Tuesday, May 14, 2024
09:57 PM (GMT +5)

Go Back   CSS Forums > General > Discussion

Discussion Discuss current affairs and issues helpful in CSS only.

Reply Share Thread: Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook     Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter     Submit Thread to Google+ Google+    
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old Monday, August 02, 2010
Maroof Hussain Chishty's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Aaqa k qadmon ki khaak mein
Posts: 676
Thanks: 1,400
Thanked 528 Times in 305 Posts
Maroof Hussain Chishty is a jewel in the roughMaroof Hussain Chishty is a jewel in the roughMaroof Hussain Chishty is a jewel in the roughMaroof Hussain Chishty is a jewel in the rough
Arrow

Why India is a stable democracy and Pakistan is not? what are the main problems in Pakistan to be a stable democratic country ? what are the circumstances????

1. I think the biggest factor in the stability of Indian democracy was the training that Congress party specifically and the Hindus got during the independent struggle – right from the formation of COngress under Dadabhai Naoroji. That training was ingrained in Congress psyche – however inept its brains may have been. That is why the Indian Constitution was a work of great zeal and care. The writers studied many the US and UK democracy and many constitutions to come up with it.

2. The first thing that the Government did was to eliminate the kingdoms and kings and the feudal system. That was to be the cornerstone of Indian democratic journey.

3. Democracy HAS to go hand in hand with Diversity and Secularism. That is a sine qua non of a good democratic system. For at the very heart of democracy is the space that every one has to air his/her views.. and also the acceptance of others to respect them. Only in such a system can one government which loses can hand over the reins to another *peacefully*. Pakistan’s creation was based on a theocratic idea which in many ways collided with the acceptance of another viewpoint to represent the majority. In such a scenario, there is inherent statement of exclusivity.. which collides with democratic freedom. Jinnah did call for a “secular” nation in his first speech – but that was meaningless in light of what had happened in the months before the creation of the two states. If he wanted a secular country then why the fight for a separate nation? Clearly, the genie was out of the box and he and LA Khan became the first victims of their own passion.

4. India, when it received help from the West in its early days did not go for money or grants or things like imported cars. It went to Germany, Russia, England, and US to establish the 4 IITs. It went to US to give us the seeds and technology to start the Green Revolution. It went to the US for establishing various institutions of research and technology. It was frustrating in the first 50 years. When the graduates of these places went out of the country and created wealth that India never benefited from. But in the end, it all worked out fine. Today, Indian-Americans are one of the biggest donor community in the Presidential elections. Recently Sant Singh Chatwal has pledged $10 million of fund raising for Obama. Do you think he will not influence any of Obama’s policies when he comes to office? And obviously, Chatwal is not going to pay this money out of his pocket. He will tap the wealthy Indians who are his friends.. who formed companies in IT or were entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley and made their millions. Its sad that the Government of today’s India cannot think that high and far. For all the mess that Nehru created, we Indians cannot thank him enough for such foresight. 5. Contrary to popular belief, India’s IT “miracle” has very little to do with the Indian Government. In fact the reason why it happened was because no body in the Indian Government even understood it.. and did not bother. You know that Narayana Murthy – Infosys’ Chairman – and his friends had to wait for one year to get a PC imported? And almost as much to get a phone conenction? That was the odds they fought against – because they did not give any bribes. IT revolution of India is truly a people’s revolution. It is middle class’ answer to the mess in educational system that prevailed at the time. Sorry for such a long comment.. but hope it adds some interesting perspective to this discussion.



__________________
Be shak, Main tery liye he jeeta hoon or tery liye he marta hoon.....!(Baba Fareed)
____________Punjab Police Zindabaad____________

Last edited by Silent.Volcano; Monday, August 02, 2010 at 05:22 PM. Reason: merged
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old Monday, August 02, 2010
Riaz Ahmed Alizai's Avatar
40th CTP (IRS)
Medal of Appreciation: Awarded to appreciate member's contribution on forum. (Academic and professional achievements do not make you eligible for this medal) - Issue reason: CSP Medal: Awarded to those Members of the forum who are serving CSP Officers - Issue reason: CE 2011 - Merit 313
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Quetta
Posts: 391
Thanks: 692
Thanked 259 Times in 162 Posts
Riaz Ahmed Alizai has a spectacular aura aboutRiaz Ahmed Alizai has a spectacular aura about
Default Wash AAthke

