[QUOTE=Khurshid.A.Mahsud;279449]Qomi Izzat, Ghairat, Sovereignty...just get a life Duffer Gillani jee.These things are meant for nations not for populations like us. With all our Ghouries and Ghaznavies and Hatafs and so called steel-frame ( bureaucracy) and army and 180 million people and moderators and supermoderators and administrators and tv channels and Hamid Mirs and Zaid Hamids, WE ARE A SPINELESS NATION.

And Mr Davis please do visit us again on your hunting tour.You come, you shoot, you just "paisa phaink" and then enjoy the "tamasha daikh".[/QUOTE]
You words are heart touching. Actually, we as a nation sell our pakistanis for dollars. and its peak of shame, that sir raymond is free. I am ashamed being pakistani, that we coudn't give justice to the widow of the murdered pakistani. who appealed at the death bed before expiry for Blood against blood.

@ Invincible..

when you have zero power to fight then you find excuses.Good..go on.but American drone attacks are not acceptable even if they hit terrorists..

[QUOTE=Gulrukh;279505]@ Invincible..

when you have zero power to fight then you find excuses.Good..go on.but American drone attacks are not acceptable even if they hit terrorists..[/QUOTE]

[B]I am not advocating drone attacks at all.

We have two options.

1. To allow drones with an efficient risk management to avoid loss of innocent lives.

2. To break Strategic ties with USA on war on terror and face the music.

Choice is yours'.[/B]

[QUOTE=Invincible;279508][B]I am not advocating drone attacks at all.

We have two options.

1. To allow drones with an efficient risk management to avoid loss of innocent lives.

2. To break Strategic ties with USA on war on terror and face the music.

Choice is yours'.[/B][/QUOTE]

It's called between a rock and a hard place...or that ghisi pitti phrase b/w devil n the deep blue sea.
challenging options for Paki's../...:pipe.../

[QUOTE=Invincible;279508][B]I am not advocating drone attacks at all.

We have two options.

1. To allow drones with an efficient risk management to avoid loss of innocent lives.

2. To break Strategic ties with USA on war on terror and face the music.

Choice is yours'.[/B][/QUOTE]

sir,

i disagree with this approach.we have a lot of options to stop these drone attacks.it is just that we are not playong our cards wisely.what we fail to understand is that dependency between U.S and PAK is a two way phenomenon.america also needs us badly.it is just that the will by army and govt is not there.infact they have their cinsent in all this

for example

when america killed some of our security officials two three months back.we stopped their supplies.we played our card wisely and got the desired result without having to face the music.in short we have will there

we have a lot lot of cards for stopping this and i dont think relations in international world are confined to do or die sort of system.having said that we are also aware of the phone call from bush to musharaf before 9/11 attacks.


lastly had it not been waziristan but karachi(being droned) what would have been our response?it is just that the general thinking is that people of fata are less PAKISTANIZ and rest are more

[QUOTE=mjkhan;279521]sir,



for example

when america killed some of our security officials two three months back.we stopped their supplies.we played our card wisely and got the desired result without having to face the music.in short we have will there
[/QUOTE]

[B]Can we stop supply for good?

What are other options except this?
[/B]

And what about the strategy that USA gives the drone technology to Pakistan? so we can better manage surgical strikes. And it should cooperate with us, otherwise we have NATO supply line in our hand to teach them lesson. I am not agreed to give them free hand to "paisa phaink" and "tamasha daikh"

[QUOTE=Invincible;279523][B]Can we stop supply for good?

What are other options except this?
[/B][/QUOTE]


yes,why not.if we have the option of stopping the supply for achieving our target we should do that.history also supports this move

other option is to stop cooperation in war against terrorism.(without PAKISTANZ assisstance war cannot be won in afghanistan and even the americans are aware of this fact)

it would not be a wise option on part of america to make us their enemy.we can increase their problems in afghanistan

PAK can give a hint of strenghtening its ties with iran.we can give hints of gas pipeline with iran.america would be really worried with this.

plus loosing a partner in south asia itself is enough to stop them from droning us.

thts wt m sayin,be realistic..agar unhain paisay hi chahiay hotay to aik ki wife suicide nhi karti ..b logical.

