How to Protect Urdu?
 

Urdu, national language of Pakistan. which is at 4th in the world ranking. This language has a hoarded wealth of literature. Many famous persons have unique identification in the world due to their work in Urdu literature, like Mirza Ghalib Meer Taqi Meer, Allama Iqbal etc. but, now, this famous language is facing broblems. you people will decide whether it is going to be a dead language or will remain and maintain its status.
As writing system i .e Nastaliq script, of this language is different from the other languages like English scrip, Roman script and Hindi script etc. In modern ages people are using mobiles and internet as a medium, for their communications. they write urdu words in english scrip because most of the computers and mobiles have no urdu editors.
world famous companies are not interested to build urdu editors. as Google has more than 50 languages translators, but not has Urdu translator, although Urdu is 4th popular language, why they are not having editor or translator . is it Google's biasing towards Urdu?
Pakistani peoples are not interested to send their children to Urdu medium schools. It has become a status symbol, to sen children to English medium school.
some people say that Indian movies are doing great for the promotion of Urdu language. Some say, not only movies but our literature which is written in Urdu is the source of the promotion of Urdu language, they say, we must take interest in Urdu literature. We must write enough literary books.

now I would like to raise some questions.
in future, will Urdu be disappeared from the surface of the earth?
Can we not build Urdu editors at to compete the editors of other languages?
Is it Google's biasing towards Urdu that it doesn't have Urdu translator like translators of other languages?
Are literary persons not interested to do work in Urdu?
Are Indian films really doing any work to make Urdu famous?
what will be the effect of new writing system?
Is our new generation not interested in Urdu?
Will English replace Urdu?
How can we protect our language?

Take step to protect Urdu Language
 

Hi, I m really happy to see the post.. i agree with you javed.

Many people are taking interest in the language. Like CRULP(Center for research in Urdu language Processing) , which is running by Professor Dr, Sarmad Hussian. He belongs to IT field but working for Pakistani Languages. You may visit the site... [URL="http://www.crulp.org/"]www.crulp.org[/URL]. The Center is working for Languages +IT.

CRULP has developed Online Urdu dictionary, Nokia Urdu software, Text to speech system etc. Recently CRULP have completed a project, named Dareecha, which has localized some computer applications in Urdu language. I observe that many famous people from Urdu Literature are not working for their language. People read the Urdu stuff but just for entertainment. Nobody knows the importance of our national language and our heritage of Urdu Literature.

[QUOTE]in future, will Urdu be disappeared from the surface of the earth?
Will English replace Urdu? [/QUOTE]
That would indeed be pessimistic to think like that. Even though the language is not being developed the same way, as it should have been, still there are some people and institutions which are working to keep it alive and growing. Yes, you are right in one way that if we do not act meaningfully now, the language, in a longer period of time might die its own death. The mixing of different languages in it, especially the english words which are considered fashionable these days, is in fact a manifestation of this phenomenon. The language might not die per se, but it will be so corrupted that it would be hard to identify it as such.

[QUOTE]Can we not build Urdu editors at to compete the editors of other languages?
Is it Google's biasing towards Urdu that it doesn't have Urdu translator like translators of other languages?[/QUOTE]
A few people have indeed made attempts at creating these editors. But, for such an effort we should not rely on others i.e. foreign multinationals, but it should be an indigenous effort. Software houses within Pakistan should make efforts in this regard. But you should also understand their dilemma that most of these concerns, local or international, are driven by market demand. There isn't any appreciable demand of urdu editors, apart from low level word processing requirements in courts, and public offices. One reason is that at all middle and higher levels, English is used as the medium. One thing more that we should understand is that mapping urdu script and its grammar on digital machines is not as trivial. Microsoft has attempted in its Office Suit. You can explore that.
One solution to this is to initiate an open source movement. This type of movement is led by free lancers, where everyone is allowed to contribute towards the development of any software in their free time. This contribution demands no remuneration and is available free of cost to everyone. This enables wide scale testing, use and development of software.

[QUOTE]Are literary persons not interested to do work in Urdu?[/QUOTE]
They are interested and certainly they are doing a lot of work too. But on the contrary not many people are interested in reading their work. How many times have we ourselves read a good urdu novel, or a literary piece. It has been ingrained in our mindset to look for an english reading, be it a book, novel or newspaper.

[QUOTE]Are Indian films really doing any work to make Urdu famous?[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is ironic to say, but yes they are. In fact, the reason the Bollywood movies are produced in increasingly simple (read urdu) language is that they want to capture a wider array of audience and thus more market. Pakistan is one such big market of their productions.

[QUOTE]Is our new generation not interested in Urdu? [/QUOTE]
Sadly, that is true. In effect this internet era has destroyed their sense of urdu language, its composition and structure. Weak though it used to be, but at least schools were a good instrument at teaching students with language.

[QUOTE]How can we protect our language?[/QUOTE]
Start reading urdu newspapers, novels. This would create a demand for the literature and more and more people would come up to produce it.

[B]@maliasghar [/B]

Dear Muhammad Ali Asghar! Your idea of launching open source movement to built high quality Urdu editors and other software to promote Urdu language in the world, is highly appreciable. we must work hard to make urdu a popular and alive language. We must take steps to integrate Urdu script in digital machines. Only one person or organization cannot do this, your idea of open source development of Urdu software can solve this problem, but who will initiate it?

The other thing which irritates me, whenever i think about it is that our new generation is not interested in learning Urdu. They are fond of English literature and English music etc. they know much about William Shakespeare, William Makepeace Thackeray, Thomas Hardy and Leo Tolstoy. They, even, don't know about Meer Taqi Meer, Ibrahim Zauq, Mira Asad ullah Khan Ghalib, shaifta and Momin Khan Momin etc. How can we make our new generation interested in Urdu literature?


[QUOTE=xena1806;183581]Hi, I m really happy to see the post.. i agree with you javed.

