Aafia is a US citizen. Her 1st husband left him for his extremist views. She then married to a close relative of the person who designed 9/11. When CIA tried to catch her in America she ran back to Pakistan which she had left long ago. I don't want to get into debate that why Musharaf handed her over to US but the point is she is not at all our Hero.
And brother tell me one thing. Why on earth would US imprison her just to finish her career? What big research or miracle in her field of study she has done? Unho ny konsa Neurosurgery ki duniya main inqalab barpa ker dia tha ??

If she is an American citizen then why now America sending her Pakistan? They only doing bargaining with Pakistan of using Afia to release their important people which held by Pakistani authorities. It is just politics for which they are using Afia nothing else than that.

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Originally Posted by sabahatbhutta [SIZE="3"] Because in this bargain Pakistan will not get any benefit. What will we get? Aafai Siddiqui? And in return we will have to exchange Shakil Afridi and many other prisoners who are in Most Wanted list of US.

Interesting Debate has kicked on.

Well, What would we lose if we hand over Dr, Afridi to USA?

If Majority matters in "Democracy" then most of the Paki People sympathizes with Dr Afia. Let the collective wisdom of NA prevail.

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sorry sis but you are very aggressive in deciding any thing on the basis of your judgment. Her sister Dr. Fouzia Siddiqui showed her Pakistani passport on TV that she is a Pakistani citizen then how could you say that she is an American citizen. Her sister did a lot for the missing persons. she is a hope for the families of missing persons and she took this initiative and due to her struggle Supreme Court of Pakistan took action against the agencies and recovered a lots of missing persons from the agencies custody.

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Dear Sister, Don't you think US won't be able to ask for prisoners from Pakistan without that agreement? dear they will definitely ask from us to handover the prisoners that have done a crime against the Americans and are found on Pakistani soil and we will have to hand them over to them. Let me give you few instances when America had taken away from us the criminals captured on Pakistani soil.....

Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, alleged master mind of 9/11 attacks was captured by ISI in 2003 in Rawalpindi and then handed over to Americans.

Aimal Kansi, the culprit involved in shooting at CIA personnel in Langlay Virginia was captured in 1997 from Dera Ghazi Khan was handed over to US...

Sheikh Ahmad Omer Saeed, the alleged mastermind behind Daniel Pearl muder was captured from Rawalpindi and was then handed over US.

Recent example is of Raymond Davis who has been handed over to US.

There was no such agreement between US and Pakistan at that time when all these incidents occurred.
So who is clever? Dear being an armchair critic is very easy then facing the real time situation. We all are always saying that Govt should do this or should do that but those who are in the line of fire know what exactly is possible in a given set of circumstances. Being an idealist is easier than being a Realist. Beside that Govt is not a single identified entity that can be held resposible for something, it is made up of Intelligence agencies, Planning bodies, strategic attributes, so calling the govt Innocent is easier said than facing the brunt of something.
Dear here you are right, we must not be emotional, Aafia is just one entity and she is not that important for the country, though being a human and a Muslim i really have affinity for her.

No dear, Shakil Afridi is not a criminal for US, if he is handed over to US, will the US prosecute him? No, because he helped US track down OBL, he is a friend of US not a criminal of US. That agreement is to exchange criminals like Raymond Davis who is being prosecuted in the US now, criminals like Khalid Sheikh Muhammad who is Us prison now, so Shakil Afridi is not to be handed over, he has done crime on Pakistani soil against Pakistan so he will be prosecuted here.

In my humble opinion Sister, there is nothing wrong in getting Aafia from the US because whatever US will want to get done, she will get it done by hook or by crook, so why not reap little profit in terms of getting that lady back here? Furthermore, Pakistan may seek criminals it wants from the US without the help of Interpol via this agreement, so in terms of conclusion this is a win win situation for Pak.

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[QUOTE=tajmeer;629006]Dear mutu Afia was not picked US officials from USA she was picked by US officials from Karachi and then deport to Afghanistan to show it that she is involved in such activities. And for your kind information she is a best scientist that's why USA imprison her to finish her career. Now they want to release her because her condition is not good and she is useless for them. Why Pakistani easily forget their heroes and those who sacrifice for this country.[/QUOTE

Dear Tajmeer, whether she was picked by USA or any other country,that does not prove her innocent.The fact is that she was an extremist and had been involved in terrorist activities.And if the US wanted to deprive Pakistan of this so-called "best scientist",they would have killed Abdus Salam long ago.

And you may consider her as hero or your favourite personality,but she is a terrorist and terrorist only.For me,heroes are Benazir Bhutto and Malala.

You are under estimating the issue of Shakil Afridi. In simple terms he is a traitor. If a country releases a person who very efficiently betrayed his home Agencies and worked enthusiastically and faithfully for an outer force and made the mess of its Foreign policy with shame from all around the world, that country will never loose anything. Right?
In other words Pakistan will be setting a precedent for all those working with CIA, RAW, MOSAD etc. to keep on working. They will be let flee at the end. Jazak Allah.