[QUOTE=drvalentino;279543]thts wt m sayin,be realistic..agar unhain paisay hi chahiay hotay to aik ki wife suicide nhi karti ..b logical.[/QUOTE]
[B]Ur rite.
i doubt that they have taken it. Cz nobody from the family so far have confirmed it. In minutes of time Court found 18 relatives who signed Diyyat. Amazing, i wonder it can happen in pakistan where Diyyat case minimum takes 15 days PAISHEE but for VVIP Raymond Davis, it took Add. Session Judge seconds of time to make judgement and then the car was flown to Airport in fierce speed jamming all Signals just to show Raymond how we respect your visit in Pakistan.

Tha families of Victims may have not been paid for sure. They have been threatened and forcefully sent underground untill the temp of the issue falls.....[/B]
[COLOR="Blue"][B]C the Gratitude Drone Attack by USA, 41 people got killed in a Jarga in N.W Datta Khel.....[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR="SeaGreen"][B]Are we Humans???????? I doubt on this cz possibility of being pakistanis is far remote...
[/B][/COLOR]
Regards

[QUOTE=drvalentino;279543]thts wt m sayin,be realistic..agar unhain paisay hi chahiay hotay to aik ki wife suicide nhi karti ..b logical.[/QUOTE]

According to Express newspaper"faizan ki baiwa ne is lie suicide commit ki kyun k usko lgta tha k us k in laws paise le lain ge"...:mad:
Aaj ka newspaper dekh lain,neighbours ne kha hai k 8 days se ghar walun ki activities ajeeb si thein,kisi se baat tk nhi ker rhe the and luggage shift ker rhe the...ye kaisa pressure hai?jub wife k sucide kerne p aik bhai ka statement aya"Insaaf na mila to hum sub suicide ker lain ge"..ab wohi bhai 75 lakh and America ka visa le k chup ho gya....agr ziada pressure tha to atleast wohi bhai sucide commit kerne ki try ker laita..but aise bikta na.be logical.
Regards

It is now confirmed that the date-eating Saudis have once again interfered in our domestic affairs to help the Americans. It is so sickening to find we have so many masters! Lakab daikho " Khadim al Harmain Shareefain" aur kaaam daikho in Saudis kay!

[QUOTE=Khurshid.A.Mahsud;279560]It is now confirmed that the date-eating Saudis have once again interfered in our domestic affairs to help the Americans. It is so sickening to find we have so many masters! Lakab daikho " Khadim al Harmain Shareefain" aur kaaam daikho in Saudis kay![/QUOTE]
You are absolutely right brother.
They helped & supported Americans on the issue of Raymond Davis.

Saudis are playing the game of divide & rule.


Muslim Unity Zindabaad
Pakistan Zindabaad

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=purple]America could have done anything and gone beyond any limits to get her Agent back. We must accept this bitter reality (though with shame) that we are not in the position to bristle up against the US. The matter was of grave nature, and the heirs of the slain people had to take witche's brew in every state. Kamran has rightly pointed out that Our Foreign Office did not solidify his immunity, as all of us were expecting. This is positive. They even did not hand him over to US openly, another positive. Rishzzz has also rightly criticised HONOURABLE CHIEF JUSTICE OF PAKISTAN, INSAAF KA DEVTA in Pakistan. Why did he not plunged into it? We could have suspended the supply lines or utilized other possible options to stop the US from pressurizing Pakistan, but its long term repercaussions might have been unfavourable for pakistan. They have got the quality to bow down when they have their interest and then come up with a destructive force when their ends are acheived. It is good that the issued has been resolved now amicably.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=purple]Mr.Kiyani has shown concern over the recent drone attack. He should take it now very seriously.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[QUOTE=Khurshid.A.Mahsud;279560]It is now confirmed that the date-eating Saudis have once again interfered in our domestic affairs to help the Americans. It is so sickening to find we have so many masters! Lakab daikho " Khadim al Harmain Shareefain" aur kaaam daikho in Saudis kay![/QUOTE]

harmain ka to pata nahi per jis tarha woh "shareefain" ka saath dety aur khidmat kerty hain woh sab ko maloom hi...:angle