Many people are taking interest in the language. Like CRULP(Center for research in Urdu language Processing) , which is running by Professor Dr, Sarmad Hussian. He belongs to IT field but working for Pakistani Languages. You may visit the site... [URL="http://www.crulp.org/"]www.crulp.org[/URL]. The Center is working for Languages +IT.

CRULP has developed Online Urdu dictionary, Nokia Urdu software, Text to speech system etc. Recently CRULP have completed a project, named Dareecha, which has localized some computer applications in Urdu language. I observe that many famous people from Urdu Literature are not working for their language. People read the Urdu stuff but just for entertainment. Nobody knows the importance of our national language and our heritage of Urdu Literature.[/QUOTE]

Dear! I went through the website which was described by you, but could not find any valuable thing, which would help to promote Urdu Language. It is a just a commercial website which develops software for earning money.the topic of discussion is "how to promote Urdu Language?" We will really appreciate your suggestion on this topic. this forum is not for commercial advertisement.

[QUOTE=javed_iqbal7863;183505]

now I would like to raise some questions.
in future, will Urdu be disappeared from the surface of the earth?
Can we not build Urdu editors at to compete the editors of other languages?
Is it Google's biasing towards Urdu that it doesn't have Urdu translator like translators of other languages?
Are literary persons not interested to do work in Urdu?
Are Indian films really doing any work to make Urdu famous?
what will be the effect of new writing system?
Is our new generation not interested in Urdu?
Will English replace Urdu?
How can we protect our language?[/QUOTE]

Dear,urdu is not going to disappear from the surface of the earth...Though Urdu is our Official Language,yet we seldom use it in Official works...but inspite of this,every Pakistani,no matter,where he lives(sindh,Punjab,Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa,Balochistan)understands Urdu,..thats why urdu is our National language..
yes,Google should have urdu translator like other languages of the world.
Indain movies have played a major role in the Popualrization of urdu language..but now our generation are used to mix hindi with Urdu language..i was amazed to listen a coversation b/w two children during my travel..they were like"mere Pitta Shirawati ne kha hai k first aao ge to video game le k dun ga"etc...:laughing..the other child also used Hindi,he said during his gossip"muje is mamle ki jankari nhi"....ironically their mothers were calm and didnot say anything to them..
our new generation is not interested in Urdu,simply because they considered it a waste of time to read Urdu Novels and fiction..
our literary persons are interested to do work in urdu..but their work is not highlighted by electronic media..
English will replace urdu in Educational&Business institutions...You can see any job Advertisement,in which it would be clearly mentioned by the company'owners"Proficieny in English Language is must"..
Take the example of CSS exam,where only good English is required to get through the exam..why??

[QUOTE=Maha Khan;183888]Dear,urdu is not going to disappear from the surface of the earth...Though Urdu is our Official Language,yet we seldom use it in Official works...but inspite of this,every Pakistani,no matter,where he lives(sindh,Punjab,Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa,Balochistan)understands Urdu,..thats why urdu is our National language..
yes,Google should have urdu translator like other languages of the world.
Indain movies have played a major role in the Popualrization of urdu language..but now our generation are used to mix hindi with Urdu language..i was amazed to listen a coversation b/w two children during my travel..they were like"mere Pitta Shirawati ne kha hai k first aao ge to video game le k dun ga"etc...:laughing..the other child also used Hindi,he said during his gossip"muje is mamle ki jankari nhi"....ironically their mothers were calm and didnot say anything to them..
our new generation is not interested in Urdu,simply because they considered it a waste of time to read Urdu Novels and fiction..
our literary persons are interested to do work in urdu..but their work is not highlighted by electronic media..
English will replace urdu in Educational&Business institutions...You can see any job Advertisement,in which it would be clearly mentioned by the company'owners"Proficieny in English Language is must"..
Take the example of CSS exam,where only good English is required to get through the exam..why??[/QUOTE]

Dear MAha! I appreciate your feelings about Urdu Language.
Indian movies are mixture of Urdu and Hindi, these movies are getting influence on our children as you have described. how can we make aware of our Urdu language to our children.
why, our new generation considers that it is a wastage of time to read Urdu novels and fiction. is there not a good stuff of novels and fiction to read in Urdu . why, our new generation is interested in English literature. is English literature better than that of Urdu.
Germany, France, China, Russia and many other counties are providing education in their native languages then why Pakistan is having double stander in this field.

Any language which is losing out to other languages must have inherent flaws or must be facing adverse circumstances. Urdu is no exception. Before becoming so melancholic about Urdu losing popularity, we must look at the following facts: -

Urdu, our national language, is the mother tongue of only 8% of Pakistanis. Therefore, its status as national language is debatable and questionable.

Second, Urdu has never been the language of muslims. Through out the history, Muslims have used Arabic and in South Asia, the Mughal kings used Persian. urdu is a very recent language and came into being in a particular localities of Delhi and Lucknow. Therefore, Urdu is not a symbol of Islamic brotherhood.

Third, we cannot compete in this world by sticking to Urdu at cost of English. The advanced nations such as France, China etc., who had been using national languages since near past, are also fast learning English now. In China, English professors are amongst the highest paid.

Fourth, Urdu as a national language has been unable to unite Pakistanis. People use their mopther tongues in common parlance.

Therefore, we need not worry about promoting Urdu. We should instead be learning English and create a niche for ourselves. The world has moved on from [I]Gham-e-Jaanaan[/I] and [I]Mehboob ki bay rukhi [/I]etc.

And lastly, Urdu is not going to die. Though it will become less and less popular with time. And we should just not be concerned about that.

