Must Read: true picture of american way of life!!

[Dr.G.AsgharMemon]

This commentry is made on ONE Eye-Opener article published in one of the most prestigious newspaper of United States of America The NewYork Times.

At the outset, i m requesting moderators of this forum not to delete,modify, or change this post. Because, it is really the time we understood our own values of morality, ethics, and right sense.

I would request, all members of forum, to put forth their views on this piece of article. thanks in advance.

the link to article is mentioned after commentry, so you can read my commentry than present your views.

My fellow aspirants, I want to know how many of you are liberal democrats in Pakistan. What is your definition of liberalism?
In recent times, world has seen strange happenings. Revolutions in science and technology on one hand has changed our concepts of time and space. ON the other hand, we have witnessed a totally different type of revolution.

Until now, we acknowledge that phenomenon of same-sex union is part and parcel of almost every society… But now, things are changing. Our ranks of morality, standards of ethics are solely motivated by ideas of personal liberty. Role of religion, in our betterment is seen with eye of suspicion. Todays man is motivated by ideas of ‘no involvement’ by state or religion in their ‘private’ affairs.
Dear brothers, is this not end of history? Is this not abysmal depth of ugliness into which we have fallen? Where are our values? Where is our ‘zameeer’’ where is our sense of Right and wrong? Is Evil winning against God?

IN new Hamshire, United States, Governer JOHN LYNCH has approved the law relating to same sex marriages. he says, “ Today We are standing up for the liberties of same-sex couples by making clear that they will receive the same rights, responsibilities-and respect-under New Hamshire”

Is this liberty? Do we want same liberty as it is in practice in united states? U.S is One of the large democracies. My head is aching with throbbing ,travails upon travails, of unending pain! Yet, look at us, we adopt American way of life. Ours is the particular case that young generation of our age dress themselves in tight clothes. Please , do not misunderstand me. I m not staunch follower of muslim values. But these values are universal in nature.
Now, concept of respect is even granted to gay married couples. lesbian unions! Unki bhi koi izzat hai… Trully, we will soon be conqured by evil forces. These same people who do same sex marriages, then are leading us on many fronts. Thanks to our so called “common sense” that we accept some of their values but no others. But, truth of the matter ,my brethren, is that ‘IF you pick one end of the stick, you pick up another” Aristotle once said, “ Evil is Good” “for what needs to be is good” and “ some evils needs be” in otherwords, He was saying that evil is our necessity. And necessity is our good..
Do u want to understand it in plain words? Don’t you see many Indian movies,now advocating, fighting for ‘prostitutes’ rights. They say, that a female prostitute is there because society can not live without it. Its there because society needs it. The need is supplied by some members of society,to whom, they should be ‘indebted’
But, now they are legally acknowledged. For time, In united states of America, the most powerful,military might!! But, if We do not guard ourselves,then we are its next 'easy prey'
Preamble to the bill says, “, “Each religious organization, association, or society has exclusive control over its own religious doctrine, policy, teachings and beliefs regarding who may marry within their faith.”
Some of the groups that advocate same sex marriages claim, “ As people get to know the loving and commited couples at the heart of marriage equality”
President of Gay and Lesbian alliance against Defamation says, “ Our culture is moving to equality”
Now, let us qualify the concepts of what is liberty, what is equality, and what is sense of right and wrong. This is the time... this is the hour... this is the day... let us do it now. let us know ourselves. let us not just fall into trap of illusion of democracy by tight banding over our eyes........

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/us...e.html?_r=1&hp

[osama24]

Dr Sahb,

Declaring same sex marriages to be 'part and parcel of the American way of life' is very unjust. If anything, the Americans are much more religously conservative specially compared to the Europeans. I can give you the example of the Republican Presidential candidate Senator John McCain who took a stand against same sex marriages and even against abortion in his campaign. Before him George Bush also claimed to be guided directly from heaven. Even the ordinary Americans I have across have always struck me as polite, courteous and 'conservative'. Hence, you cant bracket the entire American nation as 'liberals' or 'gone cases'.

