Pakhtunistan
 

Akram Durrani has announced that they are gonna change the name of NWFP to Pakhtunistan. Are we moving towards properity or we are giving airs to ethnic voilence? Whatever the case may be, we need to be optimistic that this sort of amendements won't have any negative impact upon the amiable relatoins among the provinces of Pakistan.

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"Akram Durrani has announced that they are gonna change the name of NWFP to Pakhtunistan. Are we moving towards properity or we are giving airs to ethnic voilence? Whatever the case may be, we need to be optimistic that this sort of amendements won't have any negative impact upon the amiable relatoins among the provinces of Pakistan."

Although,I don't get what is exactly conveyed by words 'properity','ethnic violence',n 'amendments' in the quoted sentens,but i do think that there's nothn wrong in changing the name of any town,city,or province or even a country if the people dwelling therein wish so.If Punjab is for Punjabis,Baluchistan for Baluchis,Sindh for Sindhis,y not Pakhtunistan/Pashtunistan for Pakhtuns..Wheres wrong?What ethnic violence?What other province's people or federation have got to do with proposal for changing the name of a province into something tht expresses thewish of people n their genuine characteristics,say by culture n history.We shud rather welkum it wholeheartedly cuz that wd not only make Pakhtun bros happy n contented but wd also help curb ethno-based politicians' intentions to play it anymore.

Moreover, its really time that the ill-demarcated and vaguely named province created by British in 1901 as NWFP be given its real,well-demarcated character by the Govt.After all,they are not demanding a separate Pakhtunistan that v shud exxagerate the issue to ethnic violence,etc.

Regards

@londerner

I admit u are right on ur behalf. Well they may give it its real name, that is good but Pakhtoonistan is a name which has Afghanistani origin if i am not wrong. They have used it and wanted to get hold of the whole area of NWFP to construct Pakhtoonistan.

That is why this name is a threat for the country but we may avoid the threatening feature of the name by just considering this name as our Pakistani pathans.

Regards,

@IM Possible,

Thanx for admittin me right.Well,Pakhtunistan word infact has no Afghani origin or connotation as such.Its purely NWFPian,n hence Pakistani,where Pashtuns r more in number than in Afghanistan or anywhere else in the world.The word came into limelight when few revolutionary Pashtun separatists in 1940s n 50s envisioned n demanded carving out of an independnt state by combining Pakhtuns living on both sides of the Durand Line.The movemnt howevr died down wid the passage of time.

But,gone r old days.V r Mashallah a nuclearized nation now n its 2007.Nobody is gonna get hold of u,rest assured,jus cuz u changed name of ur province.Contrarily,it wd b a sane decision to concede to what majority pashtuns duly demand thru their assembly reps in order to strengthen the Federation n play down any further furore over a non-issue.

[QUOTE]But,gone r old days.V r Mashallah a nuclearized nation now n its 2007.Nobody is gonna get hold of u,rest assured,jus cuz u changed name of ur province.Contrarily,it wd b a sane decision to concede to what majority pashtuns duly demand thru their assembly reps in order to strengthen the Federation n play down any further furore over a non-issue.[/QUOTE]

Yeah i am also hoping so that is why i put frwd this issue. Hope u must have got the picture now.

Nothing changes with Name , The only solution is if people try to change them selves or the policies

[QUOTE]Nothing changes with Name , The only solution is if people try to change them selves or the policies[/QUOTE]

I agrree with u but it is up to awareness level among the people.

[QUOTE=I M Possible]I agrree with u but it is up to awareness level among the people.[/QUOTE]


If only goverment would have made more schools.:vic

[QUOTE]If only goverment would have made more schools.[/QUOTE]

Well awareness comes from education but in Pakistan it is not like this. They learn (ratta) things from education, actually they r nt gainming anything.

[QUOTE=I M Possible]Well awareness comes from education but in Pakistan it is not like this. They learn (ratta) things from education, actually they r nt gainming anything.[/QUOTE]

thats so true .

Only if the politicians focus on educating people almost 90% or even 100% problems would vanish :pipe

@IM Possible,
Quote:"Yeah i am also hoping so that is why i put frwd this issue. Hope u must have got the picture".

Well,Lets us hope if u put frwrd this issue only for tht sake.Further,I still miss which picture u sagely shed any light upon n with what velocity.I rather find myself painting the picture of the issue u threw onto here.

Quote:"Well awareness comes from education but in Pakistan it is not like this. They learn (ratta) things from education, actually they r nt gainming anything".

Yes,awareness comes thru education,but more importantly thru exploitation to the right ends of tht education by efficient media.Learning by rote has nothn to do with basic awareness.voting by hand n not by foot does not need learning by rote any everyday science or psychology.Its pure opinion building awareness thru sources of media which create awareness,for tht u need just few primary pass social activists who can read out local newspapers to illiterate folks.

Further,awareness thru Radio n TV also does not require any learning by rote.As far accessiblity,its also there in one way or the other.The need is not awareness,but social mobilization.Everybody is now fully aware who is exploiting whom?But its social activity now which is required through campaigns by sincere NGOs n efficient,true Media personnel.

Any further color on the above picture most welkum.

Regards

[QUOTE]Any further color on the above picture most welkum.[/QUOTE]

Well no colors man, just clarinfying the deepness of the issue.