[QUOTE=javed_iqbal7863;183900]Dear MAha! I appreciate your feelings about Urdu Language.

why, our new generation considers that it is a wastage of time to read Urdu novels and fiction. is there not a good stuff of novels and fiction to read in Urdu . why, our new generation is interested in English literature. is English literature better than that of Urdu.
Germany, France, China, Russia and many other counties are providing education in their native languages then why Pakistan is having double stander in this field.[/QUOTE]

Honestly,we are a Complexed Nation..there is a general Perception in Pak"Gareeb ki Urdu aur Ameer ki English achi hoti hai"...thatswhy our generation dont wana to waste their time by reading Ghalib,Faiz,Meer,Quratulain Haider etc...no doubt there is a very good stuff in Urdu novels,fiction and poetry..e.g Ghalib said"Aisi JAnnat ka kia kre koi,jis mein Lakhoon Baars ki Hoorain Hoon":))see his modernity..but still many of us only know about his name and not about his poetic work...YOU have given the examples of china,Russia,France and Germany..but we cannot follow their example,You know why?Urdu vocbulary is not so much rich to decribe scientific terms,ask any doctor,he will tell you that "we cannot read in Urdu,because there are so many diseases whose name we dont find in Urdu dictionary":))


[QUOTE=Nauman;183921]

Urdu, our national language, is the mother tongue of only 8% of Pakistanis. Therefore, its status as national language is debatable and questionable.

.[/QUOTE]

no doubt sir,You are right,but every Pakistani Uderstands urdu,thatswhy its our national language,a Person living in khyber Pakhtoonkha,or Balochistan may be feel some difficulty to understand Punjabi,but he will know urdu;)

[QUOTE=Maha Khan;183925] every Pakistani Uderstands urdu,[/QUOTE]


Well Urdu is developing as an International Language. Few more years, Urdu will no more be unintelligible to the world community.

[QUOTE=Nauman;183921]Any language which is losing out to other languages must have inherent flaws or must be facing adverse circumstances. Urdu is no exception. Before becoming so melancholic about Urdu losing popularity, we must look at the following facts: -

Urdu, our national language, is the mother tongue of only 8% of Pakistanis. Therefore, its status as national language is debatable and questionable.

Second, Urdu has never been the language of muslims. Through out the history, Muslims have used Arabic and in South Asia, the Mughal kings used Persian. urdu is a very recent language and came into being in a particular localities of Delhi and Lucknow. Therefore, Urdu is not a symbol of Islamic brotherhood.

Third, we cannot compete in this world by sticking to Urdu at cost of English. The advanced nations such as France, China etc., who had been using national languages since near past, are also fast learning English now. In China, English professors are amongst the highest paid.

Fourth, Urdu as a national language has been unable to unite Pakistanis. People use their mopther tongues in common parlance.

Therefore, we need not worry about promoting Urdu. We should instead be learning English and create a niche for ourselves. The world has moved on from [I]Gham-e-Jaanaan[/I] and [I]Mehboob ki bay rukhi [/I]etc.

And lastly, Urdu is not going to die. Though it will become less and less popular with time. And we should just not be concerned about that.[/QUOTE]

Respected Sir! I disagree to your arguments. You have said that only 8% people's mother language is Urdu. Therefore, its status as national language is debatable and questionable.
More than 450 million people can speak Urdu, it is on the 4th position of the world ranking. According to Wikipedia its position is after English. near about everyone in Pakistan can speaks and understands Urdu. Then, why is Urdu as our national language questionable?

Yes, Urdu has never been the language of Muslims, before mughul era. Mughal King, Bahadur Shah Zafar was a great Urdu poet. Urdu was originated from the centers of Muslim traditions, which were Dehly, Agra and Lakhnow etc. Urdu came into existence due to Muslim poets and scholars. We can say Urdu is language of the Muslims of India and Pakistan.

Sir! Chinese President Hu Jintao cannot speak English, even their Foreign Minister also cannot speak English. Many people from china can speak Urdu fluently , but they are not able to speak English. if they are surviving in the world then why cannot we survive in the world without speaking English.
Urdu is our hoarded wealth we have to protect it.
INSHA ALLAH we will protect it


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[QUOTE=Maha Khan;183924]Urdu vocbulary is not so much rich to decribe scientific terms,ask any doctor,he will tell you that "we cannot read in Urdu,because there are so many diseases whose name we dont find in Urdu dictionary":))[/QUOTE]


Dear Maha!
Urdu vocabulary is rich enough and also Urdu has the ability of absorption of other words. we can assign words from Urdu to those specific terms or we can utter those terms as those are.

[QUOTE=javed_iqbal7863;183938]
Dear Maha!
Urdu vocabulary is rich enough and also Urdu has the ability of absorption of other words. we can assign words from Urdu to those specific terms or we can utter those terms as those are.[/QUOTE]

no dear,urdu is not rich enough...what will you say "Ponstan"in urdu:thinkinghow we can translte a large number of medicine and Engineering books in Urdu?...yes,but we must not neglect urdu..our media should play its role in this regard..

[QUOTE=Maha Khan;183940]no dear,urdu is not rich enough...what will you say "Ponstan"in urdu:thinkinghow we can translte a large number of medicine and Engineering books in Urdu?...yes,but we must not neglect urdu..our media should play its role in this regard..[/QUOTE]

Dear!
In Urdu, Ponstan will be called Ponstan. Because, Urdu has ability to absorb the words from other languages, as many other words from the other languages are frequently used in Urdu..
not only our media, according to our circumstances, we all should play role in this regard..

[QUOTE=javed_iqbal7863;183949]Dear!
In Urdu, Ponstan will be called Ponstan. Because, Urdu has ability to absorb the words from other languages, as many other words from the other languages are frequently used in Urdu..
not only our media, according to our circumstances, we all should play role in this regard..[/QUOTE]

well you have given a superb example. if urdu has the ability to absorb other languages,then what its original form???you cannot borrow all the words or terms from English;)and then speak against its monoply...yes,we should promote urdu language and literature,but you cannot say that urdu will ever replace English in our country;)...im not agaist urdu,i ve opted or read urdu literature...but i must say,now we cannot follow china'example

@ Maha
 

[QUOTE=Maha Khan;183924]
but every Pakistani Uderstands urdu,thatswhy its our national language,a Person living in khyber Pakhtoonkha,or Balochistan may be feel some difficulty to understand Punjabi,but he will know urdu[/QUOTE]


I guess you have never been to the rural areas of Khyber Pakhtunkhaw and Balochistan. A very large number of people there cannot understand Urdu. So, correct yourself. Urdu is not a widely known language in pakistan.

