Wiki-leaks strike again!

[game on]

YES, once more, whistle-blowers have stormed many capitals of the world.
And this time with more eye-openers and eye-brow raisers.

what do you think, would these revelations be able to make any impact on the relationships of nation-states?
would these mind-boggling unearthing of secret documents be going to dent relationship among nation-states?
have ur say plz.

[redmax]

Originally Posted by game on

YES, once more, whistle-blowers have stormed many capitals of the world.
And this time with more eye-openers and eye-brow raisers.

what do you think, would these revelations be able to make any impact on the relationships of nation-states?
would these mind-boggling unearthing of secret documents be going to dent relationship among nation-states?
have ur say plz.

Definitely. If you read headlines in today's DAWN, you would get a plain answer. It stated:

U.S Trying to remove enriched Pak Uranium.

U.S of course would deny this allegation but we know that she has denied many things in past too which has over the time been proved true.

[imran bakht]

Saudi King Abdullah called President Asif Ali Zardari the greatest obstacle to Pakistan’s progress, according to an online report of New York Times that quoted Wikileaks as saying.

The report further quoted King Abdullah as saying: “When the head is rotten, it affects the whole body.”

The cables released by Wikileaks, the whistle-blower, disclose that aging monarch of Saudi Arabia, King Abdullah, as speaking scathingly about the leaders of Iraq and Pakistan.

Speaking to another Iraqi official about Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, the Iraqi prime minister, King Abdullah said, “You and Iraq are in my heart, but that man is not.” The king called President Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan the greatest obstacle to that country’s progress. “When the head is rotten,” he said, “it affects the whole body.”

AFP quoting US documents leaked by WikiLeaks and published by Britain's Guardian newspaper, said King Abdullah urged the United States to attack Iran to destroy its nuclear programme.

Leaked memos from US embassies across the Middle East recorded the king's "frequent exhortations to the US to attack Iran and so put an end to its nuclear weapons program."

The memo showed that the king told the United States to "cut off the head of the snake," and said that working with Washington to roll back Iranian influence in Iraq was "a strategic priority for the king and his government."

source: http://www.geo.tv/11-29-2010/75020.htm

WASHINGTON: US intelligence believes Iran has obtained advanced missiles from North Korea capable of striking Europe, according to US documents leaked by WikiLeaks and cited by the New York Times on Sunday.

The newspaper, in a diplomatic cable dated February 24, said "secret American intelligence assessments have concluded that Iran has obtained a cache of advanced missiles, based on a Russian design." Iran obtained 19 of the North Korean missiles, an improved version of Russia's R-27, from North Korea, the cable said, and was "taking pains to master the technology in an attempt to build a new generation of missiles."

"The North Korean version of the advanced missile, known as the BM-25, could carry a nuclear warhead," said the newspaper, adding it had a range of up to 2,000 miles (more than 3,000 kilometres). "If fired from Iran, that range, in theory, would let its warheads reach targets as far away as Western Europe, including Berlin. If fired northwestward, the warheads could reach Moscow," it said, referring to other dispatches.

"The cables say that Iran not only obtained the BM-25, but also saw the advanced technology as a way to learn how to design and build a new class of more powerful engines," said the Times.

source: http://www.geo.tv/11-29-2010/75024.htm

[dr.alam39@yahoo.com]

The New York Times, which along with Britain's Guardian newspaper and other European media, was given advance access to more than 250,000 diplomatic cables obtained by WikiLeaks, reported on its website Sunday that since 2007, the U.S. has been trying to persuade Pakistan to hand over highly enriched uranium for safekeeping. American officials made the request out of fear that the uranium from a research reactor might be diverted for use in an illicit nuclear device.

And in a chilling Feb. 24 State Department cable on WikiLeaks' website, a Russian Foreign Ministry official laid out concerns about the safety and fate of Pakistani nuclear facility workers ambushed by Islamic militants in the last few years.

"Some were killed, and a number were abducted, and there has been no trace seen of them," the cable reported Russian official Yuriy Korolev as saying during a December 2009 meeting of U.S. and Russian diplomats and security officials in Washington.

The cable also expressed concerns that some Pakistani nuclear workers may share extremist religious beliefs similar to those held by Islamic militant groups and could be susceptible to recruitment.

According to the cable, Korolev acknowledged that the U.S. and Pakistan together have established reliable layers of physical protection and security at the country's nuclear and missile sites. But, he added, "there are 120,000 to 130,000 people directly involved in Pakistan's nuclear and missile programs, working in these facilities and protecting them.... Regardless of the clearance process for these people, there is no way to guarantee that all are 100% loyal and reliable."