At times, i believe that NWFP and other provinces are jealous of Punjab's preference in all fields that is why NWFP people want to change the name of NWFP to Pakhtunistan. It is to highlight their self just like Punjab has already highlighted its self.

Regards,

but what about the people of hazara or the locals of peshawar..............most of these people are not pushtuns but they are hindko speakers.............and to call NWFP pukhtunistan will not be right...........its got to do with our identity and our history ji...........just see what the saraiki people have to go thru, they are not punjabis and they are still crying for their own identity or province.................i totally agree that NWFP is not the right name for the province , historically as well as politically, but to name it as pukhtunistan will be a grave injustice for the indeginous people of this province, i.e the hindko speaking people.............the hazarewals have already agreed on calling this province KHYBER , and most of the pathans agree as well.............it is just a few misguided people who want to convert this topic into a political agenda for their own purposes.

@ wounded healer

Well u have highlighted some more issues but now the ball is in political parties' court, so it is up to them that how they are looking at the issue. NWFP is not that bad at all. Let us see what new name comes up.

Regards,

Salam every one,

The population of major ethnicities in Pakistan according to a book called "A history of Pakistan and its origins" on page 37 is as following:

Linguistic Group in 1984:
Punjabi Pushto Sindi Seraiki Urdu Baluchi Other

Punjab: 78.7 0.8 0.1 14.9 4.3 0.6 0.6

Sind 7.7 3.1 52.4 2.3 22.6 4.5 7.4

NWFP 1.1 68.3 0.1 4 0.8 0.1 25.6

Baluchistan 2.2 25.1 8.3 3.1 1.4 36.3 23.6

Pakistan 48.2 13.1 11.8 9.8 7.6 3 6.5


As far as population distribution goes, I think there should be no complaint for changing the name of NWFP to Pukhtoonistan or Pukhtoonkhwa. It's up to the people of NWFP and their democratically elected government to change the name or not. Names of countries in the past has changed, so why is it a big deal to change name of a province.

As far as education is concerned, I think education teaches us to live in harmony indiscriminant of race or religion. I don't think, it's a big deal to have NWFP to be named NWFP or Pukhtoonkhwa for people to realize what real issues of the province are.

Increasing academic institutions does not necessarily increase the quality of education. What we need is a better system. I think to have that system, we need to manage education at micro level. We need to establish local departments at level of towns which will then be managed by district education department and so on. This will get us to identify our educational issues at low level and make the system transparent. We can then take corrective actions and rectify these issues.

Please refer to the following table for above post:

Linguistic Group in 1984:(%)
-------------Punjabi--Pushto--Sindi--Seraiki--Urdu---Baluchi----Other

Punjab:------78.7-----00.8----00.1----14.9----04.3---00.6-----00.6

Sind:--------07.7-----03.1----52.4----02.3----22.6---04.5-----07.4

NWFP:--------01.1-----68.3---00.1----04.0----00.8---00.1-----25.6

Baluchistan:-02.2-----25.1-----08.3----03.1----01.4---36.3-----23.6

Pakistan:----48.2-----13.1-----11.8----09.8----07.6---03.0-----06.5

@enlighened

dear u are right, i accede with u. It is very true that we have more than 50% pakhtuns at NWFP ans they should have their say. It is their bith right that they should be free to say whatever comes on their minds. Hope government would be able to comprhend the seriousness of the issue and would change the name of NWFP according to the wishes of people of NWFP.

Thanks for providing data of linguil groups but tis' very obsolete. DO u have up to date data? I will appretiate if could provide it over here.

Regards,

[QUOTE=Enlightened]Please refer to the following table for above post:

Linguistic Group in 1984:(%)
-------------Punjabi--Pushto--Sindi--Seraiki--Urdu---Baluchi----Other

NWFP:--------01.1-----68.3---00.1----04.0----00.8---00.1-----25.6

[/QUOTE]

Dear Please check,

7% of people of Pakistan are Hindko speaker mostly live in HAZARA. You people knew that movement of declaring HAZARA as province is already there.

Please don't dug that much, out country/nation will bear the cost of that.


I will agree only if there is greater division throughout Pakistan and in all provinces. All the provinces should be divided into more than 3 to 10 provinces, this will provide the political solution to many disputes.

Changing the name of the province, what impact on the masses it will create?? we need to think for socio-polito-economic issues and their solutions, not just on ethnic bases.



Thanks

AA

AoA,
I hope this issue gets solved peacefully. If this is not so, I will prefer throwing this issue in cold storage as it has been for the last 60 years.
[b]Remember, this issue has been raised after (atleast) 55 years only for causing more divisions within Pakistan.[/b] We are already aware of what the US thinktanks are saying i.e. there will be no Pakistan in 2025. [b]So everyone should keep this in mind before taking any step.[/b]

Best regards,
Abdul Rehman.

[QUOTE]Changing the name of the province, what impact on the masses it will create?? we need to think for socio-polito-economic issues and their solutions, not just on ethnic bases.[/QUOTE]

yeah it will probably impact our socio economic status. It has multifarrious impacts even during it's discussions stage. Hope we would not be perplexed with this sort of issues any more. World is ameliorating at a fast pace and we are still stucked to unnecessary issues.

It is the need of the day to vasten the scope of our vision otherwise no doubt, we will be a failed state for long. It is a pity that we were developing, we are still developing and i dunno till how long we would be just tryuing to develop.

May God help us out. Amin

Regards,