[QUOTE=Maha Khan;183961]well you have given a superb example. if urdu has the ability to absorb other languages,then what its original form???you cannot borrow all the words or terms from English;)and then speak against its monoply...yes,we should promote urdu language and literature,but you cannot say that urdu will ever replace English in our country;)...im not agaist urdu,i ve opted or read urdu literature...but i must say,now we cannot follow china'example[/QUOTE]

A language will remain in this world, if it has ability of absorption, even English has absorbed many words from other Languages and also from Urdu language. for example:Garam Masala, Roti, Pukka, Poori, Loot, Khaki, Jungle, Gymkhana, Dekko, Dacoit and many more. See the meanings of these words in English dictionary.
Dear! are these words not from Urdu? which are absorbed by English.
If there is no proper word in Urdu for a specific term or word from the other languages, then we can pronounce it, as it is.

Great discussion And good topic!
But I am really amazed to see people who are having objection on Urdu as our national language. 8% is just a statistical measurement it has nothing to do with understanding of a language. A national language is the one that acts as a means of communication between different provinces and states. If people in far flung areas or villages of Khyber Pakhtoonkhawa and Balochistan are unable to understand Urdu, so what? Urdu is spoken in schools, colleges, universities and mudrassas across the lenghts and breaths of Pakistan. Urdu continues to be the mother tongue of new generation in Urban Punjab. Parents like to speak Urdu rather than Punjabi to their children in cities of Punjab. Secondly, to the objection that Urdu is/was not a language of Muslims, I would like to comment that Urdu still haS much more knowledge of Islam, there are more writings and workings on Islam in URdu than English. Urdu has been the language used by radio Pakistan and PTV right from their inception and the language has been popular among people of the four provinces. Even today, Urdu is the most effective language for mass communication. Most of the TV Channels and News Dailies use Urdu. There are fewer TV Channels and dailies in regional languages than in Urdu that explains the popularity of Urdu among the masses.
And if we take into account that statical paraMETER ALONE, Then Punjabi ( the language of 48% Pakistanis) should be the national language, but at the cost of federation of Pakistan. Urdu represents all the four provinces of Pakistan. So, it enjoys the status of national language rightly.:comein

[QUOTE=javed_iqbal7863;183505]

now I would like to raise some questions.
in future,
1- will Urdu be disappeared from the surface of the earth?
2- Can we not build Urdu editors at to compete the editors of other languages?
3- Is it Google's biasing towards Urdu that it doesn't have Urdu translator like translators of other languages?
4- Are literary persons not interested to do work in Urdu?
5- Are Indian films really doing any work to make Urdu famous?
6- what will be the effect of new writing system?
7- Is our new generation not interested in Urdu?
8- Will English replace Urdu?
9- How can we protect our language?[/QUOTE]

aoa your post is thought provoking.you are not alone in your concerns for the national language.i would first like to adress your querries.
Comments on your questions:

1 & 8- there is no such threat to the language because a language which is rich in history,expressions and litrature requires a pro-active compaign against its survival.and we dont see any such pointed conspiracies,or, or we?

2 & 4- we do have man of standind and wisdome who think as well as produce in urdu.but their dilemma lies in three facts:
a- we have poor literacy rate
b- and the few literate Pakistanies are not fond of reading
c- those few who read,read out of fondness for fashion rather than for reading itself,are tending towards english literature.

3- we dont need outsiders for blaming them for spoiling us when we are careless ourselves

5- intentions cannot be known,but what bollywood is doing is rather promoting their own language more than it is having any effect on Urdu.we can see people using Hindi words in communication.

6- couldn't get this point

7- well your initiative in farm of this thread and others' concern is a strong signe that we respect our language :))

9- how we can promote is the most important issue.there is positive signe in this respect...our high birth rate is prooving as a blessing in disguise,more the speakers of a language,extended would be the life of their language :))
anyhow the serious steps in this respect can be:

a- giving attention to liberaries
b- reproducing the work of urdu scholars in other languages
c- encouraging youngesters by holding urdu essay,poetry,writing etc compititions
d- exchanging the urdu books as gifts
e- generation of competent teaching faculty for urdu
f- our embassies should distribute urdu litrature books with translation to visiters
these are few small but interest invoking steps in the desired direction.
i ll try to add few more points some other time.
regards

[QUOTE=KAWISH;183983]
b- and the few literate Pakistanies are not fond of reading
c- those few who read,read out of fondness for fashion rather than for reading itself,are tending towards english literature.
[/QUOTE]
Dear Kawish!
Why are literate Pakistani not fond of reading and are fond of English literature? Is Urdu literature not good like as English Literature?
[QUOTE]
9- how we can promote is the most important issue.there is positive signe in this respect...our high birth rate is prooving as a blessing in disguise,more the speakers of a language,extended would be the life of their language :))
[/QUOTE]
But our Government is stressing over family planing. What do you think about it?
[QUOTE]
anyhow the serious steps in this respect can be:

a- giving attention to liberaries
b- reproducing the work of urdu scholars in other languages
c- encouraging youngesters by holding urdu essay,poetry,writing etc compititions
d- exchanging the urdu books as gifts
e- generation of competent teaching faculty for urdu
f- our embassies should distribute urdu litrature books with translation to visiters
these are few small but interest invoking steps in the desired direction.
i ll try to add few more points some other time.
regards[/QUOTE]
Dear! Your suggestions are highly appreciable. If the people like you are in our society then we can guess that there will be no dangerous situation, in future, for Urdu.
would you like to suggest us, how to act upon your suggestions? who will take initiative?
we are waiting for your precious suggestions.

@ Unique
 

I never said Punjabi should be the national language. We should follow the Indian example. We can have 7,8 or 10 national languages, thereby satisfying the speakers of all regional languages.

