US bill seeks Balochistan sovereignty

[Foucault]

WASHINGTON: Three US lawmakers introduced a resolution in the House of Representatives on Friday, stating that the Baloch nation has a historic right to self-determination.

Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, a California Republican, was the motivator behind this resolution, which notes that Balochistan is currently divided between Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan with no sovereign rights of its own.

The resolution also notes that in Pakistan, the Baloch people are subjected to violence and extrajudicial killing.

The Baloch people “have the right to self-determination and to their own sovereign country; and they should be afforded the opportunity to choose their own status”, says the resolution.

“The Baloch, like other nations of people, have an innate right to self-determination,” said Congressman Rohrabacher while defending the resolution. “The political and ethnic discrimination they suffer is tragic and made more so because America is financing and selling arms to their oppressors in Islamabad.”

The resolution states that historically Balochistan was an independently governed entity known as the Baloch Khanate of Kalat which came to an end after invasions from both British and Persian armies. An attempt to regain independence in 1947 was crushed by Pakistan.

“Today the Balochistan province of Pakistan is rich in natural resources but has been subjugated and exploited by Punjabi and Pashtun elites in Islamabad, leaving Balochistan the country’s poorest province,” the movers note.

Congressman Louie Gohmert, a Texas Republican, and Steve King, an Iowa Republican, have also signed on as original co-sponsors of the bill. Republican Rohrabacher is Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations. He created uproar in Pakistan last week when he held the first-ever exclusive hearing on human rights violations in Balochistan.

Pakistan called the hearing interference in its internal affairs while Baloch nationalists welcomed it as a much-needed move which they said could relieve their sufferings and ultimately lead to their freedom.

The US State Department, however, distanced itself from the hearing, saying that it recognised Balochistan as part of the Pakistani state.

[mano g]

it's the direct and open interference of US in our internal affairs.It should not be ignored this time as it's a threat to our sovereignty.Baluchistan is already facing severe problems due to internal mismanagement and external involvement and exploitation.

[mukt]

And what's wrong with their proposal and/or demand of a sovereign Baluchistan? Emotional comments will not be entertained, something rational would be Interesting.

[mano g]

when it comes to sovereignty, emotions of patriotism can be ignored or put aside, what's rational in it?does US ever allow anyone to interfere in their internal state affairs?don't they have any other agenda to discuss in their sessions?have you ever thought that why they are very much interested in our country?all these efforts are to disintegrate our country, nothing else.Baluchistan situation is deteriorated due to these factors along with our own policy loop holes, rationality is a must in every case, but not at the stake of our national interest, accepting dictation on our internal matters can't be accepted!even foreign office has condemn it, but it might not be a serious issue for some of the people.

[Umm e Farwa]

And what's wrong with their proposal and/or demand of a sovereign Baluchistan? Emotional comments will not be entertained, something rational would be Interesting.
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@ mukt :

if you think that there is no wrong in their proposal of a soveriegn balouchistan . Than i think drone attacks are also justified . they must be given medals for killing our people on our land .
Then there is nothing wrong in the SO CALLED US LED WAR AGAINST TERRORISOM in Pakistan .Then There was nothing wrong when they crossed our borders and created the BIL LADEN drama on our land .
And surely there must be nothing wrong when the UN forces attacked the Silala check post …just recently ..

[shaemureed]

deliberatelly, im going to share the main causes of Balochistan problem and why US is trying to intervene in Pakistan's internel affairs?
Baloch nation is composed of different progenies. Some of triebs are decendets of old "sammi" who were orignal inhabitants of this reigon. Some tribes are frm "dravidians" who speake brohi which is calld to be drived frm dravidain. And sme are arabs and sme are frm aaryans. . . . In 1440 the "Meero" eastblished the balochi state in surab(70 km west to kalalat city) and then its name was changed Balochistan. This was the era when mughals were trying to invade india. . . Sme intellctuals critise on Chakkar ( ruler of east balochistan) had 60 thousands belligerent army as cmpare to Babars 40 thousands. Why he did'nt invade india? Once he said "I ve more powerfull army than mughals but Im aware this phenomeno that no army can subjugate any nation for a long time" due to this apprehension,it is possible that his ambitions were to save this territory for ever. His sagness workd in becz mughals have no territory now a days inveding india they merged in indian society.. After that the capital shifted to kalat and its territory expanded in reign of noori nasir khan who is called the "Akbar" of balochistan cosolidated it with preveiling the amalgamated constitution having trible,islamic,arabic and old persian law. . . In 1839 the Khan of kalat khan mehrb kahn died fighting with british forces. And Balochistan became part of Brtish empire. Britans cntinud ruling it whth preveling system. Dividing it sarawan and jhalawan. . Under the khanate.after whthdral of Britan Balochistan became an independant state (we call Balochis uneducated and ignorat) they made their constitution within six months and forced in balochistan on the on the the other hand m leagis who stdid in oxford gave us constitutiö after 35 years. . . After partiton balochistan remain as an independant state with two chambers "darul awan" and "darul umra" Mohmmak ali jinnah asked the khan to anex balochistan whth pakistan in reply khan said he is not only master of destiny of Bloch, he will decide after consensus. A bill of anexation was presentd but was rejectd by majority.
Cuses of anexation with pakistan. . . .
1. Pakistan strartd illegal means to anex it wht her. He bought two states of kharan and lasbela frm their waalis.
Now the khan was btw devil and deep sea.
2. Khan of kalat was orthodox muslim and tried to cönvece member of both with the name of islam.
3. He argued that he ve seen Mohmmad (P.B.U.H) who called him to anex it with pakistan.
After this dream "dreams of balochis ended with smoke.
Before decision of khan pakistan army marched to kalat and first martyr of kalalt state laid his life in shahi mosque.
Next day khan anounced to anex it with pakistan but his eldr brothes Abdul karem khan with members of houses declared balochistan occupid and revolted.
On that time musharraf's operation was not going on!