Pakistani Foreign Ministry spokesman Abdul Basit on Monday condemned the release of the cables as an "irresponsible disclosure of sensitive official documents." He said that his government was still poring over them but that it was "not in the position to comment on the veracity of U.S. internal documents."

Basit said the "U.S. suggestion [in 2007] to have the fuel transferred was plainly refused by Pakistan." He added that the research reactor was not producing highly enriched uranium, contradicting the claim in the classified cable.

Pakistan successfully tested its first nuclear bomb in May 1998, a few weeks after archrival India carried out its second test of a nuclear device. The exact size of Islamabad's nuclear stockpile has not been made public, but a Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists report issued this year estimated that Pakistan has between 70 and 90 nuclear weapons. The scientist regarded as the father of the country's nuclear weapons program, A.Q. Khan, allegedly relayed nuclear weapons technology to states such as North Korea and Iran.

Pakistan has repeatedly dismissed U.S. concerns about the potential acquisition of nuclear materials by Al Qaeda, based in Pakistan's northwest tribal region, or other allied militant groups. Experts say there is no evidence that any Islamic extremist organization has ever obtained nuclear material from Pakistani facilities, and many here believe the U.S. ultimately wants to defang the country by seizing its nuclear arsenal.

"Pakistan's nuclear program is very well governed," said Tariq Fatemi, a former Pakistani ambassador to the United States. "We have trained personnel and there has never been any leakage or any incident.... So I don't believe that this concern by the U.S. is a genuine concern."

The revelation that the U.S. had sought to persuade Pakistan to give over its nuclear fuel for safekeeping is likely to worsen anti-American sentiment in a country already highly suspicious of Washington's intentions in the region, said Zafar Hilaly, also a former Pakistani ambassador to the U.S.

The Obama administration has been trying to improve Pakistani public perception of the U.S. through billions of dollars in economic aid and reconstruction programs following catastrophic floods in the summer. The latest WikiLeaks disclosures, however, "will confirm Pakistanis' worst fears," Hilaly said. "There's very little sympathy within the Pakistani public for Americans to begin with, so this will only aggravate those feelings."

[Abdul Hadi]

Wikileaks has unleashed the diplomatic documents of US. And those documents contain private discussions not the public. So You can easily analyze the difference of opinion of world leaders in private and public.


Wikileaks define the removal of enriched uranium from a research reactor in pakistan as an unsuccessful attempt of Americans. What that means? They might be unsuccessful because of strong security system pakistan had in that reactor. Above all I am very happy to listen that US was failed in a secret operation against our Nuclear assets.

Second below in our part of the world by wikileaks is that Iran is being encircled again over Nuclear aspiration with War tactics.

Think that wikileaks are positive for Israel. isn't it Zionist regime propaganda?

Our country's president Zardari is always criticized on every forum in this whole world. Wikileaks are not new to criticism on Zardari. If that criticism of Saudi King is analyzed in International terms, It has strong value.

[sumia]

i think it would change nothing at all...everyone is already sure of things that wiki-leaks has released...the difference is only this ..they have presented it with proof...only the proof takes attention not the news itself...everyone knows the aid donors are reluctant to donate cos of our corrupt government...everyone knows aid goes to the pockets of rich,influential,corrupt of our land while the poor and the starved live in their awful reality....everyone knows Americans are killers...wiki leak only told that their were actually few thousand more deaths than we were told...still...its good in a world as this ...that somebody tries to present truth....but the world wont change in any way...

[axsim]

Originally Posted by sumia

i think it would change nothing at all...everyone is already sure of things that wiki-leaks has released...the difference is only this ..they have presented it with proof...only the proof takes attention not the news itself...everyone knows the aid donors are reluctant to donate cos of our corrupt government...everyone knows aid goes to the pockets of rich,influential,corrupt of our land while the poor and the starved live in their awful reality....everyone knows Americans are killers...wiki leak only told that their were actually few thousand more deaths than we were told...still...its good in a world as this ...that somebody tries to present truth....but the world wont change in any way...

agreed....

[Mao Zedong]

No comments on WikiLeaks documents: UN

The United Nations said it is not in a position to comment on the authenticity of the document disclosed by the whistle-blowing website WikiLeaks on information-gathering activities on UN officials and activities.


"The UN is by its very nature a transparent organization that makes a great deal of information about its activities available to the public and Member States. UN officials regularly meet representatives of Member States to brief them on UN activities," Farhan Haq, spokesperson for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, told reporters in New York.

The documents allege that senior United States officials encouraged US diplomats to collect information on UN officials and their activities.