The debate is about what we should do to protect Urdu! And I again say we should not do anything. Language is an evolutionary process. Since Urdu can assimilate words of all languages, it shows that Urdu in itself is nothing but a mixture of other languages (and that exactly is what [I]Urdu[/I] means). If it appeals to the masses, it will become lingua franca of the people in Pakistan. Else, it would assume a secondary role in our lives.

The very topic of this discussion implies that Urdu is under threat. If Urdu actually had all the qualities mentioned in the paras here, there would have been no need for such topic.

[QUOTE=Nauman;183966]I guess you have never been to the rural areas of Khyber Pakhtunkhaw and Balochistan. A very large number of people there cannot understand Urdu. So, correct yourself. Urdu is not a widely known language in pakistan.[/QUOTE]

Majority of the Pakistanis understand Urdu,thatwhy its our national language,,most of the people donot know how to speak or write English,but they are forced to do that even in Baluchistan &Kyber Pakhtoonkhwa;)..i have never visited these area,but i have met many students from Baluchistan,and khyber Pakhtoonkhwa;)...

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[right][size=4]اولاً تو میں اس جانب توجہ مبذول کرانا چاہوں گی کہ اردو زبان کے تحفظ اور فروغ پر سالانہ بیشتر سیمینار، کانفرنس اور ادبی و نیم ادبی قسم کی نشستیں منعقد ہوتی رہتی ہیں لیکن اگر ایسی تقریبات یا نشستوں میں کبھی کسی کو جانے کا اتفاق ہوا ہو تو یقیناً میری طرح یہ مشاہدہ کیا ہوگا کہ وہاں محض ذاتیات پر حملے کیے جاتے ہیں بجائے مقصدیت کو اولیت دینے کے۔[/size][/right]

[right][size=4]تو سب سے پہلے تو ایسی محفلوں یا تقریبات میں سنجیدہ لوگوں کی شمولیت درکار ہے جو واقعتاً اردو زبان کی ترقی و ترویج کے لیے ہمہ تن مصروف ہیں اور کام کرنا چاہتے ہیں۔[/size][/right]

[right][size=4]ثانیاً ، عین ممکن ہے کہ ہم میں سے بیشتر لوگوں کے پاس جذبہ تو ہو لیکن وقت کی قلت کے باعث ہم ایسی سرگرمیوں میں باقاعدگی کے ساتھ شرکت نہں کرسکتے۔ تو ایسے میں یہ کیا جاسکتا ہے کہ اردو کی ترویج کے لیے اپنی اپنی بساط کے مطابق حصہ داری کی جائے ، مثال کے طور پر جو لوگ انٹرنیٹ کا استعمال کرتے ہیں وہ لوگ اردو زبان میں ٹائپنگ سیکھ کر اردو زبان میں بلاگ لکھ سکتے ہیں۔ اب آپ سوچ رہے ہوں گے کہ بلاگ لکھنے سے کیا حاصل ہو گا؟ تو اس کی بھی وضاحت کرتی چلوں کہ انٹرنیٹ پر اردو زبان میں جتنا بھی مواد میسر ہے اُس میں سے زیادہ تر محض تفریحی حیثیت کا حامل ہے۔ [/size]
[size=4]اگر شاعری ہے دستیاب ہے تو اشعار کی صحت کا خیال نہیں رکھا جاتا، بیشتر شعرا کا کلام ان کے نام کے ساتھ بھی دستیاب نہیں۔ تھوڑا وسیع تناظر میں دیکھا جائے تو اردو زبان و ادب کا کوئی انسائکلو پیڈیا انٹرنیٹ پر دستیاب نہیں ہے۔ تعلیمی حیثیت کی کوئی ویب سائٹ دستیاب نہیں جس پر بھروسا کیا جاسکے۔ تو ایسے لوگ جو اردو ادب اور زبان پر مفید اور قابل توثیق مواد فراہم کرسکتے ہیں انھیں اس ضمن میں آگے آنا چاہیے۔ [/size][/right]

[right][b][size=4]* یاد رہے کہ میں نے بلاگ کی بات اس لیے کی ہے کہ یہ مفت دستایب ہیں ، زیادہ تر لوگ اسے شوق کے لیےلکھتے ہیں نا کہ پیسا کمانے کے لیےا۔ [/size][/b][/right]

[right][size=4]مواد کی اس قلت کی ایک بڑِی وجہ یہ ہے کہ لوگ اپنے شہر ، علاقے اور اپنی علاقائی زبان کے لیے تو کام کرنا چاہتے ہیں لیکن مجموعاً قومی زبان کے لیے کوئی پہلا قطرہ بننے کو تیار نہیں۔ تو اس قسم کی آپا دھاپی کا سدباب کیا جاسکے تو اردو زبان کی اہمیت کا اندازہ خودبخود ہوگا۔ [/size]
[size=4]مزید برآں کہ ہم میں سے بہت سے ایسے افراد ہیں جو اچھی انگریزی بول سکتے ہیں یا سمجھ سکتے ہیں۔ یہ ایک خوش آئند بات ہے کہ ہم تیسری دنیا کے غریب عوام انگریزوں کا کسی طور تو مقابلہ کررہے ہیں لیکن، ایسے لوگ بہت کم ہیں جو اچھی اردو بول اور سمجھ سکتے ہیں۔ ہم انگریزی کے حرف "ٹی" کو "تھی" تو بول سکتے ہیں لیکن اردو حرف "ق" کی آواز حلق سے نہیں نکال سکتے۔ اور بہت سے لوگ بابائے اردو "مولوی عبدالحق" کا نام "مولوی ابدل ہک "کی آواز میں بولتے ہیں اور میرے خیال میں یہ ایک بہت بڑی ناانصافی ہے۔[/size][/right]

[right][size=4]تو سب سے پہلے اپنے رویے اور زبان کی درستی ملحوظ خاطر رکھنا ہمارا فرض بنتا ہے۔ ہماری مجبوری بن چکی ہے کہ ہم [/size]
[size=4]\انگریزی زبان کےکچھ الفاظ استعمال کیے بنا اردو بھی نہیں بول سکتے۔ کہنے کا مقصد یہ ہے کہ جب ہم انگریزی میں اردو شامل نہیں کرتے تو اردو میں انگریزی کا استعمال کیوں؟[/size][/right]

