between the federation and provisional government.

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The Rangers has got special paramilitary powers to crack down on terrorism in accordance with the NAP, the main business of Rangers is to devastate militant organization and keep them behind the bars. Moreover, its another role to maintain law and order situation ranging from local areas, metropolitan cities to borders management and its security after Pakistan Army. Karachi is a mega city where Rangers has been functioning for last one and a half decade, although the recent prompt powerful crack down of Rangers is only on account of Zarb-e-Azab and National Action Plan.

Now coming to upholding of Rangers' crack down in Karachi. It is really unfortunate that the Rangers' powers have been trifled in nature as per the resolution passed by Sindh Assembly. Chaudhri Nisar, in his recent speech that he made to say "He will disclose the confession of Dr. Asim in which high profile political actors will likely be prosecuted" If it is really like that then why he does not disclose it? Does he want to keep such proofs for his personal political negotiations? We have given them mandate, are we looking fools? In this perspective, Imran Khan is a bit correct to say PPP & PML~N have been playing the political game of negotiation. If it is so, then such politics is against the spirit of democracy. Everything should be on board. Black sheep should be prosecuted and be punished so that others do not dare to do so such heinous acts ever again. Nevertheless, Chaudri Nisar is a very intelligent politician, calm and dynamic political leadership, you will see that he will likely incorporate his plan B to get the source of senate to impose article 147 and 248 to undo the passed resolution of Sindh government and it will likely further add to fuel the fire in confrontation. I think, Rangers should retain its operation like earlier and no any condition should be imposed in its powers for the future and stability of Karahi where 18 million people are resided.
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Nevertheless, Chaudri Nisar is a very intelligent politician, calm and dynamic political leadership, you will see that he will likely incorporate his plan B to get the source of senate to impose article 147 and 248 to undo the passed resolution of Sindh government and it will likely further add to fuel the fire in confrontation. I think, Rangers should retain its operation like earlier and no any condition should be imposed in its powers for the future and stability of Karahi where 18 million people are resided.[/QUOTE]

Brother, Article 147 is about: Power of the Provinces to entrust functions to the Federation and Sindh assembly is failed to make it feasible by delaying to pass the resolution; however, Article 248 is regarding Protection to President, Governor, Minister, etc hence, I dont understand how it will serves as a Plan B to undo the passed resolution of sindh government? Articles can not be undo, but amended by Parliament under Article 239 of the constitution. Besides, I think instead of Articles 248; It will be more viable to incorporate, Article 234 (Governor rule) "Power to issue Proclamation in case of failure of constitutional machinery in a province " in Karachi, and also Article 245, Function of Armed Forces for civil aid in case of emergency.

Hence, Article 248 of the constitution has no role in Karachi`s situation.
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The fact is Karachi gets peaceful sleep because of rangers not because of Sindh assembly.Let the people sleep peacei few more years. Dirty politicians start their dirty politics again. God bless Pakistan from these politicians.
on the other hand it was constitutional right o sindh govt
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@Bonaparte.. As I mentioned the article 248 does not protect the CM's fragile initiation for National Action Plan, whereas, the article 147 also exhibits confrontation. In my view, Chaudhri Nisar will present his case before the federation body that the provisional government is incapable; the CM, despite of having mandate and legitimate powers could not retain the National Action Plan in accordance with the national interest. I don't think so federation will lead the governor rule because in 18th amendment there are some conditions which do not let federation to go for such assents.
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@Bonaparte, brother do you think the prevailing confrontation can lead to the military rule in Pakistan, if yes, then how it can be led? if not, then, why? & why it is said that "the worst democracy is better then best dictatorship" Please justify your arguments in comparison with the regime of Perveiz Musharraf?
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