Haq said that the UN "relies on the adherence by Member States" to the various undertakings contained in the UN Charter, the Headquarters Agreement and the 1946 Convention on the Privileges and Immunities of the UN.

He added that the Secretary-General was informed by the US Ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice, about the documents before they became public.

[evez]

International concerns over the security of Pakistan's nuclear materials are not new, nor is Pakistan the only country to attract such concerns.

But the stark language used in these confidential diplomatic cables gives us the clearest picture yet of what Western governments really fear - al-Qaeda or fellow jihadist militants getting their hands on enough nuclear material from Pakistan to build a crude nuclear device.

[evez]

Islamabad has consistently denied that it has allowed US special forces permission to operate within Pakistan

The controversial whistle-blowing site Wikileaks has released numerous documents which relate to Pakistan among the cache of thousands of secret messages sent by US diplomatic staff.

While the main concern among US and UK diplomats is that Pakistan's nuclear material could fall into the hands of terrorists, a wide range of other sensitive issues also come under analysis.

Below are some of the key issues relating to Pakistan.

1:US special forces operating in Pakistan

The leaked correspondence says that small teams of US special forces have been operating secretly inside Pakistan's tribal areas, with Pakistani government approval. It says that in October 2009 the Pakistani military covertly allowed a handful of US special operations soldiers to deploy with Pakistani troops in North and South Waziristan. Although they were forbidden to conduct combat missions they were there to provide "intelligence, surveillance and recon support" co-ordinating drone strikes and helping the military hunt down militants. BBC correspondents say that similar reports have been around before but Pakistan has consistently denied there are any US "boots on the ground".

2:'Informal coup'

In early 2009 General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, chief of the army, discussed with the Americans the possibility of "persuading" President Asif Ali Zardari to resign - replacing him with Awami National Party leader Asfandyar Wali Khan. Gen Kayani said that he would keep Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani in place.

3:Pakistani army's 'support for militant groups'

The former US ambassador to Pakistan, Anne Patterson, warned that no amount of US aid would change the Pakistan army's covert support for four major militant groups:

* The Afghan Taliban
* The Haqqani network, a Taliban group based in Pakistan but mostly believed to operate in Afghanistan
* The Afghan militant group led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar
* The Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group, accused by India of carrying out the November 2008 attacks in Mumbai (Bombay)

The documents state that "extremism is no longer restricted to the border area" and that fighters were increasingly being recruited from Punjab province, where "poverty, illiteracy and despair create a breeding ground for extremism". They state that "the phenomenon is spreading into northern Sindh as well".

4:'Extra-judicial killings'

The US believed that Pakistani troops were responsible for a series of extra-judicial killings in the Swat Valley and adjoining tribal belt, but decided not to comment publicly on the issue. However, the US subsequently cut funding to some army units.

5: President Zardari 'prepared for assassination'

The president told Ms Patterson he had made provision in case of his assassination, saying his sister, Faryal Talpur, would be named president. He also said he had requested that the United Arab Emirates government take in his family in event of his death. Mr Zardari's murdered wife - former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto - lived in self-imposed exile in the UAE for years before her ill-fated return to Pakistan in 2007. Mr Zardari is also quoted as saying that he feared a fresh army coup. He was reported in 2009 to have told British Prime Minister Gordon Brown that he feared Gen Kayani might "take me out".

6:Misuse of aid

US diplomats allege in the leaked documents that hundreds of millions of dollars of US aid earmarked for fighting militants has been diverted to government coffers. The cable acknowledges that the US and Pakistan is in a "co-dependent relationship".

7:American views on President Zardari


While far from perfect, the documents state, President Zardari is "pro-American and anti-extremist; we believe he is our best ally in the government". They add that it is clear that "Zardari runs the show, and [Prime Minister] Gilani "has at times chafed at public acknowledgment of this fact". However, "reports of Zardari-Gilani tensions are exaggerated; Gilani knows his place and will tow Zardari's line".

8: Failed state?

"Although we do not believe Pakistan is a failed state", the documents state, "we nonetheless recognize that the challenges it confronts are dire... The government is losing more and more territory every day to foreign and domestic militant groups; deteriorating law and order in turn is undermining economic recovery. The bureaucracy is settling into third-world mediocrity, as demonstrated by some corruption and a limited capacity to implement or articulate policy".

9: Internally displaced people

In 2008 the US military asked US embassies in Kabul and Islamabad to provide information on camps housing Afghan refugees or civilians displaced by fighting with the Taliban. They wanted camp names, locations, status, the number of displaced and an ethnic breakdown. The reasons why this information was required are unknown.

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