[right][size=4]میں انگریزی زبان کو برا نہیں کہہ رہی بلکہ اپنی زبان کے استحصال کے تناظر میں بات کررہی ہوں کہ دوسری زبانوں کا استعمال کرنا بہت اچھی بات ہے لیکن دوسری زبانوں کو اپنی زبان پر فوقیت دینا یا دوسری زبانوں کے لیے اپنی زبان کو متروک کردینا اپنے اصل سے منہ موڑنے کے مترادف ہے۔[/size][/right]

[right][size=4]میڈیا کو اس ضمن میں اپنا کردار ادا کرنا چاہیے کیوں کہ میڈیا کے ذریعے ہمارے ننھے طلبا زبان، علم اور تہذیب سیکھتے ہیں۔ یہاں چوں کہ زبان کی بات ہورہی ہے اس لیے اگر میڈیا اردو زبان کی اہمیت، فروغ، ترقی اور ترویج کے حوالے سے پروگرام پیش کرے تو زبان کا بھلا بھی ہوجائے اور یہ زندہ بھی رہ جائے۔[/size][/right]


[right][size=4]جب بات اردو زبان کی آتی ہے تو اس میں ادب اور لسانیات دونوں کا ذکر ہونا ضروری ہے۔ بظاہر تو یہ دونوں الگ الگ زمرہ جات ہیں، ادب کو ہم لسانیات کا محتاج نہیں دیکھتے، نا ہی لسانیات، ادب کی باندی ہے۔ ہم میں سے بہت سے لوگ ادب تو پڑھتے ہیں لیکن زبان پر کبھی غور نہیں کرتے۔ ادب اور لسانیات کی تفصیل پر بات کرنا کسی اور وقت پر اٹھا رکھتے ہیں۔ [/size][/right]

[right][size=4]آخر میں یہ کہنا چاہوں گی کہ میں نے متعدد لوگوں کو اردو زبان پر بولتے ہوئے سنا ہے، لیکن بات موضوع چھڑنے سے لے کر تجاویز پر آکر رک جاتی ہے۔ میری دعا ہے کہ کہ یہاں اس بحث میں محض تجاویز تک بات نہ رہے بلکہ یہ موضوعِ بحث کے بجائے ایک تحریک بن جائے ۔ آمین[/size][/right]

[QUOTE=xena1806;184019][/QUOTE]
@xena1806
Good, Amazing thoughts and suggestions. I can guess that you know very much about Urdu and are aware of the difficulties which are being faced by Urdu. We want to take initiative to promote Urdu language, In this regard we will need your help in the field of Urdu linguistic and literature. I would also request Kawish and Maha Khan to cooperate in this regard.

[quote=javed_iqbal7863;184024]@xena1806
good, amazing thoughts and suggestions. I can guess that you know very much about urdu and are aware of the difficulties which are being faced by urdu. We want to take initiative to promote urdu language, in this regard we will need your help in the field of urdu linguistic and literature. I would also request kawish and maha khan to cooperate in this regard.[/quote]

[color=black][color=black][size=4][color=black]جی بالکل، میرے لیے یہ امر قابل فخر ہے کہ میں اپنی زبان کے کسی کام آسکوں۔ اس ضمن میں مجھ سے جو بَن پڑا مَیں انشا اللہ ضرور کروں گی کیوں کہ شوق اور پیشے کے اعتبار سے مَیں اردو زبان و ادب ہی سے تعلق رکھتی ہُوں ۔باقی لوگوں سے بھی درخواست ہے قومی زبان کے وقار کو پوری طرح سے واپس لاکر اپنی تہذیب و تمدن میں پورے قد سے کھڑے ہونے کا موقع حاصل کریں کیوں کہ[/color][/size]
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[size=4][color=black]شکوہ ء ظلمت شب سے تو کہیں بہتر تھا[/color][/size]
[size=4][color=black]اپنے حصے کی اک شمع جلاتے جاتے[/color][/size][/color][/color]

[QUOTE=Nauman;184009]
The debate is about what we should do to protect Urdu! And I again say we should not do anything.[/QUOTE]
Dear Sir! I'll again say, we have to do hard work to protect our national language. the nations who forget their culture, traditions and civilizations, history forgets them.
[QUOTE] Language is an evolutionary process. Since Urdu can assimilate words of all languages, it shows that Urdu in itself is nothing but a mixture of other languages (and that exactly is what [I]Urdu[/I] means). If it appeals to the masses, it will become lingua franca of the people in Pakistan. Else, it would assume a secondary role in our lives.[/QUOTE]
Dear!
all famous languages are under the influence of other languages, these language have adopted many words from the other languages. their native people pridefully are working to improve their languages day by day, then why should not we do some work for the development of our national language?

[QUOTE=javed_iqbal7863;184024] I would also request Kawish and Maha Khan to cooperate in this regard.[/QUOTE]

What can we do for the Promotion of Urdu language?except writing complaint letters in Newspapers;),how People can accept this change??we have no Platform..Though this task is not impossible,yet its a difficult one...You can see how many members are Participating in this discussion dear;)

[QUOTE=Maha Khan;184058]What can we do for the Promotion of Urdu language?except writing complaint letters in Newspapers;),how People can accept this change??we have no Platform..Though this task is not impossible,yet its a difficult one...You can see how many members are Participating in this discussion dear;)[/QUOTE]
"Good supervision is the art of getting average people to do superior work."
Dear!
Allah's help is with us. we have many platforms to promote Urdu. You can share Urdu novels, poetry, short stories and many more things with your friends and can make them aware of Urdu literature. you can share all these things through internet and through this forum.you can share this with your mother, sisters and brothers. you don't have need to write complaint letters in newspapers.
“Never let go of hope. One day you will see that it all has finally come together. What you have always wished for has finally come to be. You will look back and laugh at what has passed and you will ask yourself... 'How did I get through all of that?”