[QUOTE=Shootingstar;279577]harmain ka to pata nahi per jis tarha woh "shareefain" ka saath dety aur khidmat kerty hain woh sab ko maloom hi...:angle[/QUOTE]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=purple]ab to shayad Shehnshah-e-Saudia aur Ameer-ul-Momineen-o-sharifain ki "rishtay dari" bhi hay. Is it? :thinking[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800080]Bahar'hal, Jahan America directly influence nai kar sakta, wahan Saudis se kaam leta hay. Aur ham to waisay bhi Saudi Farma'Nava ki aqeedat mein kuch nahi bol saktay.:mad:[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[quote=unsolved_mystery;279582][font=comic sans ms][size=3][color=purple]ab to shayad shehnshah-e-saudia aur ameer-ul-momineen-o-sharifain ki "rishtay dari" bhi hay. Is it? :thinking[/color][/size][/font]
[font=comic sans ms][size=3][color=#800080]bahar'hal, jahan america directly influence nai kar sakta, wahan saudis se kaam leta hay. Aur ham to waisay bhi saudi farma'nava ki aqeedat mein kuch nahi bol saktay.:mad:[/color][/size][/font][/quote]

saudis b to america ke ghulam hain
maalik apne ghulam ko jo khukam dai, gulam ne kon sa inkaar krni hoti hai

[B]Assalamulaikum,[/B]
[B]Ambiguity still exists among the masses and compatriots of Pak even after two days of Davis release, as who did it??[/B]
[B]ISI?[/B]
[B]Punjab Govt?[/B]
[B]Federal Govt?[/B]
[B]Judiciary?[/B]
[B]Heirs?[/B]
[B]CIA?[/B]
[B]Pak Army?[/B]

[B]Having a glimpse of the 48 days imprisonment of Davis, activities of highest officials of America(Obama, john kerry, hiliary etc) visits, and harsh words of his immunity,,we knew it earlier that we would not be able to see Davis hanging in lahore.[/B]
[B]But all of a sudden when it occured it really hurt the sentiments of Pakistani masses.[/B]
[B]ISI, CIA, Punjab and Federal Govt and army all have played their roles to make Davis acquital possible and to Make the MASTERS of washington happy forever...! and yesterday america payed her heartfelt thanks in the morph of DRONE ATTACK that took 41lives.[/B]

[B]For instance we accept that heirs of deceased after accepting blood money let Davis go...But the terrorism he practiced?? Spying?? Fasaad-Fil-Arzh?? Arms?? [/B]

[B]Here we should condemn the decree of Judge,, because:[/B]

[B]He was an anti-state element who openly killed 2 men with a gun without license? [/B]
[B]What role was played by the prosecutor?? Why did they leave croos questioning(JARAH) on Davis??[/B]
[B]why did the judge decide the case of Arms 13/E only after payment of 30000? Read the Crpc, in Arms cases 5 years imprisonment is mandatory if Evidences are strong??[/B]
[B]etc[/B]

[B]To sum up again the lickers of W.D.C proved themselves to be the best friends of them. All Our Sovereignity is sold, just by few dollars.[/B]

[B]Regards[/B]

[QUOTE=Silent Spectator;279655][B]Assalamulaikum,[/B]
[B]Ambiguity still exists among the masses and compatriots of Pak even after two days of Davis release, as who did it??[/B]
[B]ISI?[/B]
[B]Punjab Govt?[/B]
[B]Federal Govt?[/B]
[B]Judiciary?[/B]
[B]Heirs?[/B]
[B]CIA?[/B]
[B]Pak Army?[/B]
[/QUOTE]


[B]These all are players of the game and don't forget MQM n ANP.