Secondly, one has the right to criticize other's moral values only when one is at a better moral footing. I hope you dont consider same sex 'contacts' (prevalent all over the country) morally superior to same sex 'marriages'? Dr. Sb you should keep in mind that we live in a country where peadophiles roam freely, burn centres are full of women who were victims of 'susraali abuse', rape and torture are routine page 3 affairs and Panchayats, Baradaris and Jirgas regularly use women and minor girls as barter to settle old disputes.

And still we have the nerve to point fingers at others !!!

[Dr.G.AsgharMemon]

Declaring same sex marriages to be 'part and parcel of the American way of life' is very unjust

Brother, plz Do not misquote me! Tell me where i said, that same sex is part and parcel of american way of life? on the contrary . check out this line,which u have misquoted:

I say:

Until now, we acknowledge that phenomenon of same-sex union is part and parcel of almost every society… But now, things are changing

This means, that we do agree that same sex union is part and parcel of every society. by word ''every society'' we mean all societies. not just one or two. We pakistani society being one part of it. i know examples which you have mentioned of burn centres being ful of victims. but bro understand my argument.
if you had read my post, u wudnot have jumped to ur conclusion about my intentions...
i say in my post :

But, now they are legally acknowledged

you see, an evil may be present in any society, and evils are present in many societies. But, think about it, you are legalizing it!! legalization of evil will promote it, which by the passage of time will be thought of as a ''birth right'' So, its denial will cause in people jerks of being shackled. This is where we need to uphold only right values as our laws, bad practices must be expressly condemned.
Your argument that :

I hope you dont consider same sex 'contacts' (prevalent all over the country) morally superior to same sex 'marriages'?

is absolutely wrong. because you r thinking just because a society is doing bad deeds in cover so it is better to provide them with legal cover. See , if one of the evils is to be picked, the least corrupt should be picked.
between two fires of different intensity, one with less intensity is to be picked.
ON the face of it. legalization seems fine. cos there is no more troubles for government. but deep down, it has repurcussions, which will be felt through out if left on loose. we can not simply legalize corrupting influences just because they are common, or being done. {though irrelevant with this topic. explicit agreement to swat deal, proved wrong. because ,to begin with it was acceptance to a thing which was antithesis of our constitution.}
if your question is which one is superior of two in terms of morality. i wud say your question is wrong to begin with. because both are morally wrong practices. But , if ur question had been which one of these two can be tolerated upto some extent. i wud go for without legal cover,supplemented with vehment opposition. That is good for us.

[Faisalmemon]

Unisex intimate relation is not a new issue. History tells us that nations were destroyed owing to this evil practices. The holy Quran is an ample witness and evidence of this intimate unisex relations. The nation of Hazrat Looat (R.A) was cruse by Almighty God. The land of Palestine was victim of this destruction. Morally and religious perspectives condemned this so-called unisex intimacy.
Let us exam this trait of the United States from sociological perspective. This trait to our society is stigma and major sin. (Gunha-e- Kabreera). So in this respect, this trait is not acceptable in the Muslim world. However, unfortunately sexual abuse with minor children is prevailing in our society. But, this is also universal issue. Nevertheless, dear no one can deny this truth that unisex relation in our society is common. And people is being proud to having unisex relation. Deplorably this evil is getting approval in our society. I don’t want to pin point the parts of Pakistan, but, dear brothers, this truth can not be denied and we couldn’t turn our eyes on this issue; this causes many women deprived of their opposite sex intimacy. But this evil practice is prevailing in Pakistan neither in the name of democracy nor liberty. But, for the sake of pleasure our people are practicing this evil. Regrettably, we have closed our eyes on this issue.
This is not necessary that liberty which is practiced in the US, may also be applicable in Pakistan or in any another society. However, this is universal phenomenon. And deserves the strongest possible condemned. I am thankful to my dearest friend dr.g.asagar that he initiated this reluctant issue for the debate.

regards
Faisal Ahmed Memon.