[QUOTE=javed_iqbal7863;184004]Dear Kawish!
Why are literate Pakistani not fond of reading and are fond of English literature? Is Urdu literature not good like as English Literature?
[/QUOTE]

aoa i wont agree that Urdu is less beautiful language as compared to any other language....then why it is not famous with the little educated section of our society, is a very tricky question.and why we are not fond of reading is still another confusing issue.to my mind i give the following reasons for this delimma:

a- our education system is job or money oriented rather knowledge oriented
b- family background does matter,and a highly qualified person belonging to an uneducated family would be less pron towards reading,lesser still reading for knowledge or inspiration(this is where they chose to read,if at all they do,for fashion,and english we know is the best symbol of fashion)

[QUOTE=javed_iqbal7863;184004]Dear! Your suggestions are highly appreciable. If the people like you are in our society then we can guess that there will be no dangerous situation, in future, for Urdu.
would you like to suggest us, how to act upon your suggestions? who will take initiative?
we are waiting for your precious suggestions.[/QUOTE]

thanks for your appriciation and encouragement.
everyone of us have to take initiative and yours is one of such in the right direction.anyhow we need more than words.
a- other such primitive steps can be e.g not discouraging people or children from speaking urdu.
b- by mixing words of english in urdu sentences e.g "Door band kar do" is another farm of haressment against Urdu.this practice should be given up.
c- rest of my suggestions has to do more with the authorities except promoting exchanges of gifts of urdu books.you can start it from your friends specially belonging to the section of society who is loathe to speking urdu.
d- parents should be concerned about their childres' teachers for urdu as they are about other subjects.
regards

[QUOTE=xena1806;184028][color=black][color=black][size=4][color=black]جی بالکل، میرے لیے یہ امر قابل فخر ہے کہ میں اپنی زبان کے کسی کام آسکوں۔ اس ضمن میں مجھ سے جو بَن پڑا مَیں انشا اللہ ضرور کروں گی کیوں کہ شوق اور پیشے کے اعتبار سے مَیں اردو زبان و ادب ہی سے تعلق رکھتی ہُوں ۔باقی لوگوں سے بھی درخواست ہے قومی زبان کے وقار کو پوری طرح سے واپس لاکر اپنی تہذیب و تمدن میں پورے قد سے کھڑے ہونے کا موقع حاصل کریں کیوں کہ[/color][/size]
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[size=4][color=black]شکوہ ء ظلمت شب سے تو کہیں بہتر تھا[/color][/size]
[size=4][color=black]اپنے حصے کی اک شمع جلاتے جاتے[/color][/size][/color][/color][/QUOTE]

Thank you for giving us good response.
can you give us some suggestion to promote Urdu.because, some of us,like Maha Khan, are feeling hesitation to take initiative.


[QUOTE=KAWISH;184082]

a- our education system is job or money oriented rather knowledge oriented
b- family background does matter,and a highly qualified person belonging to an uneducated family would be less pron towards reading,lesser still reading for knowledge or inspiration(this is where they chose to read,if at all they do,for fashion,and english we know is the best symbol of fashion)

everyone of us have to take initiative and yours is one of such in the right direction.anyhow we need more than words.
a- other such primitive steps can be e.g not discouraging people or children from speaking urdu.
b- by mixing words of english in urdu sentences e.g "Door band kar do" is another farm of haressment against Urdu.this practice should be given up.
c- rest of my suggestions has to do more with the authorities except promoting exchanges of gifts of urdu books.you can start it from your friends specially belonging to the section of society who is loathe to speking urdu.
d- parents should be concerned about their childres' teachers for urdu as they are about other subjects.
regards[/QUOTE]

Dear! are you going to take any solid step in this regard?

[QUOTE=javed_iqbal7863;184258]Thank you for giving us good response.
can you give us some suggestion to promote Urdu.because, some of us,like Maha Khan, are feeling hesitation to take initiative[/QUOTE]

Im not feeling hesitation dear...I will surely do someting in this regard..the problem is that we need a Platform..U said we should give Urdu books to our relatives..but i mentioned that our generation considered it a waste of time to read Urdu literature...we should use media, particularly electronic media should play its role...these days Hum tv is showing Drama Serials which are based on some Novels by Riffat SirajA and Umera Ahmad..similarly Tv channels can poplularize other Udru novel writers...Newspaper can publish different Short stories or Urdu Fiction in their sunday edition... these things required collective efforts...

[size="4"][right]بہت شکریہ جاوید صاحب کہ آپ نے اس بحث میں مجھے گردانا۔ اس ضمن میں یہ عرض کرتی چلوں کہ اپنے طور پر مَیں ایک پراجیکٹ پر کام کر رہی ہوں ، جس میں اردو زبان اور ادب پر کام ہورہا ہے۔ میں نے ایک بلاگ بھی لکھنا آغاز کیا تھا لیکن وقت کی قلت کے باعث مَیں اس پر کوئی خاطر خواہ کام نہیں کرسکتی۔ موخرالذکر پراجیکٹ کی بابت، میں ذاتی طور پر بہت سی ایسی شخصیات سے ملی جنھوں نے اس کام میں میری کچھ نہ کچھ مدد کرنے کا یقین دلایا ان میں اوریئینٹل کالج اور گورنمنٹ کالج یونیورسٹی لاہور، شعبہ اردو کے کے نگران ، پاکستان ٹیلی وژن نیٹ ورک کی سابقہ مینیجنگ ڈائریکٹر، ایک نجی ٹی وی چینل کے مینجنگ ڈائریکٹر اور مختلف شعبہ ہائے زنگی سے منسلک، بیرون ملک رہنے والے افراد بھی جوکہ اردو ادب پر کام کرنا چاہتے ہیں۔ ان سب کا فرداً فرداً ہمہ وقت مجھ سے رابطہ رہتا ہے۔
سب سے پہلے ہمیں اُن تمام افراد کو ایک پلیٹ فارم پر لانا ہوگا جو اردو کے تحفظ کے لیے کام کرنے کے خواہشمند ہیں۔
یہاں ایک بات وضاحت کرتی چلوں کہ ہمارا مقصد اپنی زبان کا تحفظ اور فروغ ہے ، کسی دوسری زبان کو نشانہ بنانا ہرگز نہیں۔