[Umm e Farwa]

@shaemureed

Nice information please mention the reference .
That is quiet understandable that it was a sovereign state before it annexed with Pakistan . And the course of history suggest rightly that the province have been neglected and deprived of its rights , But this deprivation somehow relates quiet much to their own cultural system they follow . Public is under the SARDAR so definitely the follow their own rules . Nobody dare defy their orders . I am not suggesting that the govt of Pakistan is innocent .
They have the equal part in the Baluchistan,s agony . for not taking the right steps at the right time .Parliament should now take up this serious matter rather than playing games with the petty issues.

But at the same time it remains an internal issue . US has no right to pass such resolutions .

[shaemureed]

Pakistan who has made in the name of islam call back Karim khan by the name of Quran and 1st revolt ended.
Second revolt startd in 1958 by Noroz khan who was cheif of jahalawan the westren Balochistan but again he was brought down in name of Quran by muslim pakistan and send him with his 5 sons and hanged infront of him the second phase ended.
One the start of 20th century the Russia ex(USSR) became socialist republic and according to stalin's crux wise revolution he startd using baloch nationlist specially The BSO (Baloch studnts orgnisation) having torch sighn on their flag wich was on flag of "manshwaiks" party brought revolution. USSR aspired to hold-on the gatway to warm waters throught arabian sea. This 3rd revolt had 2 causes.
1. The USSR's intrusion.
2.break up of Provisonal govt of nationalists accusing the drama of arms supplying through Iraqi embessy. This was proved fake after investigation.
Some of nationalist fled away to afghanistan and some(who used by ussr) went to Moscow, after break down of soveit union the thirt revolt ended in smoke.
4th revolt startded in 2001 after return of old active nationlist leader Nawb khair Bakhsh marri. After killing of Nawab akbar bugti on 28 may 2006 the demostrations turned into voilence. The armed groups (BLA.BLF.BRA) Balochistan ,libration,republican army etc reinvigorant theirselves and startd ambustion on security forces,state assets etc. In this era they continud to make defenders and supporters on surface.
Many political leaders like Mir Balach, Ghulam Mohd were abductd and killed by Frontier Corps and intelegence agnencies this kill and dump polices of state orgnisation turned the Balochistan into a conflagrated battle ground. This bring the international media and human rights on their scope. .
This was the historical background of Balochistan problem, there are social, educatiöal,counter-repraisal tactics who compeled the US and other orgnisation to intervene in Our internel affairs.

U are righ farwa, But my father was a civil servent ive been in most of districts.
Makran division is 38 percent of Balochistan and there is not 1 tribal sardar. They are very intellegent and hardworking. They are not anti-devolepment and they want education but nothing had been done by state to improve their skills.
1 thing I want to mention there are 3 sardars who are anti-state rest of 72 sardars are pro-state and part of National and provecial assemblies. . .u can't seen any devolepment activity in their areas . . .and sardar Attaulah who is called anti state have "mir munir institute" run and cater by him in with latest free education. And stdnt frm this institute servining In USA, Uk, are from homes of peasants.
One thing I want to mention the Sui gas plant ise 1500 metre from "pir koh" sui gase is now availble in this era they use Wood as fuel azad kashmir which is 1900 km far frm it and using sui gas since 1971. . .they are humans we ruled them cruel as colony. What can we expect frm them?

[mukt]

Originally Posted by mano g

when it comes to sovereignty, emotions of patriotism can be ignored or put aside, what's rational in it?does US ever allow anyone to interfere in their internal state affairs?don't they have any other agenda to discuss in their sessions?have you ever thought that why they are very much interested in our country?all these efforts are to disintegrate our country, nothing else.Baluchistan situation is deteriorated due to these factors along with our own policy loop holes, rationality is a must in every case, but not at the stake of our national interest, accepting dictation on our internal matters can't be accepted!even foreign office has condemn it, but it might not be a serious issue for some of the people.