Altaf hussain wont separate ways with Govt on this issue since we all are just champions of words.
[/B]

[QUOTE=Maha Khan;279558]According to Express newspaper"faizan ki baiwa ne is lie suicide commit ki kyun k usko lgta tha k us k in laws paise le lain ge"...:mad:
Aaj ka newspaper dekh lain,neighbours ne kha hai k 8 days se ghar walun ki activities ajeeb si thein,kisi se baat tk nhi ker rhe the and luggage shift ker rhe the...ye kaisa pressure hai?jub wife k sucide kerne p aik bhai ka statement aya"Insaaf na mila to hum sub suicide ker lain ge"..ab wohi bhai 75 lakh and America ka visa le k chup ho gya....agr ziada pressure tha to atleast wohi bhai sucide commit kerne ki try ker laita..but aise bikta na.be logical.
Regards[/QUOTE]

[U][B]LAHORE: Initial media reports surrounding the release of Raymond Davis suggest that the families of the victims killed in the Lahore shooting have left the country on a second plane. Their neighbours say they haven’t seen the families in two days and that their homes are empty and locked.

Sources say an aircraft carrying more than 10 people left Lahore airport and is headed to Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan. They also say the families have been given Green Cards and homes in New York state and Washington DC.[/B][/U]

[url=http://tribune.com.pk/story/133373/raymond-davis-saga-victims-families-leave-country-say-sources/]Raymond Davis saga: Victims’ families leave country say sources – The Express Tribune[/url]

[B][U]Raymond Davis' release paves way for Zardari's visit to US [/U][/B]

[B]The resolution of the case of CIA contractor Raymond Davis has paved the way for Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari's visit to the US and both countries have started working on dates and the agenda for the trip, officials said on Friday.

The US called off a trilateral meeting with Pakistan and Afghanistan after Davis was arrested in Lahore in January for shooting and killing two men.

The development also resulted in a delay in Zardari's planned visit to the US sometime early this month.

Davis was pardoned and freed by a Pakistani court this week after the families of the two men he killed agreed to a "blood money" deal of over two million dollars under Islamic laws.

Officials said Zardari is likely to visit the US next month.

The US administration has asked Pakistan to start working on the date and agenda of the visit.

Presidential spokesman Farhatullah Babar said that the foreign office had begun working on Zardari's visit to the US. "However, no date has been finalised as yet," he said.

Responding to a question, Babar said: "The president's visit to the US was not postponed but rescheduled owing to the Davis issue."

Officials and leaders of the ruling Pakistan PPP said Zardari's visit would assume greater importance in the wake of the standoff over Davis.

"Both the countries are redefining their relations and it will be up to President Zardari how he pleads Pakistan's case," a PPP leader said.

The agenda of the president's visit will be finalised in consultation with the military top brass, the PPP leader said.

Leading political analyst Rasool Bakhsh Raees said the US had learnt a lesson from the issue of Davis and it should now revisit its policy of sending security contractors to other countries.

He said almost all "thorny" issues between the two sides had been addressed during the standoff over Davis.

Raees said the president's upcoming visit to the US meant relations between Pakistan and the US were back on track.

"Both countries need each other, especially for the war on terror," he added.

[/B]

[QUOTE=unsolved_Mystery;279569][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=purple]America could have done anything and gone beyond any limits to get her Agent back. We must accept this bitter reality (though with shame) that we are not in the position to bristle up against the US. The matter was of grave nature, and the heirs of the slain people had to take witche's brew in every state. Kamran has rightly pointed out that Our Foreign Office did not solidify his immunity, as all of us were expecting. This is positive. They even did not hand him over to US openly, another positive. Rishzzz has also rightly criticised HONOURABLE CHIEF JUSTICE OF PAKISTAN, INSAAF KA DEVTA in Pakistan. Why did he not plunged into it? We could have suspended the supply lines or utilized other possible options to stop the US from pressurizing Pakistan, but its long term repercaussions might have been unfavourable for pakistan. They have got the quality to bow down when they have their interest and then come up with a destructive force when their ends are acheived. It is good that the issued has been resolved now amicably.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=purple]Mr.Kiyani has shown concern over the recent drone attack. He should take it now very seriously.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]

I agree with you completely. Some people get excited and does not realize reality but its good to know some people are able to see things properly and have some analytical skills :P

@ Invincible
[B]Look at the very beauty of facts and timings matching....[/B]