Many people in this world have dual nationality dear. I won't deny if her sister showed her Paki passport.
If her sister has done much good work for Missing persons than she is the hero not dr. Aafia.

You are right to some extent. US is might and might is right. But the point is, all people handed over to US without legal cover are at least disowned by then respective governments. A thing that is wrong mus not be protected by Law even if it is impossible to stop it. If government can not stop suicide attacks it doesn't mean they should allow them legally.

Clever is who who can smell the future consequences of a deal. I don't think by discussing these matters here we are being armchair critics. We are the future of this country. many of us would be policy makers in future In Sha Allah. So by discussing the pros and cons of an expected deal we are sharpening our skills as well as finding new ways of securing national interests in the future.
And if it is about facing the burnt of decisions and conflicts then dear it is the common people who are in front line to face them. It is you and me who will face the consequences directly or indirectly.

Committing crime on a soil is not the only criteria as Aafia didnt do any crime on our soil we will be just receiving her for her being pakistani citizen. Same will go for Shakil Afridi. US is already planning to give American nationality to Afridi and then they will honour him at their soil as per their desires.

What profit can we get by getting Aafia back?? Please elucidate.
And which prisoners shall Pakistan get form US to benefit her????
As you say US will do whatever she wants to even if there is no agreement. Do you think they will hand over any prisoner of our interest if she doesnt want to even when we have this agreement??

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The question is not what would we lose if Shakil Afrdi is handed over to US, the question is that why should he be handed over to US at all?

Brother Aimal Kansi comitted a crime against US on the US soil, he was handed over to US? Shakil Afrdi commited an act of treachery and went against Pakistani interest on Pakistani soil, why should he be handed over to US?
I do agree that getting Aafia back via that agreement is a good bargain because if we don't have that agreement, Americans will obviously get their wanted men, so we are better off if we get her back. BUT handing over Shakil Afridi doesn't make any sense at all.

I support you that she is just a single entity, if we have any other strategic objectives that are important then her then there is nothing wrong in letting her be there in US prison, but as long as there are no strategic advantages to reap and still Americans will be able to get their job done, then getting her is a good bargain, at least children will have their mother back.





Dear i wish you all the luck in your endeavors and i also wish the best of luck to us all, and may Allah show us the right path to serve the interests of our motherland, and we also have the same thinking when we actually reach the point when we have say inpolicy making rather being just a cog in the machine.
The common people are not facing the brunt of that dear, do common people meet international players and stake holders, do they represent the country? No dear, you have misunderstood the perspective. It is not about the consequences rather it is about facing the International pressures, i hope you got now. I just had one point, we must be realist, being idelaist is calm wathers mataphor but what we are facing is whirlpool centre scenario, i know you ave been an IR student so would be better acquainted with these scenarios.


The agreement is to exchange the criminals dear, Afridi is not their criminal because he has not done a crime on US soil, Aafia was captured from Karachi, means she has to be prosecuted on Pakistani soil. First Shakil Afridi is not a criminal for the US, as he did not commit a crime on their soil, here again i would reiterate my examples of Aimal KAnsi and Khalid Sheikh Muhammad who had done crime on US soil so they were handed over. so don't relate Afridi with that, you are wrongly assimilating both cases.


No benefit, just a mother and sister will be back here, we have nothing to lose in that bargain, so why not have her back!
Prisoners like Tauqeer Sadiq who may be fugitive for us and they escape to US, we can have them back.
If Tauqeer Sadiq or any other fugitive reaches the US, why won't they hand himover to us? what would they do with him/her?

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My heart literally sinks when I read such comments. You have spoken like a true politician - i'll give you that (no offence intended). Your comments have quite blatantly made Aafia Sidiqqui, nothing more than a bargaining chip. Regardless of the brass tacks of this 'political game', we need to remind ourselves that she is still a daughter of Pakistan.

But if you really so care about the 'political game', instead of a 'life' that is at stake here, i'll give you something so think about.

The socio-political scenario currently in Pakistan is based on the fact that people are increasingly losing their trust on our government at all levels to protect them and their interests. Wouldn't a decision to bring Aafia Siddiqui back boost the general trust and confidence of the people in favor of the government? Wouldn't this decision help curtail the negativity that is so widespread in our nation? People need to be assured that the government is competent enough and capable of protecting them no matter what the circumstances. Just food for thought.

Also I agree with Bilal Hassan comment stating "whatever US will want to get done, she will get it done by hook or by crook, so why not reap little profit in terms of getting that lady back here".

Shakil Afrid is criminal for whole world . I am surprised that you do not know about it .Read about him in detail

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