میں بطور لسانی ماہر ، بسا اوقات یہ محسوس کرتی ہوں کہ لوگوں کی لسانیات سے زیادہ ادب میں دلچسپی ہے یہاں تک کہ نصاب میں پڑھائی جانے والی گرامر ، صرف و نحو رموز و اوقاف سے آج کی نسل کا دور دور تک کوئی واسطہ نہیں۔
میں اُن اساتذہ سے التماس کرنا چاہتی ہوں جو اردو پڑھارہے ہیں کہ وہ طلبا و طالبات کی گرامر اور املا پر ہونے والی جدید تحقیق سے متعلق آگاہ کرتے رہیں۔ بچوں کا املا اس حد تک خراب ہے کہ وہ آج بھی بہت سے متروک الفاظ اپنی زبان اور تحریر میں استعمال کرتے ہیں
کہنے کا مقصد یہ ہرگز نہیں کہ ہمارے اساتذہ قابل نہیں بلکہ میں یہ کہنا چاہتی ہوں کہ زبان و ادب کو بہت مشکل اور خشک بنادیا گیا ہے جس کی ایک وجہ یہ بھی ہے نصاب مرتب کرتے وقت طلبا کی دلچسپیوں اور ضروریات کا خیال نہیں رکھا جاتا۔
ان کے علاوہ بیشتر عناصر ہیں جن کی وجہ سے اردو زبان و ادب میں دلچسپی مفقود ہوکر رہ گئی ہے۔ انشااللہ میں کوشش کروں گی کہ بہت سے باصلاحیت لوگوں کے اس فورم میں شرکت کرتی رہوں۔
اگلی بار اور جلد ہی مَیں کچھ تجاویز لے کر حاضر ہوں گی۔
اللہ ہم سب کا حامی و ناصر ہو[/right][/size]

[QUOTE=javed_iqbal7863;184258]
Dear! are you going to take any solid step in this regard?[/QUOTE]

aoa certainly i will inshallah.and these solid steps'll be in line with my own suggestions.
regards

اردو زبان کے تحفظ و فروغ کے بارے میں کچھ تجا&a
 

[size="4"][right]السلام علیکم

وعدے کے مطابق میں کچھ تجاویز لے کر حاضر ہوں۔ اس بارے میں آپ سب کی توجہ درکار ہے۔

میری عقل کے مطابق، سب سے پہلے انٹرنیٹ پر مستند اردو مواد فراہم کرنے کی ذمہ داری سنبھالی جائے۔

اگر آپ میں سے چند افراد تھوڑا سا وقت نکال کر اردو ٹائپنگ سیکھ لیں تو سونے پہ سہاگہ ہوجائے کیوں کہ میرا مشاہدہ ہے کہ اس فورم پر بہت سا مستند مواد دستیاب ہے لیکن کوئی خاطر خواہ بندوبست کے ساتھ نہیں۔ کہنے سے مراد یہ ہے کہ اردو کے لیے ایک الگ صفحہ یا ایک ذیلی فورم ترتیب دِیا جائے۔ جس میں اردو دانوں سے درخواست ہے کہ وہ اپنی اپنی بساط کے مطابق حصہ داری کریں۔

کچھ ادبی محافل کا انعقاد کِیا جائے جس میں نوواردانِ ادب کو مدعو کیِا جائے یہ محافل آن لائن بھی ہوسکتی ہیں ۔


میں نے اپنے تحقیقی مقالے کے دوران لاہور کی کم و بیش ہر لائیبریری دیکھی یہاں تک کہ کچھ نایاب کتب کی تلاش میں ان لائبریریوں کے سٹور بھی چھان مارے مگر بے سود۔ مایوس ہوکر مَیں نے اپنا موضوع بدل لیا جو کہ اردو تحقیق کے ضمن میں ایک ناگوار بات ہے۔ میں اردو لسانیات پر کام کرنا چاہتی تھی لیکن لائبریریوں میں کوئی خاطر خواہ مواد نہ ہونے کے باعث مجھے ادب پر تحقیقی مقالہ لکھنا پڑا۔

اگر اردو ادب کے موجودہ اور حیات اکابرین سے درخواست کرکے ان کی ذاتی لائبریریوں میں پڑی بے تحاشا نایاب کتب کو انٹرنیٹ پر فراہم کر دِیا جائے تو میرے جیسے بہت سے طلبہ کا بھلا ہوجائے۔


میڈیا سے کچھ لوگ شامل کیے جاسکتے ہیں۔ جو اردو زبان وادب پر کام کرنا چاہتے ہیں۔
مختلف شعبہ ہائے زندگی سے تعلق رکھنے والے ایسے افراد جو اردو زبان و ادب میں دلچسپی رکھتے ہیں ، کو اِس کام میں شمولیت دعوت دی جاسکتی ہے۔

اردو زبان و ادب کی تاریخ کے روشن اور دلچسپ ابواب یا واقعات کا ایک دوسرے سے تبادلہ کرنا بھی ایک مفید اقدام ہے۔

اگر اس ضمن میں میرے لائق کوئی بھی خدمت درکار ہے تو مَیں حاضر ہوں بلکہ میں تو پہلے سے ان سب پر ذاتی طور پر کام کررہی ہوں تاہم اپنے محدود علم اور مخدوش تجربے کی بنیاد پر ادب کی دنیا میں کسی قسم کا کوئی دعویٰ نہیں کرتی۔اگر آپ میں سے کسی کو میری ہم مقصد جماعت میں شمولیت اختیار کرنا ہے تو ذاتی طور پر مجھ سے رابطہ کرسکتے ہیں۔
اللہ ہم سب کو ایمان کی بہترین حالت میں رکھے
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