[COLOR=SeaGreen][B]Nawaz Sharif issues circular in news regarding his Heart treatment just at the time when Raymond got free from the court
Shahbaz Sharif suddenly went out the day to London to show concern for health of his brother. I wonder why he informed CM just few hours before Davis judgment.
Both successfully hid themself behind the Curtain so that media doesn't attack them. Wow Great Planning. Mr. Parvez Rasheed (The spokesman of Punjab Govt) couldn't really defend a single blame on PML N, You watch out his attitude....He said Shabaz Sharif ne Davis ko pakra tha or jail me daal k faisla adalat ko karne ka ikhtiar diya, 2 dafa americans ki nawaz se mulaqat hui 2no dafa hum ne unko court he faisla karegi yehi message diya. But when he was asked that when he got immediately free why didnt Prosecutor argue or impart statements. He said he is from Jamat e Islami he is playing politics.......When asked in minutes of wind blow Davis got out of Lahore Airport from Court, tab aap kahan thay, Parvez Rasheed kehta HUM KIYA KARTE HAMARY HATH BANDAY HUVE THAY YEH TOU FOUJ OR FEDERAL govt ne kar diya......My God!!!! The Biggest Drama on earth is being performed these days by PML N......[/B][/COLOR]

[COLOR=blue][B][COLOR=Blue]COAS Gen Kayani who never criticized Drone attacks, just criticized it only to show concern to the public that Army is protecting people of pakistan so that by his said statement he could save army from public anger or attack as their role in Davis case is not hidden any more.

CJP Iftikhar ch. jinhon ne pichlay 2 saal se thaika liya huva hai public ka n he is doing popular justice, he normally is too active that he even sometimes took Suo Moto on the move by any Pvt News Channel about some poor people happening any wrong to them. Now in this big case CJP was blind?????? Didn't he have guts to argue American supremacy. CJ High Court today also denied to hear the petition regarding Davis Case...This was our judicial activism.[/COLOR][/B][/COLOR]

[B][COLOR=Green]Imran Khan rightly said in a protest rally today " Zardari tou Daku hai tou wo kaam bhi wese he karta hai sb ko pata hai mujhe in shareefon ki samajh nahin aati uper se kuch hain or andar se kuch" n when he couldnt stop his words he simply roared with a shriek " LAAAAANAT hai shareefon pe"........[/COLOR][/B]
[B][I][U]
We all Pakistanis have the same feeling for this case. I don't know people when they enter into Parliament, JUDICIAL, Army or ISI offices they get their pakistani heart transplanted with a neutral heart which has no feelings or association.... [/U][/I][/B]

Sad & Hard Facts!
 

I don't know If its just me that is stupid or is it everyone else .. I fail to Understand why Is the media and people of Pakistan not analyzing a simple aspect of Raymond davis case. People are saying things like "Oh why did gov helped him" and "oh, damn, the family took money" and they are not even considering something that's more important. Everyone now knows (Even the Americans agree) that Raymond was a Spy i.e CIA Agent. The Killings that he did should have been considered later but first he should have been dealt with as a spy. The punishment for a spy is death sentence (Correct me If I'm wrong) but I think that's the punishment for a spy .. Now, Raymond payed Diaat or whatever and was released BUT WHY DO PEOPLE FAIL TO UNDERSTAND THAT WITH DIAAT HE CAN GET AWAY WITH THE KILLINGS HE DID AND NOT FROM THE CHARGES OF BEING A SPY !!!! WHAT ABOUT THAT ?? No one on media and/or Gov or opposition even Raised this point .. killing is a very small thing as compared to what he was doing here i.e spying. Will they let go our spy If ever caught? NEVER .. so this is very funny, I don't think the political Opposition is so stupid not to consider this point which makes me think they were taken in confidence and as for the gov, everyone knows they were taken into confidence ..


Furthermore, people say that Gov of pakistan payed the blood money. I don't know if that's true or not but if that's true then what the hell is this? People are dying of hunger in our country, they don't get money and a spy will get money now to be freed? I mean what kind of logic is this .. the gov is paying someone who was working against our country and who killed people in our country?