How do you know that they have no other issues and/or agendas to discuss? Of course they discuss many different agendas and/or issues, this was just one of the issue.

Secondly, It does not matter if someone allows interference or not.. all that matters is how you handle that interference and if that interference makes sense.

Thirdly, What happened with bangladesh? We gave them freedom when they asked for it, right? Oh no.. wait a minute.. They snatched it when they wanted it, And were we able to defend it? No. Why? No answer

When kashmir talks of independence we all start with our slogans and all and talk of freedom of kashmir, If you want to give freedom to kashmir because the people of kashmir wants it, why don't you give it to baluchistan when the balochi people want it? Why the double standards?

Originally Posted by Umm e Farwa

And what's wrong with their proposal and/or demand of a sovereign Baluchistan? Emotional comments will not be entertained, something rational would be Interesting.
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@ mukt :

if you think that there is no wrong in their proposal of a soveriegn balouchistan . Than i think drone attacks are also justified . they must be given medals for killing our people on our land .
Then there is nothing wrong in the SO CALLED US LED WAR AGAINST TERRORISOM in Pakistan .Then There was nothing wrong when they crossed our borders and created the BIL LADEN drama on our land .
And surely there must be nothing wrong when the UN forces attacked the Silala check post …just recently ..

I never said if it's justified or not, I only asked "Why" the double standards. Secondly, do you have any Idea where drone attacks are done? Have you studied those areas or are aware of the situation there? The people there are all criminals.. The local elders are involved in kidnapping and they serve as the middle mans.. They give shelter to kidnappers, and most of the kidnapped victims are taken to those places as it's safe heaven for them.. Chars and heroin are sold openly just like you see fruits being sold in your local markets.. Why do those people allow them? This is what you call an "AZAAB" on them.. Ask anyone living in peshawar and they will tell you how CIVILIZED and how PEACEFUL the areas in question are.

Secondly, as for forces crossing and killing bin laden, How is this related to the topic? You are just trying to prove the incompetence of our army and intelligence with this, nothing else

[mjkhan]

As we all know that lobbying in U.S is a very common practice so by taking into account this factor here is my analysis.

1.)This move may have been sponsored by indian loobyists as we all know that relations between PAK and U.S are at all time low.Already both the sides have a trust deficit and such a move have finally convinced PAKI people that U.S in our biggest enemy.Mission India or Anti-PAK elements accomplished.Big time, everlasting trust deficit established between saas and bahu.


2.)On a second thought it may be that what conspiracy theorists were saying was afterall correct.U.S do want to break PAK in parts.All the moderate thinkers like Najam sethi were fools to develop a thinking that we cannot survive without U.S,U.S is super power etc etc.we should have followed the conventional school of thought i.e hatred and no co-opertaion with U.S.

3.)An interesting point that we may be missing here is that some 15 days back i read in the news "PAK supports Russian point of view on Strait of Hormuz".That was like a bang bang for me.It signalled U.S "Beware,Uncle Sam we have the option to fall in Russias Lap if the things kept on going how they are going at the moment".Plus keep in mind the supply blockade of NATO and evacuation of the military base form Balochistan and restriction in visas to U.S security personnels etc.Icing on the cake was Iranz president recent visit to PAK.So the point i would like to make here is that in response to all these moves U.S have to come with something really big and what can be a good blackmailer signal there can be other than the issue of balochistan.It is just that U.S wants PAK to get back on track of slavery and G Hazoori and everything will be fine again.

Whatsoever may be the reason of the move one thing that we should realise is that with the movement of resolution in the U.S parliament now this issue has gained an international attention and now PAK should take this issue seriously because personally i am afraid because of the push and pull theory of Najam sethi which is best suited to the present scenario of Balochistan.

One thing that we should remember is that this resolution has been presented by three U.S parliamentarians.It is same like Maulana fazal ur rehman,Qazi Hussain ahmad and liaquat baloch addressing muslim ummah "amrica alam e islam ka sab sa bara dushman hai,muslamano jihad k liye uth kharey ho(ta k hamara halwa poori chalta rahey)".So the point is that how U.S have some critics here likewise we have also some critics in U.S.It is no big deal if they think of us in this manner.Afterall we also do the same to them.It is not the official version of U.S standing on Balochistan issue.

Last thing i would lik to add is that U.S is such a mean super powe,really hate her.Our intersts are getting against each other to such an extent that it may not be long that we may be open enemies like PAK-india because of the clash in interests.It is the time for us to look towards China-Iran-Russia combination(dont blame me,we can not be self reliant for another say at least ten years to the least) because by this resolution U.S have left such a mark of suspicion that will never be washed away easily.