You have objectively analysed the real differences dear,which is noteworthy.let me amount to it my personal opinion.After the fall of muslim dynasty and its transposition with the british rule,hindus were given a special priority in all walks of life including governmental affairs.They were raised to higher ranks politically and socially.After framing lageslative council act in 1861 indian political evolution did start.Congress with its ultimate goal of reshaping its populace's life was established in 1885.It shows the big difference between their political vision and our political organization which dramatically erected on 1906.Indian national congrees availed the opportunities extended through lageslative council act of 1892.That contributed in its political training by capabling them to understand the democratic tenets.Morever,congress became able to rule in 8 provinces,which broadened its adminsterative experience and enlarged its approach as regards democratic practices.
Truely,indian democracy weeded feudals and big guns out from democratic mainstream in order to get refined mechanism.On the contrary we have been victimized by personal idealism and hate.Our politicians exluding mr.Jinnah and its few courtiers who were devoted and clinged their implicit faith with the cause before and after independance,rest of other remnants proved nothing beyond self seeking political parasites and divisive agitators. At all steps our nation was compelled to follow feudalists,sardars,chiefs,waderas,chaudaries and maliks.Besides pakistan has faced harsh dictatorships who have had all the loaves and fishes for the sake of their own vested interests.
Millitary and civil bureaucracy on the other hand remained hand in glove with those exploiters.
In all its exceptions,we can say without being contradicted that from the first day we as leaders and national participants could not wend our ways according to the recognized standards of international ethics.We did not find any true leader among ourselves who could serve the country with disinterested approach,nation wide interests and politically alert vision.
__________________
" O ALLAH,let your blessings come upon Muhammad PBUH and the family of Muhammad PBUH, as you have blessed Ibrahim AS and his family.
Truly,you are praiseworthy and glorious.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old Monday, August 02, 2010
hafiz ishtiaq ahmad's Avatar
Senior Member
Medal of Appreciation: Awarded to appreciate member's contribution on forum. (Academic and professional achievements do not make you eligible for this medal) - Issue reason:
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: kot radha kishen,kasur
Posts: 528
Thanks: 922
Thanked 584 Times in 324 Posts
hafiz ishtiaq ahmad is just really nicehafiz ishtiaq ahmad is just really nicehafiz ishtiaq ahmad is just really nicehafiz ishtiaq ahmad is just really nicehafiz ishtiaq ahmad is just really nice
Default pak vs india in democracy

according to my point of view
1- indian army never control whole india. indian army is weak in mangment.
2- india has no any other option beside democracy
3- pakistan is always under interference of many popular world countries.
4- pakistani interference on world matters is much comparison to india.
5- historically the people of pakistani area want to change within short period.
6- for india only one way secular democracy but pakistan is in transition , islamic, social.labiral, secolar etc
7- pakistan geography is not suitable for democracy
8- hereditry political system is the rock for democracy in pakistan.
__________________
The world suffers a lot, not because of the violence of bad people, but because of the silence of good people.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Pak-Affairs Notes Predator Pakistan Affairs 68 Friday, December 23, 2022 07:27 PM
development of pakistan press since 1947 Janeeta Journalism & Mass Communication 15 Tuesday, May 05, 2020 03:04 AM
Pakistan's History From 1947-till present Sumairs Pakistan Affairs 13 Sunday, October 27, 2019 02:55 PM
Americas leaning heavivly towards India Imtiaz Gondal Current Affairs 4 Monday, August 05, 2019 07:33 PM
indo-pak relations atifch Current Affairs 0 Monday, December 11, 2006 09:01 PM


CSS Forum on Facebook Follow CSS Forum on Twitter

Disclaimer: All messages made available as part of this discussion group (including any bulletin boards and chat rooms) and any opinions, advice, statements or other information contained in any messages posted or transmitted by any third party are the responsibility of the author of that message and not of CSSForum.com.pk (unless CSSForum.com.pk is specifically identified as the author of the message). The fact that a particular message is posted on or transmitted using this web site does not mean that CSSForum has endorsed that message in any way or verified the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message. We encourage visitors to the forum to report any objectionable message in site feedback. This forum is not monitored 24/7.

Sponsors: ArgusVision   vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.