Thirdly, The Most Important thing .. When someone even causes a small harm to the united states of America or other sovereign countries, they take some practical action .. look at what USA did to release their spy .. It was just 1 person .. just 1, and look at their efforts n see what happens with us .. Drone kills dozens of people and our gov requests for an "APOLOGY" .. This is not the 1st time and not the last time .. it happens again and again and the gov goes like "We demand an explanation and apology" so, even if they agree and apologize, will that do justice with people that were killed and their families? And Look at our COAS, what is he doing? Only saying "OH IT IS TO BE CONDEMNED" what is this? If pakistani army mistakenly drops a bomb in new york and it kills only 1 man, do you think they will let you go? lol and our leaders and army and everyone just say "OH IT IS VERY BAD" and "OH we condemn it" and "OH PLZ APOLOGIZE" what is this? sometimes I think that are we not CAPABLE of replying them boldly (i.e we don't have enough resources) or what is going on ..

Also, I heard that Imran khan has initialized a civil-nafarmani tehrik .. I don't know how well will it go but it might be fruitful if everyone goes for it but I know that everyone will not go for it and it will be forgotten within few days or weeks ..

In the last, I'd like to ask that can't we do anything about it? Just because our Army, Chief Justice & Gov isn't moving a finger and is giving our image of pakistan as cowards, we cannot also sit idle and criticize people .. we must do something but I don't know what should we do .. What do you guys think?

Received with thanks from America
 

America is thankful to Pakistan on release of their bully and yesterday we received the first installment of thanks from them in the shape of six missiles on our inoccent brothers. 44 of them passed away in this celebration of joy by the Americans. God damn our rulers, God damn our General. Without any doubt they all will be dragged to the court of justice if not here in the next world Allah definitely is the best of the just providers.

Regards,

[QUOTE=rishzzz;279731]@ Invincible
[B]Look at the very beauty of facts and timings matching....[/B]

[COLOR=SeaGreen][B]Nawaz Sharif issues circular in news regarding his Heart treatment just at the time when Raymond got free from the court
Shahbaz Sharif suddenly went out the day to London to show concern for health of his brother. I wonder why he informed CM just few hours before Davis judgment.
Both successfully hid themself behind the Curtain so that media doesn't attack them. Wow Great Planning. Mr. Parvez Rasheed (The spokesman of Punjab Govt) couldn't really defend a single blame on PML N, You watch out his attitude....He said Shabaz Sharif ne Davis ko pakra tha or jail me daal k faisla adalat ko karne ka ikhtiar diya, 2 dafa americans ki nawaz se mulaqat hui 2no dafa hum ne unko court he faisla karegi yehi message diya. But when he was asked that when he got immediately free why didnt Prosecutor argue or impart statements. He said he is from Jamat e Islami he is playing politics.......When asked in minutes of wind blow Davis got out of Lahore Airport from Court, tab aap kahan thay, Parvez Rasheed kehta HUM KIYA KARTE HAMARY HATH BANDAY HUVE THAY YEH TOU FOUJ OR FEDERAL govt ne kar diya......My God!!!! The Biggest Drama on earth is being performed these days by PML N......[/B][/COLOR]

[COLOR=blue][B][COLOR=Blue]COAS Gen Kayani who never criticized Drone attacks, just criticized it only to show concern to the public that Army is protecting people of pakistan so that by his said statement he could save army from public anger or attack as their role in Davis case is not hidden any more.

CJP Iftikhar ch. jinhon ne pichlay 2 saal se thaika liya huva hai public ka n he is doing popular justice, he normally is too active that he even sometimes took Suo Moto on the move by any Pvt News Channel about some poor people happening any wrong to them. Now in this big case CJP was blind?????? Didn't he have guts to argue American supremacy. CJ High Court today also denied to hear the petition regarding Davis Case...This was our judicial activism.[/COLOR][/B][/COLOR]

[B][COLOR=Green]Imran Khan rightly said in a protest rally today " Zardari tou Daku hai tou wo kaam bhi wese he karta hai sb ko pata hai mujhe in shareefon ki samajh nahin aati uper se kuch hain or andar se kuch" n when he couldnt stop his words he simply roared with a shriek " LAAAAANAT hai shareefon pe"........[/COLOR][/B]
[B][I][U]
We all Pakistanis have the same feeling for this case. I don't know people when they enter into Parliament, JUDICIAL, Army or ISI offices they get their pakistani heart transplanted with a neutral heart which has no feelings or association.... [/U][/I][/B][/QUOTE]

it was pre decided that is why most journalist did not write column on it as javaid Chaudry wrote column about this and now his column was true.
We can not blame a single person What President and Gillani are doing They are the President and prime minister of this country. But i think Mian brothers are the President and Prime minister of Punjab.
We are divided in Groups. Sindh may MQM or PPP ki Hakomat. Punjab may ML(N) ki Hakomaat etc.
Now what President and PM are doing? President and PM of Pakistan i do not think so. because Punjab become another Pakistan where government is ruled by ML(N) not by PM and President

Government k sath sath heirs bhi is may involve hain Zabardasti Sign karwaye wah kia jawab dia. Tab protest ku nahi kia un logon nau tab media ko ku nahi bulaya jab sign ho chukay that or wo release ho chuka tha tab hi kahna tha zabardasti sign karwaye.
Paisy aty kis ko dukhty hain unho nay yehi soacha k Raymond ko saza mil jye tu humain kia milna hai is say acha paisy lay lo jany waly tu chaly jaty hain akhir kitny din un k peechay roya ja sakty zindagi tu paisy say chalni hai so they decided to take money

[B]Now we all know the role played by every one equally. Though ISI n Army were the powerful players. But Role was evident by everybody, be it PPP, PML,ANP,MQM.....or Judiciary.....All were equally involved and are accountable.
There is nobody else from whom we can ask for accountablity or help in this case.
The only last solution is Public. If common people come out on roads and show their concern then definitely all these stakeholders will be forced to shake their intentions......or corrupt confidence....[/B]

Regards

Agree with you all the people are involved in this. Sab kuch sab ki marzi say howa. Even heirs ki marzi say bhi

or common sense yehi kahti hai k un say zabardasti sign nahi karwaye gye Paisa daikh k sab kuch aram say ho jata hai ab dhondhora petnay ka kia fayda k zabardasti sign karwaye
As MAHA KAHN said k tab brother nay suicide karny ki koshish ku nahi ki

[QUOTE=;][/QUOTE]
[B]wELL YOU MAY BE RIGHT AND IT MIGHT BE THE CASE AS YOU ARE SAYING THAT PEOPLE may have taken the money......
But its not the case actually which is tragedy. Tragedy is that he was a state criminal and he got protection from state.
[COLOR="Green"]Diyyat ka case is criminal pe lag he nahi sakta tha. According to advocate Akram Sheikh, a famous jurist.[/COLOR]
he said [COLOR="Blue"]"Diyyat or qiyas k cases pehle tou kabhi bhi itni jaldi hotay he nahin endly yeh criminal diyyat kay andar ata he nahin tha q k diyyat k andar criminal wo ata hai jo just victim ki family ko accountable ho yahan yeh dandanata mujrim tha jo sb instruments, maps, machineries, unlicensed weapons use kar raha tha Spying k liye tou criminal ka scope bohat wide hojata hai chahay family kiya pura muhallla bhi usay maaf kar deta State agar State criminal declare kar de tou he in no position could have got free"[/COLOR] So, this is the case....Leave the Family even if they have taken money. It was State whcih was responsible. [/B]

i am going to be a part of protests actively.going to islamabad for tomorrowz protest would also be a good option.they killed our 41 innocent brothers and sisterz as a reward for what we did for them.is there any protest taking place in lahore?

[QUOTE=rishzzz;279757][B]wELL YOU MAY BE RIGHT AND IT MIGHT BE THE CASE AS YOU ARE SAYING THAT PEOPLE may have taken the money......
But its not the case actually which is tragedy. Tragedy is that he was a state criminal and he got protection from state.
[COLOR="Green"]Diyyat ka case is criminal pe lag he nahi sakta tha. According to advocate Akram Sheikh, a famous jurist.[/COLOR]
he said [COLOR="Blue"]"Diyyat or qiyas k cases pehle tou kabhi bhi itni jaldi hotay he nahin endly yeh criminal diyyat kay andar ata he nahin tha q k diyyat k andar criminal wo ata hai jo just victim ki family ko accountable ho yahan yeh dandanata mujrim tha jo sb instruments, maps, machineries, unlicensed weapons use kar raha tha Spying k liye tou criminal ka scope bohat wide hojata hai chahay family kiya pura muhallla bhi usay maaf kar deta State agar State criminal declare kar de tou he in no position could have got free"[/COLOR] So, this is the case....Leave the Family even if they have taken money. It was State whcih was responsible. [/B][/QUOTE]
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no wonder the country once again is a laughingstock the world over.it is only because we are no longer a rulebased,law abiding independent and sovereign country.we do not take our own decisions.in the process the nation emotionally abused,see not what is and see what is not.Again a reflection of shameful legacy of servitude.:ohmy:

[QUOTE=mjkhan;279760]i am going to be a part of protests actively.going to islamabad for tomorrowz protest would also be a good option.they killed our 41 innocent brothers and sisterz as a reward for what we did for them.is there any protest taking place in lahore?[/QUOTE]

i am against the protest ku k hamari awan jahil hai is mamly may

ok! according to my point dis matter is sorted out by the ISLAMIC LAW and decision is given by your court. So there is no matter to discuss it further and i think state cant interfare in this because when their parents or family pardoned him then there is nothing left, either he is still here or not. As for as govt is concerned, govt played its part so smartly. Masla b islmic law k accoring aur apnay country law k according solve ho gya aur america ko b khush kar diya sath main CIA b aur ISI b! so everyone now shud nt hav words to say anything alse!

chek out ths!
 

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[QUOTE=Invincible;279508][B]

2. To break Strategic ties with USA on war on terror and face the music.
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What music are North Korea and Iran are facing?

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=purple]Jab ham apnay country se sincere ho jayein gay, everything will be okay. We need two things at the earliest - Political and economical stability. hamain aaj se ye ehd karna hoga k aj se ham mein se koi "Peepla" (PPPP) nahi, koi "noon-ligi" nahi, koi Punjabi, balochi, sindhi, mohajir nahi, aur aaj k baad jab bhi elections hon gay, ham kuch hours beth kar Candidates ki performance or us kay character ka jaiza lain gay or phir Vote dain gay Merit per. Then we may expect a Change.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800080]To call the people on roads for protest will be more damaging. Our illiterate people do not know how to protest. Rather, political parties will misutilize it for their vested motives.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800080]We must start educating people through any possible channel in every possible way. Education ki boht zaroorat hay.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800080]We can't say "good-bye" to America immediately. All the stakeholders will have to come on table, devise effective long lasting stragegies on all internal and external issues.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800080]The nation will have to change itself.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[QUOTE=ghulammujtaba86;279822]What music are North Korea and Iran are facing?[/QUOTE]
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Are they under IMF or their upper class is Tax chor?[/B]

@UNSOLVED MYSTERY
[B][I][U] Jab ham apnay country se sincere ho jayein gay, everything will be okay[/U][/I][/B] >>yes ds iz true, pr bht se log jub asi post pr agaty hn k wo mulk k liye kuch bhter kr sakn to wo khud us currpt system ka hissa banjaty hn....
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aur aaj k baad jab bhi elections hon gay, ham kuch hours beth kar Candidates ki performance or us kay character ka jaiza lain gay or phir Vote dain gay Merit per. Then we may expect a Change[/U][/I][/B].
>> sary ek he khate k mulee hoty hn. it iz hard to find honesty, wel educated etc in one person

our govt shoud have to enforce islamic law.. we hav completly forgate the Pakistan ideology

[FONT="Century Gothic"]This is the result of selecting wrong people by wasting your *Precious* votes !!

[B]Allah us waqt tak kisi Qoam ki halat nahei'n badalta Jab tak wo Khud Na Chahe !![/B]

So, no use of blaming any body !:huh:[/FONT]

[QUOTE=Mahvish Shahid;279868][FONT="Century Gothic"]This is the result of selecting wrong people by wasting your *Precious* votes !!
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[B]Rite people election mein contest kartay hain? I dont think so.
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[QUOTE=Invincible;279872][B]Rite people election mein contest kartay hain? I dont think so.
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But there is always a better choice :)
Vote to dalnay jayain